Paddock stands.

Very quick review.

The Abba Superbike stand that you can see here:
http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=1

Is a brilliant bit of kit, very well made (over engineered Id say) and
does exactly what it says it does.

Forget paddock stands, this really is the way forward.

--

Gavin.

Gavsta wrote:

> Very quick review.
>
> The Abba Superbike stand that you can see here:
> http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=1
>
> Is a brilliant bit of kit, very well made (over engineered Id say) and
> does exactly what it says it does.
>
> Forget paddock stands, this really is the way forward.

I bought one when I had the daytona. I didn't see the point of buying a
single-sided swingarm suitable stand, then having to buy another one if
I got a double-sided swingarm bike later.

It's solid, the bike's stable when it's up, and it's a doddle to get
the bike on and off it. Having used "normal" ones, I don't see why
anyone would use anything else.

--
Christofire DIAABTCOD#1 DS#9 ZX-10R

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:21:15 -0700, Gavsta <gavsta@gmail.com> wrote:

>Very quick review.
>
>The Abba Superbike stand that you can see here:
>http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=1
>
>Is a brilliant bit of kit, very well made (over engineered Id say) and
>does exactly what it says it does.
>
>Forget paddock stands, this really is the way forward.

Had one for ages. One useful tip: gaffa tape the adapters to the
stand, or risk finding one day that you only have one adapter. This
stops them falling out while manoeuvering the stand under the bike,
too.

--
-Pip

On 28 Jul, 18:50, Pip Luscher
<pips.compu...@spammers.foad.ntlworld.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:21:15 -0700, Gavsta <gav...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Very quick review.
>
> >The Abba Superbike stand that you can see here:
> >http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=1
>
> >Is a brilliant bit of kit, very well made (over engineered Id say) and
> >does exactly what it says it does.
>
> >Forget paddock stands, this really is the way forward.
>
> Had one for ages. One useful tip: gaffa tape the adapters to the
> stand, or risk finding one day that you only have one adapter. This
> stops them falling out while manoeuvering the stand under the bike,
> too.
>

Thats a good idea, only had mine for three days and one popped out
already while shifting it around.

What i like is how soilid the bike feels on the stand, its balanced
well so the front wheel is get uppable too.

On 28 Jul, 18:21, Gavsta <gav...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Very quick review.
>
> The Abba Superbike stand that you can see here:http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=1
>
> Is a brilliant bit of kit, very well made (over engineered Id say) and
> does exactly what it says it does.
>
> Forget paddock stands, this really is the way forward.

I've got one[1] similar that allows me to take both wheels out at the
same time. It really is one of the most useful things I've bought.

[1] Made by a company in Norwich whose name escapes me.

--
Lozzo

In article <1185646181.288161.55080@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.c om>,
speedyspic@googlemail.com writes
>On 28 Jul, 18:21, Gavsta <gav...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Very quick review.
>>
>> The Abba Superbike stand that you can see here:http://www.abbastands.co.uk/pro
>duct_details.asp?id=1
>>
>> Is a brilliant bit of kit, very well made (over engineered Id say) and
>> does exactly what it says it does.
>>
>> Forget paddock stands, this really is the way forward.
>
>I've got one[1] similar that allows me to take both wheels out at the
>same time. It really is one of the most useful things I've bought.
>
>[1] Made by a company in Norwich whose name escapes me.

Coleman's?

--
steve auvache
A Bloo one with built in safety features

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:33:59 +0100, steve auvache
<dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> wrote:

>In article <1185646181.288161.55080@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.c om>,
>speedyspic@googlemail.com writes

>>[1] Made by a company in Norwich whose name escapes me.
>
>Coleman's?

Keen, you are.

--
Pip: B12

speedyspic@googlemail.com wrote:

> On 28 Jul, 18:21, Gavsta <gav...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Very quick review.
> >
> > The Abba Superbike stand that you can see
> > here:http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=1
> >
> > Is a brilliant bit of kit, very well made (over engineered Id say)
> > and does exactly what it says it does.
> >
> > Forget paddock stands, this really is the way forward.
>
> I've got one[1] similar that allows me to take both wheels out at the
> same time. It really is one of the most useful things I've bought.

To do this with an Abba, just jack up the front of the bike, or get a
biffer on the back of it.

--
Christofire DIAABTCOD#1 DS#9 ZX-10R

"Gavsta" <gavsta@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185643275.633074.288600@q75g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...
> Very quick review.
>
> The Abba Superbike stand that you can see here:
> http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=1
>
> Is a brilliant bit of kit, very well made (over engineered Id say) and
> does exactly what it says it does.
>
> Forget paddock stands, this really is the way forward.

