Krusty

NatWest are sending out card readers to all online banking users - I
got mine today. According to the blurb, certain online activities
required you to insert your cash card in the reader. Fair enough.

However the reader is just like a calculator with a slot in the back
for your card. There's nothing to connect it to your PC, so WTF? I can
only assume it's got a mobile phone built in, that calls a NatWest
server which interfaces with the online banking server. Funky stuff.

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Dave Emerson

"Krusty" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:5f6h2jF3avdibU1@mid.individual.net...
> NatWest are sending out card readers to all online banking users - I
> got mine today. According to the blurb, certain online activities
> required you to insert your cash card in the reader. Fair enough.
>
> However the reader is just like a calculator with a slot in the back
> for your card. There's nothing to connect it to your PC, so WTF? I can
> only assume it's got a mobile phone built in, that calls a NatWest
> server which interfaces with the online banking server. Funky stuff.
>
http://natwest.com/reader/ for those that may be curious...


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Dave Emerson

"Dave Emerson" <Dave_dot_Emerson@LineOne.net> wrote in message
news:468e0f1b$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>
> "Krusty" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
> news:5f6h2jF3avdibU1@mid.individual.net...
>> NatWest are sending out card readers to all online banking users - I
>> got mine today. According to the blurb, certain online activities
>> required you to insert your cash card in the reader. Fair enough.
>>
>> However the reader is just like a calculator with a slot in the back
>> for your card. There's nothing to connect it to your PC, so WTF? I can
>> only assume it's got a mobile phone built in, that calls a NatWest
>> server which interfaces with the online banking server. Funky stuff.
>>
> http://natwest.com/reader/ for those that may be curious...

OK, bad form to reply to own post but I've just read the sublinks on the
above page and can see how it works.

It doesn't connect directly to the bank.

It has a random number generator that has multiple seeds

The Natwest site can give you a random one-time input number and request a
response that is unique to that reader/card/PIN etc.

VC


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Jérémy

"Krusty" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in news:5f6h2jF3avdibU1
@mid.individual.net:

> NatWest are sending out card readers to all online banking users - I
> got mine today. According to the blurb, certain online activities
> required you to insert your cash card in the reader. Fair enough.
>
> However the reader is just like a calculator with a slot in the back
> for your card. There's nothing to connect it to your PC, so WTF? I can
> only assume it's got a mobile phone built in, that calls a NatWest
> server which interfaces with the online banking server. Funky stuff.

I have one for UBS online banking. You identify yourself as owner of the
card by putting your PIN in the card reader, the ebanking site gives you a
code which you enter into the reader, and the reader does a bit of crypto
magic[1] and gives you another code back which you give to the ebanking
site. No mobile phone required (fortunately; the battery wouldn't last very
long).

[1] If SWK comes along in a minute to explain the crypto stuff, I'll pass.
I already have a headache today.

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Krusty

Jirimy wrote:

> "Krusty" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in news:5f6h2jF3avdibU1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
> > NatWest are sending out card readers to all online banking users - I
> > got mine today. According to the blurb, certain online activities
> > required you to insert your cash card in the reader. Fair enough.
> >
> > However the reader is just like a calculator with a slot in the back
> > for your card. There's nothing to connect it to your PC, so WTF? I
> > can only assume it's got a mobile phone built in, that calls a
> > NatWest server which interfaces with the online banking server.
> > Funky stuff.
>
> I have one for UBS online banking. You identify yourself as owner of
> the card by putting your PIN in the card reader, the ebanking site
> gives you a code which you enter into the reader, and the reader does
> a bit of crypto magic[1] and gives you another code back which you
> give to the ebanking site. No mobile phone required (fortunately; the
> battery wouldn't last very long).

<slaps head>

I have no idea why I didn't think of that. Today, I am mostly being a
TC.


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Champ

On 6 Jul 2007 10:11:00 GMT, "Krusty" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

>Today, I am mostly being a TC.

So, about probability and windmill drive boats...

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Krusty

Champ wrote:

> On 6 Jul 2007 10:11:00 GMT, "Krusty" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> > Today, I am mostly being a TC.
>
> So, about probability and windmill drive boats...

They were days when everyone else was being a TC.

Probably.

<fx: points windmill-driven land yacht up-wind & sails into the sunset>

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ogden

Krusty wrote:
>
> NatWest are sending out card readers to all online banking users - I
> got mine today. According to the blurb, certain online activities
> required you to insert your cash card in the reader. Fair enough.

