Rope

The phone company called to advise me of 'unusually high
activity on our telephone" - to wit, >£80 in premium rate
calls in February.

2 x 13 minute calls to one number at £33.00 on Wednesday
Feb 25th at 18:31 & 18:45

At the time, we know that the PC was being used by youngest
son Mike, looking for an MP3 track for Lesley, with Lesley
looking over his shoulder.

There is a folder in the history containing parts of the
re0dialer program, including a 'licenece.txt' file which
outlines their 'terms of use', including the fact that
calls are charged at £1.50/min, the system will disconnect
after 13 minutes, and give the option to re-connect - calls
should cost £20 (The actual charge works out at >£2.50/min)

They even give their own details:
Futurpago S.L.
Tax Number (CIF) B-83301838
PO BOX 13180
28080 - Madrid - Spain

A complaint has been filed with ICSTIS, and the phone
company have put a bar on 0909 numbers from that line, so
it shouldn't happen again.



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in the Dirt
and a little dirty market town it is, suiable to its name"
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Whinging Courier

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Rope said:

> A complaint has been filed with ICSTIS, and the phone
> company have put a bar on 0909 numbers from that line, so
> it shouldn't happen again.

Spybot search and destroy

http://download.com.com/3000-8022-10....html?tag=list

Or you could install broadband.

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Whinging Courier

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Rope said:

> A complaint has been filed with ICSTIS, and the phone
> company have put a bar on 0909 numbers from that line, so
> it shouldn't happen again.

Spybot search and destroy

http://download.com.com/3000-8022-10....html?tag=list

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dwb

"Rope" <spam@ukrm.net> wrote in message
news:VA.00000f0d.197e101a@ukrm.net...
> At the time, we know that the PC was being used by youngest
> son Mike, looking for an MP3 track for Lesley, with Lesley
> looking over his shoulder.

Are you running windows 2000 or XP pro?

If so, change the admin account password.
Create user accounts for your kids
Set up a Local Computer Policy that locks the PC down and restricts what it
can do - only what you need and apply these restrictions
to your new user accounts.

See if that helps.

Rope

Whinging Courier spoke:
> Spybot search and destroy
>
> http://download.com.com/3000-8022-10....html?tag=list

Got that, and Ad-aware, and Zone Alarm Pro, and AGV

--
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FJ1200, CCM130
"Here we saw Tuxford in the Clays, that is to say, Tuxford
in the Dirt
and a little dirty market town it is, suiable to its name"
Daniel Defoe

Lozzo

Previously on usenet, Rope said...
> Whinging Courier spoke:
> > Spybot search and destroy
> >
> > http://download.com.com/3000-8022-10....html?tag=list
>
> Got that, and Ad-aware, and Zone Alarm Pro, and AGV
^^^

There's the problem, you need a UVEX, man.

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Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.

Whinging Courier

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Lozzo said:

> > Got that, and Ad-aware, and Zone Alarm Pro, and AGV
> ^^^
>
> There's the problem, you need a UVEX, man.

Hein Gericke?

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Lozzo

Previously on usenet, Whinging Courier said...
> In uk.rec.motorcycles, Lozzo said:
>
> > > Got that, and Ad-aware, and Zone Alarm Pro, and AGV
> > ^^^
> >
> > There's the problem, you need a UVEX, man.
>
> Hein Gericke?

Nope, try Moores of Apsley, Hemel Hempstead

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Url for ukrm newbies : http://www.ukrm.net/faq/ukrmscbt.html
http://www.glfuk.com/ for MJK Leathers in the UK.
Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.

Whinging Courier

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Pip said:

> OTOH, something like ZoneAlarm to control which programs can connect
> to the 'net, accompanied by DAP the Download Accelerator to give you
> exact control of what is downloaded would help if you insist on
> maintaining your pikey status. ZA ands DAP are both free, btw.

That won't stop the kids clicking "yes" to every damn request for access
though.

--
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Whinging Courier

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Lozzo said:

> > > There's the problem, you need a UVEX, man.
> >
> > Hein Gericke?
>
> Nope, try Moores of Apsley, Hemel Hempstead

Hahaha! Actually thanks, but that Shoei you sold me is still practically
mint.

