Muck

Must be for those Christians who never actually go to church.

http://www.i-church.org/

--
Muck
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"There's no place like ::1"
Remove _TEETH_ to e-mail

Cane

"Muck" <mr.muck@vir_TEETH_gin.net> wrote in message
newsan.2004.03.06.00.10.23.735663@vir_TEETH_gin. net...

> Must be for those Christians who never actually go to church.
>
> http://www.i-church.org/

Given that God only exists in simple people's heads it rather appropriate.

--
cane ¦ fireblade, r30

deadmail@burnt.org.uk

"Cane" <enac@ukrm.org> wrote in message
<c2brad$1qjdto$1@ID-97762.news.uni-berlin.de>:

>"Muck" <mr.muck@vir_TEETH_gin.net> wrote in message
>newsan.2004.03.06.00.10.23.735663@vir_TEETH_gin .net...
>
>> Must be for those Christians who never actually go to church.
>>
>> http://www.i-church.org/
>
>Given that God only exists in simple people's heads it rather appropriate.

I never cease to be amazed by the way people make this sort of
statement.

Whilst I find it hard to believe that God exists, I have no basis in
fact to prove he *doesn't* exist. I suspect he doesn't exist but I
don't know this to be a fact.

--
it's better to burn out than fade away

Cane

<deadmail@burnt.org.uk> wrote in message
news:v77j4091j37hnoguu7t51vjq2prt8a34od@4ax.com...

> >> Must be for those Christians who never actually go to church.
> >>
> >> http://www.i-church.org/
> >
> >Given that God only exists in simple people's heads it rather
appropriate.
>
> I never cease to be amazed by the way people make this sort of
> statement.

Don't you 'people' me laddie.

> Whilst I find it hard to believe that God exists, I have no basis in
> fact to prove he *doesn't* exist. I suspect he doesn't exist but I
> don't know this to be a fact.

I don't give it any thought at all... It's bollocks, end of story.

--
cane ¦ fireblade, r30

sweller

Molly wrote:

> > I don't give it any thought at all... It's bollocks, end of story.
>
> Brother Cane, I respect you for your beliefs.

Turn the other cheek one more time and I'll smite you down with this
shovel.

--
Simon

Brighton | MYSOB: http://www.sweller.co.uk/sob/
England | MZSOB: http://www.mztech.fsnet.co.uk/

Zobo Kolonie

<deadmail@burnt.org.uk> wrote in message
news:v77j4091j37hnoguu7t51vjq2prt8a34od@4ax.com...
> "Cane" <enac@ukrm.org> wrote in message
> <c2brad$1qjdto$1@ID-97762.news.uni-berlin.de>:
>
> >"Muck" <mr.muck@vir_TEETH_gin.net> wrote in message
> >newsan.2004.03.06.00.10.23.735663@vir_TEETH_gin .net...
> >
> >> Must be for those Christians who never actually go to church.
> >>
> >> http://www.i-church.org/
> >
> >Given that God only exists in simple people's heads it rather
appropriate.
>
> I never cease to be amazed by the way people make this sort of
> statement.
>
> Whilst I find it hard to believe that God exists, I have no basis in
> fact to prove he *doesn't* exist. I suspect he doesn't exist but I
> don't know this to be a fact.
>
So, about these little purple people who live on the surface of the sun,
they've got a wonderful investment opportunity for which you have been
specially selected to become a gilt edged subscriber... make cheques payable
to The Church of Kolonie :-)
--
ZK - When I die accelerate my body to light speed, I always wanted a burial
at c

Colonel Tupperware

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:43:51 +0000, deadmail@burnt.org.uk wrote:

> "Cane" <enac@ukrm.org> wrote in message
><c2brad$1qjdto$1@ID-97762.news.uni-berlin.de>:
>
>>"Muck" <mr.muck@vir_TEETH_gin.net> wrote in message
>>newsan.2004.03.06.00.10.23.735663@vir_TEETH_gi n.net...
>>
>>> Must be for those Christians who never actually go to church.
>>>
>>> http://www.i-church.org/
>>
>>Given that God only exists in simple people's heads it rather appropriate.
>
>I never cease to be amazed by the way people make this sort of
>statement.
>
Why? To wind you up of course.
Works every time.

