SP

I've got absolutely no idea just how genuine this is, but if it's true
it'll cost a fortune to keep our vehicles on the road, especially those
that have more than one...

<C&P>

My mate at DVLA has leaked a copy of a new proposal to me regarding
Gordon Browns proposed shake-up in Vehicle Exise Charges
(Car/Bike/Lorry Tax to you dullards). This is going to be scaled
totally according to power output, (BHP to all the power heads) and
will come into effect January 1st 2005. It goes thus, a 100BHP engined
vehicle owner will pay £200 per year, 200BHP £400, 400BHP £800 and so
forth (as in £2 per BHP output). This is scandalous and needs attacking
immediately. I have already writen to my MP, MEP and Gordon Brown and I
suggest you all do similar, meantime, anybody want to buy a Yamaha
Thunder Ace, a Kawasaki ZX9R, and an Aston Martin DB8?

</C&P>

Lets hope it's not going to happen, eh.

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steve auvache

SP wrote
>I've got absolutely no idea just how genuine this is, but if it's true
>it'll cost a fortune to keep our vehicles on the road, especially those
>that have more than one...
>
><C&P>
>
>My mate at DVLA has leaked a copy of a new proposal to me regarding
>Gordon Browns proposed shake-up in Vehicle Exise Charges
>(Car/Bike/Lorry Tax to you dullards). This is going to be scaled
>totally according to power output, (BHP to all the power heads) and
>will come into effect January 1st 2005. It goes thus, a 100BHP engined
>vehicle owner will pay £200 per year, 200BHP £400, 400BHP £800 and so
>forth (as in £2 per BHP output). This is scandalous and needs attacking
>immediately. I have already writen to my MP, MEP and Gordon Brown and I
>suggest you all do similar, meantime, anybody want to buy a Yamaha
>Thunder Ace, a Kawasaki ZX9R, and an Aston Martin DB8?
>
></C&P>
>
>Lets hope it's not going to happen, eh.

I don't have a problem with this. I have been a supporter of some form
of scalable VED for years and years and years and think it is a jolly
good idea.


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Jeremy

In article <00%zc.1693$Pb6.14562471@news-text.cableinet.net>, SP says...
> I've got absolutely no idea just how genuine this is, but if it's true
> it'll cost a fortune to keep our vehicles on the road, especially those
> that have more than one...
>
<snip suggestion of exhorbitant VED>
>
> Lets hope it's not going to happen, eh.
>
>

No way. That must be a joke.

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Big Tony

"SP" <Lesley@ukrm.org> wrote in message
news:00%zc.1693$Pb6.14562471@news-text.cableinet.net...
> I've got absolutely no idea just how genuine this is, but if it's true
> it'll cost a fortune to keep our vehicles on the road, especially those
> that have more than one...
>
> <C&P>
>
> My mate at DVLA has leaked a copy of a new proposal to me regarding
> Gordon Browns proposed shake-up in Vehicle Exise Charges
>

So some bloke at the DVLA has leaked a document about a highly controversial
measure to his mate who sent you this email but failed to tell to the Press
/ Opposition etc. Not really likely is it?


--
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SP

steve auvache wrote:

> SP wrote

> >> > I've got absolutely no idea just how genuine this is, but if it's
> > true it'll cost a fortune to keep our vehicles on the road,
> > especially those that have more than one...
> >
<snip>
>
> I don't have a problem with this. I have been a supporter of some
> form of scalable VED for years and years and years and think it is a
> jolly good idea.

You think it's a jolly good idea that bikes will be charged on a
similar scale to cars, in some cases more because of their bhp?

Anyway, we already have scaleable VED in existence.

I'm starting to worry about you.

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SP

Jeremy wrote:

> In article <00%zc.1693$Pb6.14562471@news-text.cableinet.net>, SP
> says...
> > I've got absolutely no idea just how genuine this is, but if it's
> > true it'll cost a fortune to keep our vehicles on the road,
> > especially those that have more than one...
> >
> <snip suggestion of exhorbitant VED>
> >
> > Lets hope it's not going to happen, eh.
> >
> >
>
> No way. That must be a joke.