Does rather hamper the convenience of Internet banking if you have to
have a bit of hardware with you any time you want to do something useful
with it though.

I think LTSB are looking at introducing something similar. Yet another
token to add to the collection of RSA fobs and mobile phones begging to
be lugged around.

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Whinging Courier

In article <468E2D22.D0DA0583@pre.org>, ogden@pre.org says...

> Krusty wrote:
> >
> > NatWest are sending out card readers to all online banking users - I
> > got mine today. According to the blurb, certain online activities
> > required you to insert your cash card in the reader. Fair enough.
>
> Does rather hamper the convenience of Internet banking if you have to
> have a bit of hardware with you any time you want to do something useful
> with it though.
>
> I think LTSB are looking at introducing something similar. Yet another
> token to add to the collection of RSA fobs and mobile phones begging to
> be lugged around.

Give it 10 or so years and we'll have all that crap in a "handy"
organiser and the streets will rejoice because we'll never know how we
did without it.
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TOG@toil,chateau.murray@btinternet.com,

On 6 Jul, 12:51, Champ <n...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
> On 6 Jul 2007 10:11:00 GMT, "Krusty" <dontwant...@nowhere.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >Today, I am mostly being a TC.
>
> So, about probability and windmill drive boats...
>

.....and BMW fuel tank capacities....

DoetNietComputeren

On Jul 6, 2:41 am, "Krusty" <dontwant...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

> NatWest are sending out card readers to all online banking users - I
> got mine today. According to the blurb, certain online activities
> required you to insert your cash card in the reader. Fair enough.

At least two of the major Dutch banks (ABN Amro and Rabobank) have
been using this system for some years. It works well enough, but,
IMHO, rather defeats the convenience of internet banking from anywhere
- as that is now "anywhere that you happen to have your gadget with
you".



--
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darsy

On Jul 6, 2:40 pm, TOG@toil,chateau.mur...@btinternet.com,
<chateau.mur...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 6 Jul, 12:51, Champ <n...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > On 6 Jul 2007 10:11:00 GMT, "Krusty" <dontwant...@nowhere.invalid>
> > wrote:
>
> > >Today, I am mostly being a TC.
>
> > So, about probability and windmill drive boats...
>
> ....and BMW fuel tank capacities....

Ducati sparkplug longevity...

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christofire

DoetNietComputeren wrote:

> On Jul 6, 2:41 am, "Krusty" <dontwant...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
> > NatWest are sending out card readers to all online banking users - I
> > got mine today. According to the blurb, certain online activities
> > required you to insert your cash card in the reader. Fair enough.
>
> At least two of the major Dutch banks (ABN Amro and Rabobank) have
> been using this system for some years. It works well enough, but,
> IMHO, rather defeats the convenience of internet banking from anywhere
> - as that is now "anywhere that you happen to have your gadget with
> you".

I very rarely[1] make online purchases when I'm not either at home or
at work. I don't think it's all that bad of an idea.

[1] as in I can't remember when
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DoetNietComputeren

On Jul 6, 6:47 am, "christofire" <c...@ukrm.org> wrote:

> >It works well enough, but,
> > IMHO, rather defeats the convenience of internet banking from anywhere
> > - as that is now "anywhere that you happen to have your gadget with
> > you".
>
> I very rarely[1] make online purchases when I'm not either at home or
> at work. I don't think it's all that bad of an idea.

In clogland, it's not just for transactions, it's for logging in,
balance enquiries, transfers between own accounts etc - ie everything
you can do in Internet Banking. Plus making purchases.

Best not forget it on that quick jaunty overseas for work. Oh and as
there is no redundancy around it, card must meet reader, best hope the
non-changeable batteries don't die whilst you're abroad for a period
of time either. <crosses fingers and touches wood>


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Champ

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:47:59 +0000 (UTC), "christofire"
<chris@ukrm.org> wrote:

>DoetNietComputeren wrote:
>
>> On Jul 6, 2:41 am, "Krusty" <dontwant...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> > NatWest are sending out card readers to all online banking users - I
>> > got mine today. According to the blurb, certain online activities
>> > required you to insert your cash card in the reader. Fair enough.
>>
>> At least two of the major Dutch banks (ABN Amro and Rabobank) have
>> been using this system for some years. It works well enough, but,
>> IMHO, rather defeats the convenience of internet banking from anywhere
>> - as that is now "anywhere that you happen to have your gadget with
>> you".
>
>I very rarely[1] make online purchases when I'm not either at home or
>at work. I don't think it's all that bad of an idea.