Yup, we had one down The Workshop, donated by the boss at Abba whose mum
lives just around the corner.

It came with a big bag of adaptors and the trick is to make sure you've
picked the right one's for each bike, not necessarily the same both sides,
and though we did come across a few models it didn't fit, when it worked it
was great.

The long arm made it tricky to use on the bike lifting ramps as these had
raised edges at the side, while the modified car ramps were fine.
See the Cubs vs. the XJ in these pics
http://website.lineone.net/~dave.emerson/pics.htm

--
Dave
ex Motorcycle Maintenance Workshop
http://tinyurl.com/4mhaw

"Gavsta" <gavsta@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185645327.374028.319200@b79g2000hse.googlegr oups.com...
> On 28 Jul, 18:50, Pip Luscher
> <pips.compu...@spammers.foad.ntlworld.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:21:15 -0700, Gavsta <gav...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Very quick review.
>>
>> >The Abba Superbike stand that you can see here:
>> >http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=1
>>
>> >Is a brilliant bit of kit, very well made (over engineered Id say) and
>> >does exactly what it says it does.
>>
>> >Forget paddock stands, this really is the way forward.
>>
>> Had one for ages. One useful tip: gaffa tape the adapters to the
>> stand, or risk finding one day that you only have one adapter. This
>> stops them falling out while manoeuvering the stand under the bike,
>> too.
>>
>
> Thats a good idea, only had mine for three days and one popped out
> already while shifting it around.
>
> What i like is how soilid the bike feels on the stand, its balanced
> well so the front wheel is get uppable too.

Yep. I used mine on the bike lift, then ran a ratchet strap from the back
wheel to one of the cross bars on the base of the lift. A quick pump and the
front wheel was off the decl of the lift allowing an easy brake disc swap
and a check of the head bearings.

Excellent bit of kit is an Abba stand.

--
Beav

VN 750
Zed 1000
OMF# 19

"Dave Emerson" <Dave_dot_Emerson@LineOne.net> wrote in message
news:f8g7ad$nj1$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> "Gavsta" <gavsta@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1185643275.633074.288600@q75g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...
>> Very quick review.
>>
>> The Abba Superbike stand that you can see here:
>> http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=1
>>
>> Is a brilliant bit of kit, very well made (over engineered Id say) and
>> does exactly what it says it does.
>>
>> Forget paddock stands, this really is the way forward.
>
> Yup, we had one down The Workshop, donated by the boss at Abba whose mum
> lives just around the corner.
>
> It came with a big bag of adaptors and the trick is to make sure you've
> picked the right one's for each bike, not necessarily the same both sides,
> and though we did come across a few models it didn't fit, when it worked
> it was great.
>
> The long arm made it tricky to use on the bike lifting ramps as these had
> raised edges at the side, while the modified car ramps were fine.

Mine *just* fits on the lift between the raised edges. And I mean *just*.

Those legs would've been modified if it hadn't.

--
Beav

VN 750
Zed 1000
OMF# 19

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:15:30 +0000 (UTC) christofire wrote:

>speedyspic@googlemail.com wrote:
>
>> On 28 Jul, 18:21, Gavsta <gav...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Very quick review.
>> >
>> > The Abba Superbike stand that you can see
>> > here:http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=1
>> >
>> > Is a brilliant bit of kit, very well made (over engineered Id say)
>> > and does exactly what it says it does.
>> >
>> > Forget paddock stands, this really is the way forward.
>>
>> I've got one[1] similar that allows me to take both wheels out at the
>> same time. It really is one of the most useful things I've bought.
>
>To do this with an Abba, just jack up the front of the bike, or get a
>biffer on the back of it.

Just get Platy to park the bike for you.

--
vulgarandmischevious

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique,
vulgarandmischevious <vulgarandmischevious@gmail.com> typed
>On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:15:30 +0000 (UTC) christofire wrote:
>
>>speedyspic@googlemail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On 28 Jul, 18:21, Gavsta <gav...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Very quick review.
>>> >
>>> > The Abba Superbike stand that you can see
>>> > here:http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=1
>>> >
>>> > Is a brilliant bit of kit, very well made (over engineered Id say)
>>> > and does exactly what it says it does.
>>> >
>>> > Forget paddock stands, this really is the way forward.
>>>
>>> I've got one[1] similar that allows me to take both wheels out at the
>>> same time. It really is one of the most useful things I've bought.
>>
>>To do this with an Abba, just jack up the front of the bike, or get a
>>biffer on the back of it.
>
>Just get Platy to park the bike for you.