It'd be ok if they scrapped the exorbitant tax rates on fuel, but
somehow I can't see that happening.

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SP

Big Tony wrote:

>
> "SP" <Lesley@ukrm.org> wrote in message
> news:00%zc.1693$Pb6.14562471@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > I've got absolutely no idea just how genuine this is, but if it's
> > true it'll cost a fortune to keep our vehicles on the road,
> > especially those that have more than one...
> >
> > <C&P>
> >
> > My mate at DVLA has leaked a copy of a new proposal to me regarding
> > Gordon Browns proposed shake-up in Vehicle Exise Charges
> >
>
> So some bloke at the DVLA has leaked a document about a highly
> controversial measure to his mate who sent you this email but failed
> to tell to the Press / Opposition etc. Not really likely is it?

It wasn't an email, it was on another forum. As I said, I've no idea
how genuine it is. HTH.

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Cane

"The Older Gentleman" <chateauSPAMKILL.murray@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in
message news:1gfhl17.1n1uux6176rv2pN%

> > <C&P>
> >
> > My mate at DVLA has leaked a copy of a new proposal to me regarding
> > Gordon Browns proposed shake-up in Vehicle Exise Charges
> > (Car/Bike/Lorry Tax to you dullards). This is going to be scaled
> > totally according to power output, (BHP to all the power heads) and
> > will come into effect January 1st 2005. It goes thus, a 100BHP
engined
> > vehicle owner will pay £200 per year, 200BHP £400, 400BHP £800 and
so
> > forth (as in £2 per BHP output). This is scandalous and needs
attacking
> > immediately. I have already writen to my MP, MEP and Gordon Brown
and I
> > suggest you all do similar, meantime, anybody want to buy a Yamaha
> > Thunder Ace, a Kawasaki ZX9R, and an Aston Martin DB8?
> >
> > </C&P>
> >
> > Lets hope it's not going to happen, eh.
>
> And where are they going to get the BHP ratings from? Government-issue
> dynos?

Nah... the back of BiKE magazine is pretty accurate

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steve auvache

SP wrote
>steve auvache wrote:
>
>> SP wrote
>
>> >> > I've got absolutely no idea just how genuine this is, but if it's
>> > true it'll cost a fortune to keep our vehicles on the road,
>> > especially those that have more than one...
>> >
><snip>
>>
>> I don't have a problem with this. I have been a supporter of some
>> form of scalable VED for years and years and years and think it is a
>> jolly good idea.
>
>You think it's a jolly good idea that bikes will be charged on a
>similar scale to cars, in some cases more because of their bhp?


Not as such no, I am one of those in favour of putting the tax on fuel
and thus taxing consumption, which is much the same thing.

However I know full well that it would be political suicide for whoever
did such a thing and therefore have, somewhat reluctantly admittedly,
to settle for being in favour of a slightly less attractive political
cop out solution.


>Anyway, we already have scaleable VED in existence.

Not in any way which properly addresses the need to reduce the burning
of fossil fuels to a level which would leave my grandchildren with a
breathable atmosphere.


>I'm starting to worry about you.

For which I am grateful.


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PDannyD

"SP" <Lesley@ukrm.org> wrote in message
news:00%zc.1693$Pb6.14562471@news-text.cableinet.net
> I've got absolutely no idea just how genuine this is, but if it's true
> it'll cost a fortune to keep our vehicles on the road, especially
> those that have more than one...
>
> <C&P>
>
> My mate at DVLA has leaked a copy of a new proposal to me regarding
> Gordon Browns proposed shake-up in Vehicle Exise Charges
> (Car/Bike/Lorry Tax to you dullards). This is going to be scaled
> totally according to power output, (BHP to all the power heads) and
> will come into effect January 1st 2005. It goes thus, a 100BHP engined
> vehicle owner will pay £200 per year, 200BHP £400, 400BHP £800 and so
> forth (as in £2 per BHP output). This is scandalous and needs
> attacking immediately. I have already writen to my MP, MEP and Gordon
> Brown and I suggest you all do similar, meantime, anybody want to buy
> a Yamaha Thunder Ace, a Kawasaki ZX9R, and an Aston Martin DB8?
>
> </C&P>
>
> Lets hope it's not going to happen, eh.

