OT: The Sorrow And The Pity

For anyone with an interest in the history of France during the Nazi
occupation, BBC FOUR are showing The Sorrow And The Pity tonight
from 7pm to 9pm (part one) and 9.30pm to 11.40pm (part two).

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ogden wrote:
> For anyone with an interest in the history of France during the Nazi
> occupation, BBC FOUR are showing The Sorrow And The Pity tonight
> from 7pm to 9pm (part one) and 9.30pm to 11.40pm (part two).

Jesus, you just know what this thread will turn into when Des gets
going. He's only been back a couple of weeks and we've already redone
the constitution, is he really French, supermarkets, frog & rosbif -
terms of endearment or insult, endless "France is better", a war of
words with TOG and now we've got the second world war to look forward
to. I'm considering killing this thread right now

--
Alan
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:32:02 +0000 (UTC), "Alan"
<alanb_stard@nospam.btopenworld.com> wrote:

>ogden wrote:
>> For anyone with an interest in the history of France during the Nazi
>> occupation, BBC FOUR are showing The Sorrow And The Pity tonight
>> from 7pm to 9pm (part one) and 9.30pm to 11.40pm (part two).
>
>Jesus, you just know what this thread will turn into when Des gets
>going. He's only been back a couple of weeks and we've already redone
>the constitution, is he really French, supermarkets, frog & rosbif -
>terms of endearment or insult, endless "France is better", a war of
>words with TOG and now we've got the second world war to look forward
>to. I'm considering killing this thread right now

It's also the 19th anniversary of the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior.

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Alan wrote
>ogden wrote:
>> For anyone with an interest in the history of France during the Nazi
>> occupation, BBC FOUR are showing The Sorrow And The Pity tonight
>> from 7pm to 9pm (part one) and 9.30pm to 11.40pm (part two).
>
>Jesus, you just know what this thread will turn into when Des gets
>going. He's only been back a couple of weeks and we've already redone
>the constitution, is he really French, supermarkets, frog & rosbif -
>terms of endearment or insult, endless "France is better", a war of
>words with TOG and now we've got the second world war to look forward
>to.

Yebbut try as we might we can't get him to rise on iR1's and florums. I
think we are losing it.

--
steve auvache

ogden <ogden@pre.org> wrote:

> For anyone with an interest in the history of France during the Nazi
> occupation, BBC FOUR are showing The Sorrow And The Pity tonight
> from 7pm to 9pm (part one) and 9.30pm to 11.40pm (part two).

"The Sorrow and the Pity"?

More like "How fast did they roll over and spread 'em?"

The only unoccupied country to collaborate with the Nazis on the
Holocaust.....

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It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember ogden <ogden@pre.org> saying
something like:

>For anyone with an interest in the history of France during the Nazi
>occupation, BBC FOUR are showing The Sorrow And The Pity tonight
>from 7pm to 9pm (part one) and 9.30pm to 11.40pm (part two).

Arse! Missed it.

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It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Salad Dodger
<saladybobs@dsl.pipex.com> saying something like:

>It's also the 19th anniversary of the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior.

Pity they couldn't have sunk the others at the same time.

--

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On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 00:02:54 +0100, The Older Gentleman wrote:

<SNIP La France>

> The only unoccupied country to collaborate with the Nazis on the
> Holocaust.....

Well... arguably Italy.

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Verdigris <verdigris@deadspam.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 00:02:54 +0100, The Older Gentleman wrote:
>
> <SNIP La France>
>
> > The only unoccupied country to collaborate with the Nazis on the
> > Holocaust.....
>
> Well... arguably Italy.

Nope. There might have been some isolated anti-semitism here & there, as
in many (most?) countries, but their state apparatus didn't actively
work at it.

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The Older Gentleman wrote:

> > > The only unoccupied country to collaborate with the Nazis on the
> > > Holocaust.....
> >
> > Well... arguably Italy.
>
> Nope. There might have been some isolated anti-semitism here & there, as
> in many (most?) countries, but their state apparatus didn't actively
> work at it.

Quite the opposite. The Italian fascist state refused to cooperate with
the German 'final solution'.

The Catholic church, however, by its inaction didn't. That alone is a
good enough reason why organised Christianity, IMO, is to be reviled.

Although a great many monastery's and individual members of the Italian
clergy provided shelter for Jews fleeing south. That is a good enough
reason for many individuals to be admired.