That's all very well, but how do you get it right side up again?

--
Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest"

WS* GHPOTHUF#24 APOSTLE#14 DLC#1 COFF#20 BOTAFOT#150 HYPO#0(KoTL) IbW#41
SBS#39 OMF#6 Enfield 500 Curry House Racer "The Basmati Rice Burner",
Honda GL1000K2 (Falling apart) Kawasaki ZN1300 Voyager "Oh, Oh, It's so big"
Suzuki TS250 "The Africa Single" Honda ST1100 wiv trailer Norton 850 Commando

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 22:46:09 +0100, Wicked Uncle Nigel
<wun@wicked-uncle-nigel.me.uk> wrote:

>>>> > The Abba Superbike stand that you can see
>>>> > here:http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=1
>>>> >
>>>> > Is a brilliant bit of kit, very well made (over engineered Id say)
>>>> > and does exactly what it says it does.
>>>> >
>>>> > Forget paddock stands, this really is the way forward.
>>>>
>>>> I've got one[1] similar that allows me to take both wheels out at the
>>>> same time. It really is one of the most useful things I've bought.
>>>
>>>To do this with an Abba, just jack up the front of the bike, or get a
>>>biffer on the back of it.
>>
>>Just get Platy to park the bike for you.
>
>That's all very well, but how do you get it right side up again?

A team of ukrmers run up, pissing themselves, take photos, then turn
it over for you.

Don't you know *anything*?
--
Champ

ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R 600 racer
My advice as your attorney is to buy a motorcycle
To email me, neal at my domain should work.

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ
<neal@champ.org.uk> typed
>On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 22:46:09 +0100, Wicked Uncle Nigel
><wun@wicked-uncle-nigel.me.uk> wrote:
>
>>>>> > The Abba Superbike stand that you can see
>>>>> > here:http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=1
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Is a brilliant bit of kit, very well made (over engineered Id say)
>>>>> > and does exactly what it says it does.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Forget paddock stands, this really is the way forward.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got one[1] similar that allows me to take both wheels out at the
>>>>> same time. It really is one of the most useful things I've bought.
>>>>
>>>>To do this with an Abba, just jack up the front of the bike, or get a
>>>>biffer on the back of it.
>>>
>>>Just get Platy to park the bike for you.
>>
>>That's all very well, but how do you get it right side up again?
>
>A team of ukrmers run up, pissing themselves, take photos, then turn
>it over for you.

OIC

>Don't you know *anything*?

Apparently not.

--
Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest"

WS* GHPOTHUF#24 APOSTLE#14 DLC#1 COFF#20 BOTAFOT#150 HYPO#0(KoTL) IbW#41
SBS#39 OMF#6 Enfield 500 Curry House Racer "The Basmati Rice Burner",
Honda GL1000K2 (Falling apart) Kawasaki ZN1300 Voyager "Oh, Oh, It's so big"
Suzuki TS250 "The Africa Single" Honda ST1100 wiv trailer Norton 850 Commando

	#1
Gavsta	Paddock stands. Very quick review. The Abba Superbike stand that you can see here: http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=1 Is a brilliant bit of kit, very well made (over engineered Id say) and does exactly what it says it does. Forget paddock stands, this really is the way forward. -- Gavin.

	#2
christofire	Re: Paddock stands. Gavsta wrote: > Very quick review. > > The Abba Superbike stand that you can see here: > http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=1 > > Is a brilliant bit of kit, very well made (over engineered Id say) and > does exactly what it says it does. > > Forget paddock stands, this really is the way forward. I bought one when I had the daytona. I didn't see the point of buying a single-sided swingarm suitable stand, then having to buy another one if I got a double-sided swingarm bike later. It's solid, the bike's stable when it's up, and it's a doddle to get the bike on and off it. Having used "normal" ones, I don't see why anyone would use anything else. -- Christofire DIAABTCOD#1 DS#9 ZX-10R

	#3
Pip Luscher	Re: Paddock stands. On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:21:15 -0700, Gavsta <gavsta@gmail.com> wrote: >Very quick review. > >The Abba Superbike stand that you can see here: >http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=1 > >Is a brilliant bit of kit, very well made (over engineered Id say) and >does exactly what it says it does. > >Forget paddock stands, this really is the way forward. Had one for ages. One useful tip: gaffa tape the adapters to the stand, or risk finding one day that you only have one adapter. This stops them falling out while manoeuvering the stand under the bike, too. -- -Pip