Ooh another leaked document which escaped via a mate of a mate who overheard
something in the office.

Let's see...

100E -- 10bhp - 30mpg -- £ 20.00
GS125 - 12bhp - 120mpg - £ 24.00
Fazer - 90bhp - 60mpg -- £180.00

The 100E actually has around 30bhp but it's rated at 10bhp because they
calculated from bore and stroke in them days, or so I've been lead to
believe.

The cheapest vehicle to tax if it wasn't already exempt is the slowest, most
dangerous and least efficient of my three vehicles.

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PDannyD
<dan1970.nomeatproductsplease@nocannedmeat.scenicp lace.freeserve.co.uk>
wrote:

> The cheapest vehicle to tax if it wasn't already exempt is the slowest, most
> dangerous and least efficient of my three vehicles.

And the most polluting.


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In message <1gfhmc3.azh3n92nleeaN%chateauSPAMKILL.murray@dsl. pipex.com>,
The Older Gentleman <chateauSPAMKILL.murray@dsl.pipex.com> writes
>PDannyD
><dan1970.nomeatproductsplease@nocannedmeat.scenic place.freeserve.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>> The cheapest vehicle to tax if it wasn't already exempt is the slowest, most
>> dangerous and least efficient of my three vehicles.
>
>And the most polluting.
>
>
You're right. Scrap car tax and add 10p a litre to fuel. Job done. Next!
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"The Older Gentleman" <chateauSPAMKILL.murray@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in
message news:1gfhmc3.azh3n92nleeaN%chateauSPAMKILL.murray@ dsl.pipex.com
> PDannyD
> <dan1970.nomeatproductsplease@nocannedmeat.scenicp lace.freeserve.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> The cheapest vehicle to tax if it wasn't already exempt is the
>> slowest, most dangerous and least efficient of my three vehicles.
>
> And the most polluting.

I'm looking into fuelling it with a wood-gas generator converted to run on
burning tyres. ;-)

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Christofire

SP wrote:

> I've got absolutely no idea just how genuine this is, but if it's true
> it'll cost a fortune to keep our vehicles on the road, especially
> those that have more than one...
>
> <C&P>
>
> My mate at DVLA has leaked a copy of a new proposal to me regarding
> Gordon Browns proposed shake-up in Vehicle Exise Charges
> (Car/Bike/Lorry Tax to you dullards). This is going to be scaled
> totally according to power output, (BHP to all the power heads) and

Wouldn't it be in P/S if this was going to come in? Most power output
figures are quoted as such in new vehicle blurb.

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Full throttle for 55 minutes - a hell of a buzz.

Ben Blaney

SP wrote:

><C&P>
>
>My mate at DVLA has leaked a copy of a new proposal to me regarding
>Gordon Browns proposed shake-up in Vehicle Exise Charges
>(Car/Bike/Lorry Tax to you dullards). This is going to be scaled
>totally according to power output, (BHP to all the power heads) and
>will come into effect January 1st 2005. It goes thus, a 100BHP engined
>vehicle owner will pay £200 per year, 200BHP £400, 400BHP £800 and so
>forth (as in £2 per BHP output). This is scandalous and needs attacking
>immediately. I have already writen to my MP, MEP and Gordon Brown and I
>suggest you all do similar, meantime, anybody want to buy a Yamaha
>Thunder Ace, a Kawasaki ZX9R, and an Aston Martin DB8?
>
></C&P>

This shows a fundamental lack of understanding of how the legislative
process works.

