Krusty

I'm trying to sort out some vitamin 'bombs' for a mate who's going to
attempt to get off heroin. From what I can find out, the important ones
are C, B complex, Niacin, Calcium & Magnesium. The question is though -
how much of each?

I know you can get high-dose C at 500mg, which is about 830% RDA, but
I'm guessing it's not as simple as using the same % increase for all
the others. Anyone got any advice?

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Krusty wrote:

> I'm trying to sort out some vitamin 'bombs' for a mate who's going to
> attempt to get off heroin. From what I can find out, the important
> ones are C, B complex, Niacin, Calcium & Magnesium. The question is
> though - how much of each?
>
> I know you can get high-dose C at 500mg, which is about 830% RDA, but
> I'm guessing it's not as simple as using the same % increase for all
> the others. Anyone got any advice?

I have a bottle of Niacin here and a 100mg tablet is 555% RDA.

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Chris

Cane

On 5 Jul, 11:58, "Krusty" <dontwant...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

> I'm trying to sort out some vitamin 'bombs' for a mate who's going to
> attempt to get off heroin. From what I can find out, the important ones
> are C, B complex, Niacin, Calcium & Magnesium. The question is though -
> how much of each?
>
> I know you can get high-dose C at 500mg, which is about 830% RDA, but
> I'm guessing it's not as simple as using the same % increase for all
> the others. Anyone got any advice?

I've got some diacetylmorphine he can have for the pain.

Nidge

Krusty sed:

>I'm trying to sort out some vitamin 'bombs' for a mate

This might not be the grand idea it sounds like.
Some vitamins are quite toxic in too high a dose.
(It was excess vitamin A in dog livers that probably did for Scott of the
anti-Artic).

I suppose if anyone's going to have even a half way informed view you
might find them at one of the drug support centres ... But I'd canvass a
few because whilst there's some real stars working there there's a fair
scattering of absolute loons too (all zeal, tenuous grasp of scientific
validity) : (

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Krusty

Cane wrote:

> On 5 Jul, 11:58, "Krusty" <dontwant...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
> > I'm trying to sort out some vitamin 'bombs' for a mate who's going
> > to attempt to get off heroin. From what I can find out, the
> > important ones are C, B complex, Niacin, Calcium & Magnesium. The
> > question is though - how much of each?
> >
> > I know you can get high-dose C at 500mg, which is about 830% RDA,
> > but I'm guessing it's not as simple as using the same % increase
> > for all the others. Anyone got any advice?
>
> I've got some diacetylmorphine he can have for the pain.

Err... no ta. I'll have some codeine if you've got some though.

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Krusty

Nidge wrote:

> Krusty sed:
>
> > I'm trying to sort out some vitamin 'bombs' for a mate
>
> This might not be the grand idea it sounds like.
> Some vitamins are quite toxic in too high a dose.

I've found a list of max daily amounts now.

> I suppose if anyone's going to have even a half way informed view you
> might find them at one of the drug support centres ... But I'd
> canvass a few because whilst there's some real stars working there
> there's a fair scattering of absolute loons too (all zeal, tenuous
> grasp of scientific validity) : (

The more you speak to, the more different opinions you get. It's all a
bit of a nightmare really.

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steve auvache

In article <5f4170F3bned6U1@mid.individual.net>, Krusty
<dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> writes
>I'm trying to sort out some vitamin 'bombs' for a mate who's going to
>attempt to get off heroin. From what I can find out, the important ones
>are C, B complex, Niacin, Calcium & Magnesium. The question is though -
>how much of each?
>
>I know you can get high-dose C at 500mg, which is about 830% RDA, but
>I'm guessing it's not as simple as using the same % increase for all
>the others. Anyone got any advice?

Fruit, raw veg, bread, cheese, milk, eggs and red meat.



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A Bloo one with built in safety features

Jimbo .....

> the others. Anyone got any advice?
>
> --
> Krusty

just look for a new friend .........

Grimly Curmudgeon

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Nidge"
<n.j.murray@cranfield.withoutspicedporkandhamac.uk > saying something
like:

>(It was excess vitamin A in dog livers that probably did for Scott of the
>anti-Artic).

That was Mawson's team, eating doggy bits. Scott succumbed to drinking
the petrol from the poppa-poppa dogless carriages.
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Teach a man to fish and he and his pikey mates will have the
river cleaned out in a day.

TMack

"Krusty" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:5f4170F3bned6U1@mid.individual.net
> I'm trying to sort out some vitamin 'bombs' for a mate who's going to
> attempt to get off heroin. From what I can find out, the important
> ones are C, B complex, Niacin, Calcium & Magnesium. The question is
> though - how much of each?
>
> I know you can get high-dose C at 500mg, which is about 830% RDA, but
> I'm guessing it's not as simple as using the same % increase for all
> the others. Anyone got any advice?

FWIW I doubt that it will make any difference as long as you stay below
toxic levels. The effects are more likely to be psychological than physical
anyway - placebeo effect, if he thinks that it will help then it probably
will. The physical effects of coming off opiates are much over-stated. For
most people it is the equivalent of having the flu i.e. very unpleasant but
not at the extremes of physical suffering. The main problem is usually
psychological, associated with the fear of the physical effects and the
major fear of having to face life without smack.