>Whilst I find it hard to believe that God exists, I have no basis in
>fact to prove he *doesn't* exist. I suspect he doesn't exist but I
>don't know this to be a fact.

Go to a hilltop in a thunderstorm wearing a copper helemt and shout
"All gods are bastards!"
It is the only way to find out.

--
ColonelTupperware
spouting bollocks on Usenet since 1997

Whinging Courier

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Colonel Tupperware said:

> Go to a hilltop in a thunderstorm wearing a copper helemt and shout
> "All gods are bastards!"
> It is the only way to find out.

God might get more amusement out of watching you stand on a hilltop in a
thunderstorm wearing a copper helmet shouting "all gods are bastards"
than smite you down.

--
Smile...tomorrow will be worse
CBR1000FL

Colonel Tupperware

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 19:44:52 -0000, Whinging Courier
<markonusenetTAKEITAWAY@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>In uk.rec.motorcycles, Colonel Tupperware said:
>
>> Go to a hilltop in a thunderstorm wearing a copper helemt and shout
>> "All gods are bastards!"
>> It is the only way to find out.
>
>God might get more amusement out of watching you stand on a hilltop in a
>thunderstorm wearing a copper helmet shouting "all gods are bastards"
>than smite you down.

Yebbut _one_ of 'em will take it all personal like.
Then they'll do a quick manifestation with an umbrella in hand and say
"NO, not a_all_ of us. I'm not, but I take your point, that Buddah
fella, all peace and love on the outside, but you get in front of him
in the canteen queue and you'll see his true self. Bastard spilt hot
gravy all down my leg yesterday."

--
ColonelTupperware
spouting bollocks on Usenet since 1997

Cane

"serf" <serf@nospamthanx.com> wrote in message
news:c2df28$cvk$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...

> > > >Given that God only exists in simple people's heads it rather
> > appropriate.
> > >
> > > I never cease to be amazed by the way people make this sort of
> > > statement.
> >
> > Don't you 'people' me laddie.
> >
> > > Whilst I find it hard to believe that God exists, I have no basis
> in
> > > fact to prove he *doesn't* exist. I suspect he doesn't exist but
> I
> > > don't know this to be a fact.
> >
> > I don't give it any thought at all... It's bollocks, end of story.
>
> Is that a prerequisite for success in business - label all
> philosophical considerations as unnecessary brainwork (waste of time,
> distraction, etc)?

What do you think?

--
cane ¦ fireblade, r30

Cane

"serf" <serf@nospamthanx.com> wrote in message
news:c2dga3$n6t$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...

> > What do you think?
>
> My opinion is irrelevant

That's where you and I differ.

--
cane ¦ fireblade, r30

deadmail@burnt.org.uk

"Cane" <enac@ukrm.org> wrote in message
<c2c7do$1rbqpf$1@ID-97762.news.uni-berlin.de>:

><deadmail@burnt.org.uk> wrote in message
>news:v77j4091j37hnoguu7t51vjq2prt8a34od@4ax.com.. .
>
>> >> Must be for those Christians who never actually go to church.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.i-church.org/
>> >
>> >Given that God only exists in simple people's heads it rather
>appropriate.
>>
>> I never cease to be amazed by the way people make this sort of
>> statement.
>
>Don't you 'people' me laddie.

I made a follow up. I didn't 'people' you specifically, sonny.

>
>> Whilst I find it hard to believe that God exists, I have no basis in
>> fact to prove he *doesn't* exist. I suspect he doesn't exist but I
>> don't know this to be a fact.
>
>I don't give it any thought at all... It's bollocks, end of story.

You don't give it any thought at all and yet you know "it's bollocks,
end of story". Well, you must have given it some thought to arrive at
that conclusion. And anyway, you seem to post on religion on a regular
basis; mainly to say it's bollocks, quite evangelical really.

What happened, did the vicar interfere with you when you were in the
choir?

--
it's better to burn out than fade away

Whinging Courier

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Molly said:

> TBH mate, I've had enough of cheek turning to last me a lifetime.