--
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wessie

Ben Blaney wrote in news:bb51d0t8a4ab4a7vqh86v084lf8c1h08au@4ax.com:

> SP wrote:
>
>><C&P>
>>
>>My mate at DVLA has leaked a copy of a new proposal to me regarding
>>Gordon Browns proposed shake-up in Vehicle Exise Charges
>>(Car/Bike/Lorry Tax to you dullards). This is going to be scaled
>>totally according to power output, (BHP to all the power heads) and
>>will come into effect January 1st 2005. It goes thus, a 100BHP engined
>>vehicle owner will pay £200 per year, 200BHP £400, 400BHP £800 and so
>>forth (as in £2 per BHP output). This is scandalous and needs
>>attacking immediately. I have already writen to my MP, MEP and Gordon
>>Brown and I suggest you all do similar, meantime, anybody want to buy
>>a Yamaha Thunder Ace, a Kawasaki ZX9R, and an Aston Martin DB8?
>>
>></C&P>
>
> This shows a fundamental lack of understanding of how the legislative
> process works.
>

Indeed. Any new tax rates would not apply to vehicles manufactured prior
to the implementation. There would have to be a dual scheme in place as
we currently have for cars: only those made after 01/03/2001 are covered
by the C02 bands; older cars are taxed by engine size.

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Wizard

In article <1gfhl17.1n1uux6176rv2pN%
chateauSPAMKILL.murray@dsl.pipex.com>,
chateauSPAMKILL.murray@dsl.pipex.com says...

>
> And where are they going to get the BHP ratings from? Government-issue
> dynos?
>

ICBW, but don't the French use a system based on entirely notional
horsepower figures- "chevaux fiscaux", ie "taxable horses"- where the
Gvt just announces a figure for each model of vehicle and that's it?



--
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Ben Blaney

AndrewR wrote:

>Now, perhaps TOG can give us an idea of what the typical power output of a
>truck is, I don't know, but I'm willing to bet they're not in the 100bhp or
>less category.

Artics are usually 400bhp.

That's 10bhp/tonne.

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Mark Olson

Colonel Tupperware wrote:

> Remind me, what is it that is so bad about Europe?

'Wogs begin at Calais'

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The Older Gentleman

Wizard <wizard@ukrm.net> wrote:

> ICBW, but don't the French use a system based on entirely notional
> horsepower figures- "chevaux fiscaux", ie "taxable horses"

That's for insurance, I think.

A 2CV is rated as... two.

Whan I was a student, my Mark One 1300cc Escort Estate was rated as 7CV.
But the engine was never that powerful......


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deadmail@burnt.org.uk

chateauSPAMKILL.murray@dsl.pipex.com (The Older Gentleman) wrote in
message <1gfhl17.1n1uux6176rv2pN%chateauSPAMKILL.murray@ds l.pipex.com>:


>And where are they going to get the BHP ratings from? Government-issue
>dynos?
>
>There's sometimes 10bhp between claimed and measured rear-wheel power
>outputs.


Well... company car tax used to be based on the RRP of the car and
there's generally a lot of leeway between the RRP and what the fleet co.
would pay for a company lease vehicle (a blatant guess but illustrates
the point; it doesn't matter what the fact is, the manufacturers wild
claims are good enough)
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Colonel Tupperware <big.russ@tesco.net> wrote in message
<fuc1d0psj2g8b9h1d40vba99petluhkdh2@4ax.com>:


>Remind me, what is it that is so bad about Europe?