--
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Lozzo

Previously on usenet, Rope said...
> Whinging Courier spoke:
> > Have you got a popup stopper?
>
> Yes - google toolbar

It's not that effective. One particular site I visit has regular pop-ups
so I installed the google toolbar. It didn't stop them.

--
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Url for ukrm newbies : http://www.ukrm.net/faq/ukrmscbt.html
http://www.glfuk.com/ for MJK Leathers in the UK.
Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.

Whinging Courier

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Rope said:

> No pop-ups, this all happened in the background.

Blimey! Have you got the immunize function turned on in SpybotS&D?

--
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Lozzo

Previously on usenet, Whinging Courier said...
> In uk.rec.motorcycles, Lozzo said:
>
> > > > There's the problem, you need a UVEX, man.
> > >
> > > Hein Gericke?
> >
> > Nope, try Moores of Apsley, Hemel Hempstead
>
> Hahaha! Actually thanks, but that Shoei you sold me is still practically
> mint.

Raid Shogun in size 58 IIRC

--
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BOTAFOT#57/70a, BOTAFOF#57, MIB#22, TCP#7,
ANORAK#9, DIAABTCOD#14, UKRMT5BB, IBW#013, MIRTTH#15a/16,
BotToS#8, GP#2, SBS#10, SH#3, DFV#14, BONY#9.
Url for ukrm newbies : http://www.ukrm.net/faq/ukrmscbt.html
http://www.glfuk.com/ for MJK Leathers in the UK.
Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.

Whinging Courier

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Lozzo said:

> Raid Shogun in size 58 IIRC

Indeed, Sir. You RC.

The flippin thing's at my missus's place waiting for the fateful day I
can return to the roads

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eric the brave

Rope wrote:

<SNIP>

Remove the modem and go ADSL...



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Whinging Courier

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Lozzo said:

> > Yes - google toolbar
>
> It's not that effective. One particular site I visit has regular pop-ups
> so I installed the google toolbar. It didn't stop them.

Isn't Google toolbar spyware anyway?

--
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CBR1000FL

Rope

Dwb spoke:
> > All done, everyone has their own accounts
>
> Own accounts AND restricted local computer policy? Or just local accounts?

Yes - Mine and SWMBO only are admin accounts

> > > See if that helps.
> >
> > Nope - they can use the web, it is a useful tool for school if nothing
> else!
>
> Yes of course they can use the web - but you can set the GP so that they
> cannot INSTALL anything, or change network settings.
> Which, I would think, would solve your problem of odd software and strange
> dialups.

Of course, but this is a home PC, not a corporate machine. They often use it
for games & stuff, as well as college/school stuff, so that amount of
lock-down *should* not be necessary - which is one reason why this pisses me
off so much!

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FJ1200, CCM130
"Here we saw Tuxford in the Clays, that is to say, Tuxford in the Dirt
and a little dirty market town it is, suiable to its name" Daniel Defoe

Rope

Whinging Courier spoke:
> > No pop-ups, this all happened in the background.
>
> Blimey! Have you got the immunize function turned on in SpybotS&D?

Yup!

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FJ1200, CCM130
"Here we saw Tuxford in the Clays, that is to say, Tuxford in the
Dirt
and a little dirty market town it is, suiable to its name" Daniel
Defoe

Whinging Courier

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Rope said:

> > Blimey! Have you got the immunize function turned on in SpybotS&D?
>
> Yup!

I was going to be one of the first to suggest ADSL but I called it
broadband and cancelled the message after I saw you were with force9.
Dunno, maybe I'm wrong, are force9 a broadband lot?

Anyway, do what the others said innit and ditch the dialup

Oh, you could put those sorts of sites in the restricted zone assuming
you use IE. I wouldn't know how it's done on any other browser, sorry.