Yes, but now you've got enough for everybody ;-)

--
Smile...tomorrow will be worse
CBR1000FL

Martian

Cane wrote:
> "Muck" <mr.muck@vir_TEETH_gin.net> wrote in message
> newsan.2004.03.06.00.10.23.735663@vir_TEETH_gin. net...
>
>
>>Must be for those Christians who never actually go to church.
>>
>>http://www.i-church.org/
>
>
> Given that God only exists in simple people's heads it rather appropriate.
>

It's the only way they can get their heads around the chaos that is
life. I can understand what they are getting at and accept their
beliefs what I find difficult is that they will not see it any other way
than their way.

closed minded IYSWIM.

--
Martian:
"For a minute there, you bored me to death."
Bandit 600, TDR250 http://ukrm.net/BIKES/Yamaha/tdr250.html, MZ ETZ 125
martin dot smith nine zero three at ntlworld dot com

Whinging Courier

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Martian said:

> It's the only way they can get their heads around the chaos that is
> life. I can understand what they are getting at and accept their
> beliefs what I find difficult is that they will not see it any other way
> than their way.

Where did we come from then?
Is this really happening or is it a figment of our imagination? In fact,
is it a figment of someone elses imagination? How do you know that we
are not so infinitely small that reality ceases to exist?...

> closed minded IYSWIM.

"I could do this all day"

--
Smile...tomorrow will be worse
CBR1000FL

Martian

deadmail@burnt.org.uk wrote:
> "Cane" <enac@ukrm.org> wrote in message
> <c2c7do$1rbqpf$1@ID-97762.news.uni-berlin.de>:
>
>
>><deadmail@burnt.org.uk> wrote in message
>>news:v77j4091j37hnoguu7t51vjq2prt8a34od@4ax.com. ..
[snip]
> You don't give it any thought at all and yet you know "it's bollocks,
> end of story". Well, you must have given it some thought to arrive at
> that conclusion. And anyway, you seem to post on religion on a regular
> basis; mainly to say it's bollocks, quite evangelical really.

religion = posh cult.

--
Martian:
"For a minute there, you bored me to death."
Bandit 600, TDR250 http://ukrm.net/BIKES/Yamaha/tdr250.html, MZ ETZ 125
martin dot smith nine zero three at ntlworld dot com

Martian

serf wrote:
> Cane wrote:
>
>>serf wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>What do you think?
>>>
>>>My opinion is irrelevant
>>
>>That's where you and I differ.
>
>
> The _only_ difference? <fx: boggle>
>
> Cane is now high up on my list of people I'd love to buy a beer.
>

I smell sarcasm

--
Martian:
"For a minute there, you bored me to death."
Bandit 600, TDR250 http://ukrm.net/BIKES/Yamaha/tdr250.html, MZ ETZ 125
martin dot smith nine zero three at ntlworld dot com

Ben Blaney

serf wrote:

>Cane is now high up on my list of people I'd love to buy a beer.

You'll have to make it a vodka and tonic.

--
Ben Blaney

deadmail@burnt.org.uk

Martian <martian@mars.com> wrote in message
<404AED12.2060707@mars.com>:

>deadmail@burnt.org.uk wrote:

>> You don't give it any thought at all and yet you know "it's bollocks,
>> end of story". Well, you must have given it some thought to arrive at
>> that conclusion. And anyway, you seem to post on religion on a regular
>> basis; mainly to say it's bollocks, quite evangelical really.
>
>religion = posh cult.

eh?

Care to expand on that?

--
it's better to burn out than fade away

Colin Irvine

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 01:00:41 -0000, Whinging Courier
<markonusenetTAKEITAWAY@yahoo.co.uk> squeezed out the following:

>In uk.rec.motorcycles, Martian said:
>
>> It's the only way they can get their heads around the chaos that is
>> life. I can understand what they are getting at and accept their
>> beliefs what I find difficult is that they will not see it any other way
>> than their way.
>
>Where did we come from then?

Irrelevant. If you define God simply as whatever was responsible for
us being here then of course it exists. Generally the word "God" is
used much more precisely.

--
Colin Irvine
YZF1000R BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5
http://www.colin.irvine.dsl.pipex.com/

Whinging Courier

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Colin Irvine said:

> >> It's the only way they can get their heads around the chaos that is
> >> life. I can understand what they are getting at and accept their
> >> beliefs what I find difficult is that they will not see it any other way
> >> than their way.
> >
> >Where did we come from then?
>
> Irrelevant. If you define God simply as whatever was responsible for
> us being here then of course it exists. Generally the word "God" is
> used much more precisely.