	#4
Gavsta	Re: Paddock stands. On 28 Jul, 18:50, Pip Luscher <pips.compu...@spammers.foad.ntlworld.co.uk> wrote: > On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:21:15 -0700, Gavsta <gav...@gmail.com> wrote: > >Very quick review. > > >The Abba Superbike stand that you can see here: > >http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=1 > > >Is a brilliant bit of kit, very well made (over engineered Id say) and > >does exactly what it says it does. > > >Forget paddock stands, this really is the way forward. > > Had one for ages. One useful tip: gaffa tape the adapters to the > stand, or risk finding one day that you only have one adapter. This > stops them falling out while manoeuvering the stand under the bike, > too. > Thats a good idea, only had mine for three days and one popped out already while shifting it around. What i like is how soilid the bike feels on the stand, its balanced well so the front wheel is get uppable too.

	#5
speedyspic@googlemail.com	Re: Paddock stands. On 28 Jul, 18:21, Gavsta <gav...@gmail.com> wrote: > Very quick review. > > The Abba Superbike stand that you can see here:http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=1 > > Is a brilliant bit of kit, very well made (over engineered Id say) and > does exactly what it says it does. > > Forget paddock stands, this really is the way forward. I've got one[1] similar that allows me to take both wheels out at the same time. It really is one of the most useful things I've bought. [1] Made by a company in Norwich whose name escapes me. -- Lozzo

	#6
steve auvache	Re: Paddock stands. In article <1185646181.288161.55080@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.c om>, speedyspic@googlemail.com writes >On 28 Jul, 18:21, Gavsta <gav...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Very quick review. >> >> The Abba Superbike stand that you can see here:http://www.abbastands.co.uk/pro >duct_details.asp?id=1 >> >> Is a brilliant bit of kit, very well made (over engineered Id say) and >> does exactly what it says it does. >> >> Forget paddock stands, this really is the way forward. > >I've got one[1] similar that allows me to take both wheels out at the >same time. It really is one of the most useful things I've bought. > >[1] Made by a company in Norwich whose name escapes me. Coleman's? -- steve auvache A Bloo one with built in safety features

	#8
christofire	Re: Paddock stands. speedyspic@googlemail.com wrote: > On 28 Jul, 18:21, Gavsta <gav...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Very quick review. > > > > The Abba Superbike stand that you can see > > here:http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=1 > > > > Is a brilliant bit of kit, very well made (over engineered Id say) > > and does exactly what it says it does. > > > > Forget paddock stands, this really is the way forward. > > I've got one[1] similar that allows me to take both wheels out at the > same time. It really is one of the most useful things I've bought. To do this with an Abba, just jack up the front of the bike, or get a biffer on the back of it. -- Christofire DIAABTCOD#1 DS#9 ZX-10R

	#9
Dave Emerson	Re: Paddock stands. "Gavsta" <gavsta@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1185643275.633074.288600@q75g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com... > Very quick review. > > The Abba Superbike stand that you can see here: > http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=1 > > Is a brilliant bit of kit, very well made (over engineered Id say) and > does exactly what it says it does. > > Forget paddock stands, this really is the way forward. Yup, we had one down The Workshop, donated by the boss at Abba whose mum lives just around the corner. It came with a big bag of adaptors and the trick is to make sure you've picked the right one's for each bike, not necessarily the same both sides, and though we did come across a few models it didn't fit, when it worked it was great. The long arm made it tricky to use on the bike lifting ramps as these had raised edges at the side, while the modified car ramps were fine. See the Cubs vs. the XJ in these pics http://website.lineone.net/~dave.emerson/pics.htm -- Dave ex Motorcycle Maintenance Workshop http://tinyurl.com/4mhaw

	#10
Beav	Re: Paddock stands. "Gavsta" <gavsta@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1185645327.374028.319200@b79g2000hse.googlegr oups.com... > On 28 Jul, 18:50, Pip Luscher > <pips.compu...@spammers.foad.ntlworld.co.uk> wrote: >> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:21:15 -0700, Gavsta <gav...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >Very quick review. >> >> >The Abba Superbike stand that you can see here: >> >http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=1 >> >> >Is a brilliant bit of kit, very well made (over engineered Id say) and >> >does exactly what it says it does. >> >> >Forget paddock stands, this really is the way forward. >> >> Had one for ages. One useful tip: gaffa tape the adapters to the >> stand, or risk finding one day that you only have one adapter. This >> stops them falling out while manoeuvering the stand under the bike, >> too. >> > > Thats a good idea, only had mine for three days and one popped out > already while shifting it around. > > What i like is how soilid the bike feels on the stand, its balanced > well so the front wheel is get uppable too. Yep. I used mine on the bike lift, then ran a ratchet strap from the back wheel to one of the cross bars on the base of the lift. A quick pump and the front wheel was off the decl of the lift allowing an easy brake disc swap and a check of the head bearings. Excellent bit of kit is an Abba stand. -- Beav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19