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dwb

"Rope" <spam@ukrm.net> wrote in message
news:VA.00000f12.19aa28fe@ukrm.net...
> Of course, but this is a home PC, not a corporate machine. They often use
it
> for games & stuff, as well as college/school stuff, so that amount of
> lock-down *should* not be necessary - which is one reason why this pisses
me
> off so much!

<Shrug> Install Linux.

Mash

> Isn't Google toolbar spyware anyway?

No, its perfectly clean. You can choose the basic one or the advanced one.
The advanced one will report back usage info to help google rate their
pages.

Get broadband and ripp out the modem.

--
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http://learn.3dfluff.com

Whinging Courier

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Mash said:

> No, its perfectly clean. You can choose the basic one or the advanced one.
> The advanced one will report back usage info to help google rate their
> pages.

I didn't know that

> Get broadband and ripp out the modem.

Indeed, you won't regret it. I used to think my dialup was quite quick
but stuff waiting two hours for something I can get in about 5 minutes
now.

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Rope

Eric the brave spoke:
> Remove the modem and go ADSL...

In May!

--
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FJ1200, CCM130
"Here we saw Tuxford in the Clays, that is to say, Tuxford
in the Dirt
and a little dirty market town it is, suiable to its name"
Daniel Defoe

Ben

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:01:10 GMT, Rope <spam@ukrm.net> wrote:

>Whinging Courier spoke:
>> Spybot search and destroy
>>
>> http://download.com.com/3000-8022-10....html?tag=list
>
>Got that, and Ad-aware, and Zone Alarm Pro, and AGV

How about user education?
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but to prevent life escaping from us."
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SteveH

Rope <spam@ukrm.net> wrote:

> Dwb spoke:
> > > All done, everyone has their own accounts
> >
> > Own accounts AND restricted local computer policy? Or just local accounts?
>
> Yes - Mine and SWMBO only are admin accounts
>
> > > > See if that helps.
> > >
> > > Nope - they can use the web, it is a useful tool for school if nothing
> > else!
> >
> > Yes of course they can use the web - but you can set the GP so that they
> > cannot INSTALL anything, or change network settings.
> > Which, I would think, would solve your problem of odd software and strange
> > dialups.
>
> Of course, but this is a home PC, not a corporate machine. They often use it
> for games & stuff, as well as college/school stuff, so that amount of
> lock-down *should* not be necessary - which is one reason why this pisses me
> off so much!

Sir wants a nice little Mac ;-)
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Rexx

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:23:25 GMT, eric the brave scrawled:

> Rope wrote:
>
><SNIP>
>
> Remove the modem and go ADSL...
>
>
>

Either that, or if you can't - get an IP sharer, plug the modem into that
and set the computer up to use the lan connection it supplies. Dialers
can't change the config on it, and if the machine crashes or needs a
restart, the dialup connection won't be lost.
They're a godsend - except when someone else keeps hogging the bandwidth
by browsing ebay when you want to play online games. I can't wait until
adsl gets put in (in a fortnight hopefully!)


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Ben <ukrm@bensales.com> wrote in message
<5kbk40lgaj4pr7f8u5sapeeajijofumsqd@4ax.com>:

>On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:01:10 GMT, Rope <spam@ukrm.net> wrote:
>
>>Whinging Courier spoke:
>>> Spybot search and destroy
>>>
>>> http://download.com.com/3000-8022-10....html?tag=list
>>
>>Got that, and Ad-aware, and Zone Alarm Pro, and AGV
>
>How about user education?

What, you're recommending that Rope goes on a course?

--
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Big Tim

In an earlier posting, spam@ukrm.net wrote...
> The phone company called to advise me of 'unusually high
> activity on our telephone" - to wit, >£80 in premium rate
> calls in February.

[snip dialer hijack stuff]

Having read through all the various replies, the one thing I can add is
do you have the modem speaker switched on?

It won't stop this happening, but bells should start ringing when you
get the dial tone coming out of the speakers every 13 minutes. Though I
suppose they could make the dialer switch off the modem as well as
hijack it.

I'll go back to lurking...