You tell me, you live in it.
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Champ

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:59:40 GMT, "SP" <Lesley@ukrm.org> wrote:

>I've got absolutely no idea just how genuine this is, but if it's true
>it'll cost a fortune to keep our vehicles on the road, especially those
>that have more than one...
>
><C&P>
>
>My mate at DVLA has leaked a copy of a new proposal to me regarding
>Gordon Browns proposed shake-up in Vehicle Exise Charges
>(Car/Bike/Lorry Tax to you dullards). This is going to be scaled
>totally according to power output, (BHP to all the power heads) and
>will come into effect January 1st 2005. It goes thus, a 100BHP engined
>vehicle owner will pay £200 per year, 200BHP £400, 400BHP £800 and so
>forth (as in £2 per BHP output). This is scandalous and needs attacking
>immediately. I have already writen to my MP, MEP and Gordon Brown and I
>suggest you all do similar, meantime, anybody want to buy a Yamaha
>Thunder Ace, a Kawasaki ZX9R, and an Aston Martin DB8?
>
></C&P>
>
>Lets hope it's not going to happen, eh.

I'm prepared to bet a reasonable 3 course meal for two, with wine,
that this is a hoax.
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Champ

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:53:18 +0100, deadmail@burnt.org.uk wrote:

> Colonel Tupperware <big.russ@tesco.net> wrote in message
><fuc1d0psj2g8b9h1d40vba99petluhkdh2@4ax.com>:
>
>
>>Remind me, what is it that is so bad about Europe?
>
>You tell me, you live in it.

Is the right answer
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Andrewr At Work

"Champ" <ukrm@champ.org.uk> wrote in message
news:73k1d0d7fi21t6u7cjf5iuvkkkucfsrtlh@4ax.com

> On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:59:40 GMT, "SP" <Lesley@ukrm.org> wrote:

> >My mate at DVLA has leaked a copy of a new proposal to me regarding
> >Gordon Browns proposed shake-up in Vehicle Exise Charges

<SNIP>

> I'm prepared to bet a reasonable 3 course meal for two, with wine,
> that this is a hoax.

I'm not sure how this "bet" works.

If it turns out to be true does anybody who bets against you win a meal
at your expense or, if it is false, are they forced to have dinner with
you?

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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:18:33 +0000 (UTC), "Andrewr At Work"
<andrewr@rockface.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>"Champ" <ukrm@champ.org.uk> wrote in message
>news:73k1d0d7fi21t6u7cjf5iuvkkkucfsrtlh@4ax.com
>
>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:59:40 GMT, "SP" <Lesley@ukrm.org> wrote:
>
>> >My mate at DVLA has leaked a copy of a new proposal to me regarding
>> >Gordon Browns proposed shake-up in Vehicle Exise Charges
>
><SNIP>
>
>> I'm prepared to bet a reasonable 3 course meal for two, with wine,
>> that this is a hoax.
>
>I'm not sure how this "bet" works.

Good.

>If it turns out to be true does anybody who bets against you win a meal
>at your expense or, if it is false, are they forced to have dinner with
>you?

Both depend on the who.
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Dr Ivan D. Reid

On 16 Jun 2004 18:41:17 GMT, Christofire <chris@ukrm.org>
wrote in <2jbiidFvcrsfU2@uni-berlin.de>:
> SP wrote:

>> My mate at DVLA has leaked a copy of a new proposal to me regarding
>> Gordon Browns proposed shake-up in Vehicle Exise Charges
>> (Car/Bike/Lorry Tax to you dullards). This is going to be scaled
>> totally according to power output, (BHP to all the power heads) and

> Wouldn't it be in P/S if this was going to come in? Most power output
> figures are quoted as such in new vehicle blurb.

1 ps[1] ~ 1 bhp[2]

[1] Pferdestärke - lit. horse power = 735.49875 watts
[2] 745.6999 watts -- so 1 bhp = 1.0139 ps

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Ace

On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:12:04 +0000 (UTC), "Dr Ivan D. Reid"
<Ivan.Reid@brunel.ac.uk> wrote:

> Hmm, I was paying 17% income tax at PSI. My total outgoings --
>tax, pension, superannuation, accident insurance (not covered by health
>insurance) etc. was 30-32% of my gross salary of ~£45K. WUSt (VAT) was 12%
>IIRC.