	#11
Beav	Re: Paddock stands. "Dave Emerson" <Dave_dot_Emerson@LineOne.net> wrote in message news:f8g7ad$nj1$1@registered.motzarella.org... > > "Gavsta" <gavsta@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1185643275.633074.288600@q75g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com... >> Very quick review. >> >> The Abba Superbike stand that you can see here: >> http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=1 >> >> Is a brilliant bit of kit, very well made (over engineered Id say) and >> does exactly what it says it does. >> >> Forget paddock stands, this really is the way forward. > > Yup, we had one down The Workshop, donated by the boss at Abba whose mum > lives just around the corner. > > It came with a big bag of adaptors and the trick is to make sure you've > picked the right one's for each bike, not necessarily the same both sides, > and though we did come across a few models it didn't fit, when it worked > it was great. > > The long arm made it tricky to use on the bike lifting ramps as these had > raised edges at the side, while the modified car ramps were fine. Mine just fits on the lift between the raised edges. And I mean just. Those legs would've been modified if it hadn't. -- Beav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19

	#12
vulgarandmischevious	Re: Paddock stands. On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:15:30 +0000 (UTC) christofire wrote: >speedyspic@googlemail.com wrote: > >> On 28 Jul, 18:21, Gavsta <gav...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Very quick review. >> > >> > The Abba Superbike stand that you can see >> > here:http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=1 >> > >> > Is a brilliant bit of kit, very well made (over engineered Id say) >> > and does exactly what it says it does. >> > >> > Forget paddock stands, this really is the way forward. >> >> I've got one[1] similar that allows me to take both wheels out at the >> same time. It really is one of the most useful things I've bought. > >To do this with an Abba, just jack up the front of the bike, or get a >biffer on the back of it. Just get Platy to park the bike for you. -- vulgarandmischevious

	#13
Wicked Uncle Nigel	Re: Paddock stands. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, vulgarandmischevious <vulgarandmischevious@gmail.com> typed >On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:15:30 +0000 (UTC) christofire wrote: > >>speedyspic@googlemail.com wrote: >> >>> On 28 Jul, 18:21, Gavsta <gav...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > Very quick review. >>> > >>> > The Abba Superbike stand that you can see >>> > here:http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=1 >>> > >>> > Is a brilliant bit of kit, very well made (over engineered Id say) >>> > and does exactly what it says it does. >>> > >>> > Forget paddock stands, this really is the way forward. >>> >>> I've got one[1] similar that allows me to take both wheels out at the >>> same time. It really is one of the most useful things I've bought. >> >>To do this with an Abba, just jack up the front of the bike, or get a >>biffer on the back of it. > >Just get Platy to park the bike for you. That's all very well, but how do you get it right side up again? -- Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest" WS* GHPOTHUF#24 APOSTLE#14 DLC#1 COFF#20 BOTAFOT#150 HYPO#0(KoTL) IbW#41 SBS#39 OMF#6 Enfield 500 Curry House Racer "The Basmati Rice Burner", Honda GL1000K2 (Falling apart) Kawasaki ZN1300 Voyager "Oh, Oh, It's so big" Suzuki TS250 "The Africa Single" Honda ST1100 wiv trailer Norton 850 Commando

	#14
Champ	Re: Paddock stands. On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 22:46:09 +0100, Wicked Uncle Nigel <wun@wicked-uncle-nigel.me.uk> wrote: >>>> > The Abba Superbike stand that you can see >>>> > here:http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=1 >>>> > >>>> > Is a brilliant bit of kit, very well made (over engineered Id say) >>>> > and does exactly what it says it does. >>>> > >>>> > Forget paddock stands, this really is the way forward. >>>> >>>> I've got one[1] similar that allows me to take both wheels out at the >>>> same time. It really is one of the most useful things I've bought. >>> >>>To do this with an Abba, just jack up the front of the bike, or get a >>>biffer on the back of it. >> >>Just get Platy to park the bike for you. > >That's all very well, but how do you get it right side up again? A team of ukrmers run up, pissing themselves, take photos, then turn it over for you. Don't you know anything? -- Champ ZX10R \| GPz750turbo \| GSX-R 600 racer My advice as your attorney is to buy a motorcycle To email me, neal at my domain should work.