--
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[RD400E, B12, XR400R - in length of service order]

Rope

Big Tim spoke:
> Having read through all the various replies, the one
> thing I can add is
> do you have the modem speaker
> switched on?
>
> It won't stop this happening, but bells should start
> ringing when you
> get the dial tone coming out of the
> speakers every 13 minutes. Though I
> suppose they
> could make the dialer switch off the modem as well as
> hijack it.

Exactly.

> I'll go back to lurking...

Byee.

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UKRM(at)indqualtec.co.uk
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FJ1200, CCM130
"Here we saw Tuxford in the Clays, that is to say, Tuxford
in the Dirt
and a little dirty market town it is, suiable to its name"
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Vic

"Rope" <spam@ukrm.net> wrote in message
news:VA.00000f12.19aa28fe@ukrm.net

> Of course, but this is a home PC, not a corporate machine.

Doesn't matter. It's a powerful number-cruncher with a world-wide
connection. If it's not protected, it'll soon be a spam-proxy.

> They often use it for games & stuff, as well as college/school stuff

But what do *other people* use it for?

> so that amount of lock-down *should* not be necessary

You're assuming that everyone who sends packets to your machine is as
friendly and honest as you are. This isn't the case...

You need to secure your PC for the same reason you need to secure your
bike - because if you don't, someone will make off with it.

> which is one reason why this pisses me off so much!

Once users start to take security more seriously, the global spam
problem might start to reduce a bit. But I'm not going to hold my
breath.

Vic.


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Rope

Vic spoke:
> > so that amount of lock-down *should* not be necessary
>
> You're assuming that everyone who sends packets to your machine is as
> friendly and honest as you are. This isn't the case...

Do tell!

> You need to secure your PC for the same reason you need to secure your
> bike - because if you don't, someone will make off with it.
>
> > which is one reason why this pisses me off so much!
>
> Once users start to take security more seriously, the global spam
> problem might start to reduce a bit. But I'm not going to hold my
> breath.

Lookit! - I have ZoneAlarm Pro or Norton firewall, Ad-Aware, Spybot S&D
and NAV or AVG on every machine here

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FJ1200, CCM130
"Here we saw Tuxford in the Clays, that is to say, Tuxford in the Dirt
and a little dirty market town it is, suiable to its name" Daniel
Defoe

Vic

"Rope" <spam@ukrm.net> wrote in message
news:VA.00000f1b.1dc6c748@ukrm.net

> > You need to secure your PC for the same reason you need to secure your
> > bike - because if you don't, someone will make off with it.
>
> Lookit! - I have ZoneAlarm Pro or Norton firewall, Ad-Aware, Spybot S&D
> and NAV or AVG on every machine here

Right, so your bike has alarms, immobiliser, chains, and a garage. Do
you let anyone off the street take it out for a blat?

The trick is to keep control of your keys and lend them only to those
people you *know* won't abuse your trust. So it is with PCs - when a
window pops up to say you've got to do something, mistrust it until you
know it is trustworthy.

Additionally, just as you'd make sure both front and back doors of the
garage are shut, so you should make sure all entry points to your PC are
controlled. That means that, if you must use IE / OE etc., make sure
you've turned off all those "helpful" things they keep putting in.
Otherwise, you end up executing every malware sent you by every script
kiddie in christendom...

Vic.





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Muck

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:01:10 +0000, Rope wrote:

> Whinging Courier spoke:
>> Spybot search and destroy
>>
>> http://download.com.com/3000-8022-10....html?tag=list
>
> Got that, and Ad-aware, and Zone Alarm Pro, and AGV

Heh, you're using IE as a web browser aren't you?

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Rope

Vic spoke:
> > Lookit! - I have ZoneAlarm Pro or Norton firewall, Ad-Aware, Spybot S&D
> > and NAV or AVG on every machine here
>
> Right, so your bike has alarms, immobiliser, chains, and a garage. Do
> you let anyone off the street take it out for a blat?
>
> The trick is to keep control of your keys and lend them only to those
> people you *know* won't abuse your trust. So it is with PCs - when a
> window pops up to say you've got to do something, mistrust it until you
> know it is trustworthy.

Er... riiiight....