For me God is the reason everything happens, including my existence. I
don't know about your existence because you might not actually be here,
but my brain might be tricked into thinking you are.

--
Smile...tomorrow will be worse
CBR1000FL

Cane

<deadmail@burnt.org.uk> wrote in message
news:dlkk40pcrglj2l116d6k65s85glnbeotoc@4ax.com...

> >> >> Must be for those Christians who never actually go to church.
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.i-church.org/
> >> >
> >> >Given that God only exists in simple people's heads it rather
> >appropriate.
> >>
> >> I never cease to be amazed by the way people make this sort of
> >> statement.
> >
> >Don't you 'people' me laddie.
>
> I made a follow up. I didn't 'people' you specifically, sonny.
>
> >> Whilst I find it hard to believe that God exists, I have no basis in
> >> fact to prove he *doesn't* exist. I suspect he doesn't exist but I
> >> don't know this to be a fact.
> >
> >I don't give it any thought at all... It's bollocks, end of story.
>
> You don't give it any thought at all and yet you know "it's bollocks,
> end of story". Well, you must have given it some thought to arrive at
> that conclusion. And anyway, you seem to post on religion on a regular
> basis; mainly to say it's bollocks, quite evangelical really.

heh, I gave it some thought years ago, realised it was a scam and have
disregarded it ever since with no more trouble than the tooth fairy and
monsters in the cupboard.

I don't respect other peoples faith at all. In fact when someone tells me
they're religious it dissapoints me and my estimation of them falls in the
same way it would if they told me they thought the earth flat.

> What happened, did the vicar interfere with you when you were in the
> choir?

Other way round actually.

--
cane ¦ fireblade, r30

Cane

<deadmail@burnt.org.uk> wrote in message
news:jsjl40pto59dpvcopi9k2od8m17dkm43v2@4ax.com...

> >> You don't give it any thought at all and yet you know "it's bollocks,
> >> end of story". Well, you must have given it some thought to arrive at
> >> that conclusion. And anyway, you seem to post on religion on a regular
> >> basis; mainly to say it's bollocks, quite evangelical really.
> >
> >religion = posh cult.
>
> eh?
>
> Care to expand on that?

I don't get it either.

--
cane ¦ fireblade, r30

Cane

"Whinging Courier" <markonusenetTAKEITAWAY@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ab484921fd7b548989c96@news.individual.ne t...

> > It's the only way they can get their heads around the chaos that is
> > life. I can understand what they are getting at and accept their
> > beliefs what I find difficult is that they will not see it any other way
> > than their way.
>
> Where did we come from then?
> Is this really happening or is it a figment of our imagination? In fact,
> is it a figment of someone elses imagination? How do you know that we
> are not so infinitely small that reality ceases to exist?...

You know what Mark, you've convinced me with such a strong argument. In the
absence of an answer lets attribute everything to a mystical, magical being.

Wicked. I'm off to chant in front of a celibate man in a long dress in the
hope of immortality.

--
cane | fireblade, r30

Whinging Courier

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Martian said:

> > Ha! So who created the cosmic chicken?
>
> The big bang, who else?

The big bang was what made our universe (allegedly). I reckon it could
just as easily be some quack in a lab somewhere working on nuclear
fission and petri dishes. We could actually be so infinitely small that
the universe as we know it could just be a petri dish and we are no more
than cultured bacteria.

> Do you know nothing?

I know quite a few things.

> Using the term cosmic suggests
> > you accept there are / is something out there far bigger than ourselves.
>
> There is and it is constantly expanding at the speed of light.

Wrong. All that statement proves is that we can't see to the edge of the
universe.

> > Too big to comprehend even!
>
> Could be, could very well be.
>
> So, how big would that be then?

Bigger than a mere mortal such as me can articulate. I've seen
(imagined) it in moments of inspired consciousness but there's no way I
could ever answer a question as big as that in my lifetime.

> how do you know that when you sit on your chair it will hold your weight?

It doesn't hold my weight at all. Gravity is keeping my chair on the
floor and gravity is keeping me on the chair. It's not that the chair
can hold my weight but it's gravity that's preventing me from breaking
it.