MWSt, shirley? And it's less than that, I'm sure. 7.6%, IIRC[1][2]

[1] Which, less face it, is only marginally more likely than you doing
so, despite the fact that I live here. :-}
[2] Unless it's Kanton-specific, of course...

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Ace

On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:20:34 +0000 (UTC), "Dr Ivan D. Reid"
<Ivan.Reid@brunel.ac.uk> wrote:

> 1 ps[1] ~ 1 bhp[2]
>
>[1] Pferdestärke - lit. horse power = 735.49875 watts
>[2] 745.6999 watts -- so 1 bhp = 1.0139 ps

So German horses are slightly slower than British ones?

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gomez

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:11:22 -0500, Mark Olson <olsonm@tiny.invalid>
dropped the following oil-slick:
>
>'Wogs begin at Calais'

Just been reminded that this an acronym for "Worthy Oriental
Gentlemen" coined by some clerk in John Company in the 18th? century..
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Champ

On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:37:20 +0100, gomez <adams_gomez@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:11:22 -0500, Mark Olson <olsonm@tiny.invalid>
>dropped the following oil-slick:
>>
>>'Wogs begin at Calais'
>
>Just been reminded that this an acronym for "Worthy Oriental
>Gentlemen" coined by some clerk in John Company in the 18th? century..

The derivation of "wog" is much disputed, with no claim really
standing up to scrutiny, iirc
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steve auvache

Champ wrote
>On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:37:20 +0100, gomez <adams_gomez@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:11:22 -0500, Mark Olson <olsonm@tiny.invalid>
>>dropped the following oil-slick:
>>>
>>>'Wogs begin at Calais'
>>
>>Just been reminded that this an acronym for "Worthy Oriental
>>Gentlemen" coined by some clerk in John Company in the 18th? century..
>
>The derivation of "wog" is much disputed, with no claim really
>standing up to scrutiny, iirc

When I were a lad it meant anyone who had a decent sun tan and had
been/was about to be brought to civilised ways of thinking and the
correct use for indoor toilets. Different these days of course but it
*never* meant the frogs, we don't want the frogs in our Empire thank you
very much
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gomez

On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:53:36 +0300, Ben Blaney <benblaney@ukrm.net>
dropped the following oil-slick:

>Champ wrote:
>>
>>The derivation of "wog" is much disputed, with no claim really
>>standing up to scrutiny, iirc
>
>Indeed. From OED online:
>
>wog
>
>slang.
>
> 1. A vulgarly offensive name for a foreigner, esp. one of Arab
>extraction.
>
<snip rest of detail>

That beats my source, the latest Wilbur Smith paperback. I owe
everything I mis-know about Africa and the Orient to his books
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Dr Ivan D. Reid

On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:53:36 +0300, Ben Blaney <benblaney@ukrm.net>
wrote in <me83d0pi4n1j8qkb0af5c9g2dgcgpk00c3@4ax.com>:

> Indeed. From OED online:

> wog

> slang.
[Snip!]

....whish doesn't explain the Australian sentence, "My daughter's in bed with
a wog!"

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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:37:11 +0000 (UTC), "Dr Ivan D. Reid"
<Ivan.Reid@brunel.ac.uk> wrote:

>On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:53:36 +0300, Ben Blaney <benblaney@ukrm.net>
> wrote in <me83d0pi4n1j8qkb0af5c9g2dgcgpk00c3@4ax.com>:
>
>> Indeed. From OED online:
>
>> wog
>
>> slang.
>[Snip!]
>
>...whish doesn't explain the Australian sentence, "My daughter's in bed with
>a wog!"

Meaning?

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Champ

On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:54:28 +0200, Ace <b.rogers@virgin.net> wrote:

>>> Indeed. From OED online:
>>
>>> wog
>>
>>> slang.
>>[Snip!]
>>
>>...whish doesn't explain the Australian sentence, "My daughter's in bed with
>>a wog!"
>
>Meaning?

In Australia, the word wog is used to mean Greek and Italian
immigrants.
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