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sweller <ng@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> The Older Gentleman wrote:
>
> > > > The only unoccupied country to collaborate with the Nazis on the
> > > > Holocaust.....
> > >
> > > Well... arguably Italy.
> >
> > Nope. There might have been some isolated anti-semitism here & there, as
> > in many (most?) countries, but their state apparatus didn't actively
> > work at it.
>
> Quite the opposite. The Italian fascist state refused to cooperate with
> the German 'final solution'.

I read a quote from an Italian officer, once, to the effect that chasing
Jews was "incompatible with the honour of an Italian officer...."

>
> The Catholic church, however, by its inaction didn't. That alone is a
> good enough reason why organised Christianity, IMO, is to be reviled.

The Church also provided bolt-holes and aid for some very nasty Nazis
after the war.

>
> Although a great many monastery's and individual members of the Italian
> clergy provided shelter for Jews fleeing south. That is a good enough
> reason for many individuals to be admired.

True

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	#1
ogden	OT: The Sorrow And The Pity For anyone with an interest in the history of France during the Nazi occupation, BBC FOUR are showing The Sorrow And The Pity tonight from 7pm to 9pm (part one) and 9.30pm to 11.40pm (part two). -- ogden, b12 (with funky yellow luggage)

	#2
Alan	Re: The Sorrow And The Pity ogden wrote: > For anyone with an interest in the history of France during the Nazi > occupation, BBC FOUR are showing The Sorrow And The Pity tonight > from 7pm to 9pm (part one) and 9.30pm to 11.40pm (part two). Jesus, you just know what this thread will turn into when Des gets going. He's only been back a couple of weeks and we've already redone the constitution, is he really French, supermarkets, frog & rosbif - terms of endearment or insult, endless "France is better", a war of words with TOG and now we've got the second world war to look forward to. I'm considering killing this thread right now -- Alan ZX9R E2 (Green of course) '03 Tiger 955i (A pleasing shade of green)

	#3
Salad Dodger	Re: The Sorrow And The Pity On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:32:02 +0000 (UTC), "Alan" <alanb_stard@nospam.btopenworld.com> wrote: >ogden wrote: >> For anyone with an interest in the history of France during the Nazi >> occupation, BBC FOUR are showing The Sorrow And The Pity tonight >> from 7pm to 9pm (part one) and 9.30pm to 11.40pm (part two). > >Jesus, you just know what this thread will turn into when Des gets >going. He's only been back a couple of weeks and we've already redone >the constitution, is he really French, supermarkets, frog & rosbif - >terms of endearment or insult, endless "France is better", a war of >words with TOG and now we've got the second world war to look forward >to. I'm considering killing this thread right now It's also the 19th anniversary of the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior. -- \| ___ Salad Dodger \|/ \ _/_____\_ GL1500SEV/CBR1100XXX/KH500A8/TS250C \|_\_____/_\| ..66257../..15856.../..3157./.19406 (>\|_\|_\|<) TPPFATUICG#7 DIAABTCOD#9 YTC#4 PM#5 \|__\|_\|__\| BOTAFOT #70 BOTAFOF #09 two#11 WG* \ \|^\| / IbW#0 & KotIbW# BotTOS#6 GP#4 \\|^\|/ ANORAK#17 '^' RBR-Visited:35 Pts: 705 Miles:2429

	#4
steve auvache	Re: The Sorrow And The Pity Alan wrote >ogden wrote: >> For anyone with an interest in the history of France during the Nazi >> occupation, BBC FOUR are showing The Sorrow And The Pity tonight >> from 7pm to 9pm (part one) and 9.30pm to 11.40pm (part two). > >Jesus, you just know what this thread will turn into when Des gets >going. He's only been back a couple of weeks and we've already redone >the constitution, is he really French, supermarkets, frog & rosbif - >terms of endearment or insult, endless "France is better", a war of >words with TOG and now we've got the second world war to look forward >to. Yebbut try as we might we can't get him to rise on iR1's and florums. I think we are losing it. -- steve auvache

	#5
The Older Gentleman	Re: OT: The Sorrow And The Pity ogden <ogden@pre.org> wrote: > For anyone with an interest in the history of France during the Nazi > occupation, BBC FOUR are showing The Sorrow And The Pity tonight > from 7pm to 9pm (part one) and 9.30pm to 11.40pm (part two). "The Sorrow and the Pity"? More like "How fast did they roll over and spread 'em?" The only unoccupied country to collaborate with the Nazis on the Holocaust..... -- Trophy 1200 750SS CB400F CD200 Z200 x2 ST70 DT50MX YTC#3 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 IHABWTJ#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 BOF#30 WUSS#5 http://www.chateau.murray.dsl.pipex.com/