--
Smile...tomorrow will be worse
CBR1000FL

Cane

"Whinging Courier" <markonusenetTAKEITAWAY@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ab515fd24013cfa989ca5@news.individual.ne t...

> Wrong. All that statement proves is that we can't see to the edge of the
> universe.

Aha.. sounds like there must be a God after all.

What about people who worship 'other Gods' ? Should we kill them? It says so
in the Bible.

--
cane | fireblade, r30

Whinging Courier

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Cane said:

> > Where did we come from then?
> > Is this really happening or is it a figment of our imagination? In fact,
> > is it a figment of someone elses imagination? How do you know that we
> > are not so infinitely small that reality ceases to exist?...
>
> You know what Mark, you've convinced me with such a strong argument. In the
> absence of an answer lets attribute everything to a mystical, magical being.
>
> Wicked. I'm off to chant in front of a celibate man in a long dress in the
> hope of immortality.

I *am* going to answer this but I've not even had a cup of coffee yet
this morning. Bear with me and I *will* be back.

--
Smile...tomorrow will be worse
CBR1000FL

Paul Corfield

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 11:21:15 -0000, "Cane" <enac@ukrm.org> wrote:

>"Whinging Courier" <markonusenetTAKEITAWAY@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:MPG.1ab484921fd7b548989c96@news.individual.n et...
>
>> > It's the only way they can get their heads around the chaos that is
>> > life. I can understand what they are getting at and accept their
>> > beliefs what I find difficult is that they will not see it any other way
>> > than their way.
>>
>> Where did we come from then?
>> Is this really happening or is it a figment of our imagination? In fact,
>> is it a figment of someone elses imagination? How do you know that we
>> are not so infinitely small that reality ceases to exist?...
>
>You know what Mark, you've convinced me with such a strong argument. In the
>absence of an answer lets attribute everything to a mystical, magical being.
>
>Wicked. I'm off to chant in front of a celibate man in a long dress in the
>hope of immortality.

Did you lose again against darsy? You're sounding a bit cynical today.
--
Paul C - "the big camp bastard" (tm d.a.r.s.y)
VFR800 | ZX6R | R1150GS
BOD#5, two#4, BOTAFOT#23, BOTAFOF#4, URMSBC#09, COFF#09
Admits to working for London Underground!

AndrewR

"Whinging Courier" <markonusenetTAKEITAWAY@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ab515fd24013cfa989ca5@news.individual.ne t...

<SNIP>

> It doesn't hold my weight at all. Gravity is keeping my chair on the
> floor and gravity is keeping me on the chair. It's not that the chair
> can hold my weight but it's gravity that's preventing me from breaking
> it.

How does gravity prevent you from breaking the chair? Come on, I'm
fascinated.


--
AndrewR, D.Bot (Celeritas)
Kawasaki ZX-6R J1
BOTAFOT#2,ITJWTFO#6,UKRMRM#1/13a,MCT#1,DFV#2,SKoGA#0 (and KotL)
BotToS#5,SBS#25,IbW#34, TEAR#3 (and KotL), DS#5, COSOC#9, KotTFSTR#
The speccy Geordie twat.

Colin Irvine

On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 02:21:18 +0000, Martian <martian@mars.com>
squeezed out the following:

>Whinging Courier wrote:
>> In uk.rec.motorcycles, Martian said:
>>
>>
>>>>Where did we come from then?
>>>
>>>The egg of course, laid by the great cosmic chicken you fool!
>>>
>>>Where else?
>>
>>
>> Ha! So who created the cosmic chicken?
>
>The big bang, who else?

The almighty pop?

--
Colin Irvine
YZF1000R BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5
http://www.colin.irvine.dsl.pipex.com/

Simon Atkinson

Cane said:

>What about people who worship 'other Gods' ? Should we kill them? It says so
>in the Bible.

It's probably all for the best... What's the highest priority though?
Other Gods or the Godless? I don't want to start the project without a
proper PID.
--
Simes
Return address ROT'd...

Whinging Courier

In uk.rec.motorcycles, AndrewR said:


> > It doesn't hold my weight at all. Gravity is keeping my chair on the
> > floor and gravity is keeping me on the chair. It's not that the chair
> > can hold my weight but it's gravity that's preventing me from breaking
> > it.
>
> How does gravity prevent you from breaking the chair? Come on, I'm
> fascinated.