Apart from having to deal with his fear of coping without the drug he is
probably also looking at a major change of lifestyle if he is serious.
Assuming that he is mixing with other addicts (odds-on) then he will have to
abandon his fellow drug-takers, which means breaking off relationships and
the comfort of the shared enthusiasm for smack that has kept them together
in the past. He is likely to need substantial support in the early stages
and anyone who "signs up" to do this needs to take into account the
possibility/probability that he may fail fairly quickly and return to his
addiction.

Good luck, I hope it works out for him.

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Krusty

TMack wrote:

> "Krusty" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
> news:5f4170F3bned6U1@mid.individual.net
> > I'm trying to sort out some vitamin 'bombs' for a mate who's going
> > to attempt to get off heroin. From what I can find out, the
> > important ones are C, B complex, Niacin, Calcium & Magnesium. The
> > question is though - how much of each?
> >
> > I know you can get high-dose C at 500mg, which is about 830% RDA,
> > but I'm guessing it's not as simple as using the same % increase
> > for all the others. Anyone got any advice?
>
> FWIW I doubt that it will make any difference as long as you stay
> below toxic levels. The effects are more likely to be psychological
> than physical anyway - placebeo effect, if he thinks that it will
> help then it probably will.

They do seem to help a bit with some of the withdrawal symptoms,
depending on what you read, but I have been over extolling their
usefulness to him deliberately. He's made a couple of attempts at going
cold turkey on his own, & his failure coupled with the (perceived)
physical agony has left him terrified of trying again. I figure
anything that can make him feel it'll be easier next time has to be
good.

> The physical effects of coming off
> opiates are much over-stated. For most people it is the equivalent
> of having the flu i.e. very unpleasant but not at the extremes of
> physical suffering. The main problem is usually psychological,
> associated with the fear of the physical effects and the major fear
> of having to face life without smack.

I think I'd agree with that, if you replace 'the flu' with 'a very bad
dose of the flu coupled with food poisoning'. I think the psychological
aspect would be easier for him to deal with if he wasn't doubled-up in
agony puking his guts up, so we're going to try substituting the heroin
with codeine for the first couple of weeks. Of course if he's one of
those people who can't convert codeine to morphine, that plan goes out
the window.

> Apart from having to deal with his fear of coping without the drug he
> is probably also looking at a major change of lifestyle if he is
> serious. Assuming that he is mixing with other addicts (odds-on)
> then he will have to abandon his fellow drug-takers, which means
> breaking off relationships and the comfort of the shared enthusiasm
> for smack that has kept them together in the past.

That bit he's started doing over the last week in preparation. He's
moved out of the town where all his druggy mates live, got a new job
miles away, & handed over his bank cards & gear so someone else can
control his intake. Breaking off from all his mates will be the hard
part, as he thinks he'll be fine to sit there watching them smoke or
inject once he's been clean for a few weeks.

> He is likely to
> need substantial support in the early stages and anyone who "signs
> up" to do this needs to take into account the possibility/probability
> that he may fail fairly quickly and return to his addiction.

Highly likely imo if he doesn't change his attitude towards his
'friends'. I'm trying to get him to accept this, & if he doesn't, I'm
not sure I'll want to be involved.

> Good luck, I hope it works out for him.

Thanks.

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Dave Emerson

"Krusty" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:5f6chlF3au9dvU1@mid.individual.net...
> TMack wrote:
>> Apart from having to deal with his fear of coping without the drug he
>> is probably also looking at a major change of lifestyle if he is
>> serious. Assuming that he is mixing with other addicts (odds-on)
>> then he will have to abandon his fellow drug-takers, which means
>> breaking off relationships and the comfort of the shared enthusiasm
>> for smack that has kept them together in the past.
>
> That bit he's started doing over the last week in preparation. He's
> moved out of the town where all his druggy mates live, got a new job
> miles away, & handed over his bank cards & gear so someone else can
> control his intake. Breaking off from all his mates will be the hard
> part, as he thinks he'll be fine to sit there watching them smoke or
> inject once he's been clean for a few weeks.
>
>> He is likely to
>> need substantial support in the early stages and anyone who "signs
>> up" to do this needs to take into account the possibility/probability
>> that he may fail fairly quickly and return to his addiction.
>
> Highly likely imo if he doesn't change his attitude towards his
> 'friends'. I'm trying to get him to accept this, & if he doesn't, I'm
> not sure I'll want to be involved.

It sounds like he's found a real friend in you.
Let's just hope he's got a strong enough grasp of reality to recognise it.
>
>> Good luck, I hope it works out for him.

AOL


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Krusty

Dave Emerson wrote:

>
> "Krusty" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
> news:5f6chlF3au9dvU1@mid.individual.net...
> > TMack wrote:
> >
> > > He is likely to
> > > need substantial support in the early stages and anyone who "signs
> > > up" to do this needs to take into account the
> > > possibility/probability that he may fail fairly quickly and
> > > return to his addiction.
> >
> > Highly likely imo if he doesn't change his attitude towards his
> > 'friends'. I'm trying to get him to accept this, & if he doesn't,
> > I'm not sure I'll want to be involved.
>
> It sounds like he's found a real friend in you.
> Let's just hope he's got a strong enough grasp of reality to
> recognise it.

He does now. Whether that's the case after 24 hours of cold turkey
remains to be seen...


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