At the last count we have 8 pcs in the house, counting 2 ancient P1s, 1
borked laptop, 1 semi-borked lap-top, 1 old P2-300 games only PC, the main
'family' PC with 'net access for use by SMBO and 18y/o daughter for their
college work, and 1 teenage son for school work, plus Ross's own lap-top to
help with his dyslexia. Plus this one, my own main working lap-top.

Now come and sort out the security on that lot, without me having to be on
hand every time anyone wants to do anything other than fire up Word or
something.

> Additionally, just as you'd make sure both front and back doors of the
> garage are shut, so you should make sure all entry points to your PC are
> controlled. That means that, if you must use IE / OE etc., make sure
> you've turned off all those "helpful" things they keep putting in.
> Otherwise, you end up executing every malware sent you by every script
> kiddie in christendom...

Psssst! - I've worked[1] in IT for around 20 years.
Take a look at the headers - I don't use OE or any of those 'helpful' thing
MS keeps offering me.

[1] Well, YKWIM
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FJ1200, CCM130
"Here we saw Tuxford in the Clays, that is to say, Tuxford in the Dirt
and a little dirty market town it is, suiable to its name" Daniel Defoe

Ginge

In article <VA.00000f1c.1e86192b@ukrm.net>, Rope says...
> At the last count we have 8 pcs in the house, counting 2 ancient P1s, 1
> borked laptop, 1 semi-borked lap-top, 1 old P2-300 games only PC, the main
> 'family' PC with 'net access for use by SMBO and 18y/o daughter for their
> college work, and 1 teenage son for school work, plus Ross's own lap-top to
> help with his dyslexia. Plus this one, my own main working lap-top.
>
> Now come and sort out the security on that lot, without me having to be on
> hand every time anyone wants to do anything other than fire up Word or
> something.

Why don't you network them, and set the modem up to hang off the back of
a standalone linux firewall, one with an HTTP proxy server on it.

You can then:

A) not worry about a winodws program running it's own dialler
B) Set all the sites you don't want accessing in one place
C) Put in *any* port filtering you see fit.
D) Run a single DHCP and DNS server for any machine on your home
network.

Muck

On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 18:17:45 +0000, Ginge wrote:

> In article <VA.00000f1c.1e86192b@ukrm.net>, Rope says...
>> At the last count we have 8 pcs in the house, counting 2 ancient P1s, 1
>> borked laptop, 1 semi-borked lap-top, 1 old P2-300 games only PC, the main
>> 'family' PC with 'net access for use by SMBO and 18y/o daughter for their
>> college work, and 1 teenage son for school work, plus Ross's own lap-top to
>> help with his dyslexia. Plus this one, my own main working lap-top.
>>
>> Now come and sort out the security on that lot, without me having to be on
>> hand every time anyone wants to do anything other than fire up Word or
>> something.
>
> Why don't you network them, and set the modem up to hang off the back of
> a standalone linux firewall, one with an HTTP proxy server on it.
>
> You can then:
>
> A) not worry about a winodws program running it's own dialler
> B) Set all the sites you don't want accessing in one place
> C) Put in *any* port filtering you see fit.
> D) Run a single DHCP and DNS server for any machine on your home
> network.

I used an SMC Barricade router with a 56k modem to good effect.. not as
jucy as a PC either, a lot smaller too.

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Vic

"Rope" <spam@ukrm.net> wrote in message
news:VA.00000f1c.1e86192b@ukrm.net

> At the last count we have 8 pcs in the house

I'm down to 5 PCs, 4 Sparcs, an SGI Indy, and an HP-9000. I occasionally
have the odd "project" on the network as well. Spookily enough, I've yet
to get hit by anything - and I've never run up a phone bill like that
getting MP3s, either...

Yes, there's a bit of work to do to secure it. There are some useful
recommendations elsewhere in this thread. It's your choice whether or
not to do this, just as it's your choice whether or not to lock your
bike when you leave it. The results are rather similar, too...

> Psssst! - I've worked[1] in IT for around 20 years.

Really? Do you not secure networks as standard practice?

Vic.


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