Yes that was rather weakly explained, wasn't it? :-)

I mean that biological materials like wood, oxygen, carbon and stuff all
have their own way of binding together to form other objects or
entities.

If these are bound together in such a way as to make it possible to take
the weight of me x gravity to the power of whatever, it's going to be in
a position of..... Oh Christ, I really wish I'd paid attention at school
now. I really know what I want to say but a lack education has dulled my
ability to prove with any reasonable laudableness what I want to say :-(

--
Smile...tomorrow will be worse
CBR1000FL

Whinging Courier

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Cane said:

> You know what Mark, you've convinced me with such a strong argument. In the
> absence of an answer lets attribute everything to a mystical, magical being.
>
> Wicked. I'm off to chant in front of a celibate man in a long dress in the
> hope of immortality.

You see! There *was* a reason for Molly coming out! ;-)

--
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CBR1000FL

Martian

deadmail@burnt.org.uk wrote:
> Martian <martian@mars.com> wrote in message
> <404AED12.2060707@mars.com>:
>
>
>>deadmail@burnt.org.uk wrote:
>
>
>>>You don't give it any thought at all and yet you know "it's bollocks,
>>>end of story". Well, you must have given it some thought to arrive at
>>>that conclusion. And anyway, you seem to post on religion on a regular
>>>basis; mainly to say it's bollocks, quite evangelical really.
>>
>>religion = posh cult.
>
>
> eh?
>
> Care to expand on that?
>

Well, "religion" has more acceptance in society due to it being deemed
"normal" however a cult has the image of being tawdry, seedy,
underground and not wholly acceptable due to its lack of popularity, I
should maybe have said:

religion = popular cult.

the posh bit comes from the cash generation side of religion and the
associated level of wealth associated i.e. beemers outside the
worshipping hall etc.

--
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"For a minute there, you bored me to death."
Bandit 600, TDR250 http://ukrm.net/BIKES/Yamaha/tdr250.html, MZ ETZ 125
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Martian

Whinging Courier wrote:
> In uk.rec.motorcycles, Martian said:
>
>
>>>Ha! So who created the cosmic chicken?
>>
>>The big bang, who else?
>
>
> The big bang was what made our universe (allegedly). I reckon it could
> just as easily be some quack in a lab somewhere working on nuclear
> fission and petri dishes. We could actually be so infinitely small that
> the universe as we know it could just be a petri dish and we are no more
> than cultured bacteria.

Yeah, but who made the quack's universe then (chicken and egg)?
>
>>Do you know nothing?
>
>
> I know quite a few things.

That wasn't what I asked, read again. I don't know nothing however the
buddhists try to reach that state when meditating.
>
>>Using the term cosmic suggests
>>
>>>you accept there are / is something out there far bigger than ourselves.
>>
>>There is and it is constantly expanding at the speed of light.
>
>
> Wrong. All that statement proves is that we can't see to the edge of the
> universe.

I didn't try to prove anything, although apparently the rate of
expansion is slowing if you measure the far red spectrum or something
(see Universe in a Nutshell by Hawkings).
>
>
>>>Too big to comprehend even!
>>
>>Could be, could very well be.
>>
>>So, how big would that be then?
>
>
> Bigger than a mere mortal such as me can articulate. I've seen
> (imagined) it in moments of inspired consciousness
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hmmm, yes, nothing to do with mushrooms or weeds then?

but there's no way I
> could ever answer a question as big as that in my lifetime.
>

That's what the cultists get round by using "Faith" i.e. it just is and
they blindly accept the statement and get on with life with the tricky
to comprehend bit neatly bundled away wrapped up in religion.

>
>>how do you know that when you sit on your chair it will hold your weight?
>
Faith

>
> It doesn't hold my weight at all. Gravity is keeping my chair on the
> floor and gravity is keeping me on the chair. It's not that the chair
> can hold my weight but it's gravity that's preventing me from breaking
> it.
>

Sorry, that was a loaded question. It was put to me one night by a
devout christian, his point was "faith" in the chair. I can't remember
much after that as it was a rather lame discussion which highlighted the
pointlessness of trying to change someones personal view of religion.

I tried to use the same arguments as you describe above however what i
did realise was that he was on the same track as me in the discussion
just I had a different value and belief base to him.

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