	#6
Grimly Curmudgeon	Re: OT: The Sorrow And The Pity It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember ogden <ogden@pre.org> saying something like: >For anyone with an interest in the history of France during the Nazi >occupation, BBC FOUR are showing The Sorrow And The Pity tonight >from 7pm to 9pm (part one) and 9.30pm to 11.40pm (part two). Arse! Missed it. -- Dave GS 850 x2 / SE 6a SbS#6 DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#6 FUB#3 FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19 COSOC#10

	#7
Grimly Curmudgeon	Re: The Sorrow And The Pity It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Salad Dodger <saladybobs@dsl.pipex.com> saying something like: >It's also the 19th anniversary of the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior. Pity they couldn't have sunk the others at the same time. -- Dave GS 850 x2 / SE 6a SbS#6 DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#6 FUB#3 FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19 COSOC#10

	#8
Verdigris	Re: OT: The Sorrow And The Pity On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 00:02:54 +0100, The Older Gentleman wrote: <SNIP La France> > The only unoccupied country to collaborate with the Nazis on the > Holocaust..... Well... arguably Italy. -- Simon - verdant lineone ne t Triumph Tiger. Big trailees - you know they make sense. Z1000 - less sense, more sensation. MAG BOTAFOT#36 two#22 HLR#pi BONY#62 BHaLC#3

	#9
The Older Gentleman	Re: OT: The Sorrow And The Pity Verdigris <verdigris@deadspam.com> wrote: > On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 00:02:54 +0100, The Older Gentleman wrote: > > <SNIP La France> > > > The only unoccupied country to collaborate with the Nazis on the > > Holocaust..... > > Well... arguably Italy. Nope. There might have been some isolated anti-semitism here & there, as in many (most?) countries, but their state apparatus didn't actively work at it. -- Trophy 1200 750SS CB400F CD200 Z200 x2 ST70 DT50MX YTC#3 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 IHABWTJ#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 BOF#30 WUSS#5 http://www.chateau.murray.dsl.pipex.com/

	#10
sweller	Re: OT: The Sorrow And The Pity The Older Gentleman wrote: > > > The only unoccupied country to collaborate with the Nazis on the > > > Holocaust..... > > > > Well... arguably Italy. > > Nope. There might have been some isolated anti-semitism here & there, as > in many (most?) countries, but their state apparatus didn't actively > work at it. Quite the opposite. The Italian fascist state refused to cooperate with the German 'final solution'. The Catholic church, however, by its inaction didn't. That alone is a good enough reason why organised Christianity, IMO, is to be reviled. Although a great many monastery's and individual members of the Italian clergy provided shelter for Jews fleeing south. That is a good enough reason for many individuals to be admired. -- Simon Brighton \| MYSOB: http://www.sweller.co.uk/sob/ England \| MZSOB: http://www.mztech.fsnet.co.uk/

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The Older Gentleman	Re: OT: The Sorrow And The Pity sweller <ng@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: > The Older Gentleman wrote: > > > > > The only unoccupied country to collaborate with the Nazis on the > > > > Holocaust..... > > > > > > Well... arguably Italy. > > > > Nope. There might have been some isolated anti-semitism here & there, as > > in many (most?) countries, but their state apparatus didn't actively > > work at it. > > Quite the opposite. The Italian fascist state refused to cooperate with > the German 'final solution'. I read a quote from an Italian officer, once, to the effect that chasing Jews was "incompatible with the honour of an Italian officer...." > > The Catholic church, however, by its inaction didn't. That alone is a > good enough reason why organised Christianity, IMO, is to be reviled. The Church also provided bolt-holes and aid for some very nasty Nazis after the war. > > Although a great many monastery's and individual members of the Italian > clergy provided shelter for Jews fleeing south. That is a good enough > reason for many individuals to be admired. True -- Trophy 1200 750SS CB400F CD200 Z200 x2 ST70 DT50MX YTC#3 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 IHABWTJ#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 BOF#30 WUSS#5 http://www.chateau.murray.dsl.pipex.com/