eh? What have online purchases got to do with online banking?
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christofire

Champ wrote:

> On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:47:59 +0000 (UTC), "christofire"
> <chris@ukrm.org> wrote:
>
> > DoetNietComputeren wrote:
> >
> >> On Jul 6, 2:41 am, "Krusty" <dontwant...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >> > NatWest are sending out card readers to all online banking users
> - I >> > got mine today. According to the blurb, certain online
> activities >> > required you to insert your cash card in the reader.
> Fair enough. >>
> >> At least two of the major Dutch banks (ABN Amro and Rabobank) have
> >> been using this system for some years. It works well enough, but,
> >> IMHO, rather defeats the convenience of internet banking from
> anywhere >> - as that is now "anywhere that you happen to have your
> gadget with >> you".
> >
> > I very rarely[1] make online purchases when I'm not either at home
> > or at work. I don't think it's all that bad of an idea.
>
> eh? What have online purchases got to do with online banking?

Wooly thinking hat is on today. I only check my internet banking on my
home or work laptop, and then only on those two networks unless I
really have to do it elsewhere. I do sometimes check accounts before a
big spend, but I did mean banking rather than buying.

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platypus

TOG@toil wrote:
> On 6 Jul, 12:51, Champ <n...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>> On 6 Jul 2007 10:11:00 GMT, "Krusty" <dontwant...@nowhere.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Today, I am mostly being a TC.
>>
>> So, about probability and windmill drive boats...
>>
>
> ....and BMW fuel tank capacities....

There was a shared crankpin in there somewhere, wasn't there?

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ogden

Roger Hunt wrote:
>
> (I used to use a similar device for log-in to a small corner of a
> company network and it was a pain in the arse, because the
> authentication code was changed every 15 seconds or so (it felt like
> it), and the slower of us keyboard cowboys would frequently miss the
> boat and have to start again.)

If you're talking about an RSA SecurID token, it changes once a minute.
You must have really fat fingers.

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Roger Hunt

ogden wrote
>Roger Hunt wrote:
>>
>> (I used to use a similar device for log-in to a small corner of a
>> company network and it was a pain in the arse, because the
>> authentication code was changed every 15 seconds or so (it felt like
>> it), and the slower of us keyboard cowboys would frequently miss the
>> boat and have to start again.)
>
>If you're talking about an RSA SecurID token, it changes once a minute.

That was it - a server in Holland somewhere.
>You must have really fat fingers.
>
It usually a case of being impeded by a cup of coffee.
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Bear

In article <468E57E3.F9D7D0FC@pre.org>, ogden says...
> Roger Hunt wrote:
> >
> > (I used to use a similar device for log-in to a small corner of a
> > company network and it was a pain in the arse, because the
> > authentication code was changed every 15 seconds or so (it felt like
> > it), and the slower of us keyboard cowboys would frequently miss the
> > boat and have to start again.)
>
> If you're talking about an RSA SecurID token, it changes once a minute.
> You must have really fat fingers.

Yeah we use those and even I can manage to work them ok.
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BGN

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 13:41:36 -0000, DoetNietComputeren
<Doesnotcompute@gmail.com> wrote:

>> NatWest are sending out card readers to all online banking users - I
>> got mine today. According to the blurb, certain online activities
>> required you to insert your cash card in the reader. Fair enough.
>
>At least two of the major Dutch banks (ABN Amro and Rabobank) have
>been using this system for some years. It works well enough, but,
>IMHO, rather defeats the convenience of internet banking from anywhere
>- as that is now "anywhere that you happen to have your gadget with
>you".

That's what I was thinking. I log into NatWest online banking at home
and at work and am not fond of the possiblity that I need to drag it
around with me. Hopefully it wont be required to just check balances
and stuff.

Mine hasn't arrived yet anyway but I look forward to receiving it so
that I can just lose it.
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ogden

Roger Hunt wrote:
>
> ogden wrote
> >Roger Hunt wrote:
> >>
> >> (I used to use a similar device for log-in to a small corner of a
> >> company network and it was a pain in the arse, because the
> >> authentication code was changed every 15 seconds or so (it felt like
> >> it), and the slower of us keyboard cowboys would frequently miss the
> >> boat and have to start again.)
> >
> >If you're talking about an RSA SecurID token, it changes once a minute.
>
> That was it - a server in Holland somewhere.

Assuming it was outsourced, I'd hazard a guess at Infonet, think they're
part of BT now.

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SD

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:51:42 +0100, "Dave Emerson"
<Dave_dot_Emerson@LineOne.net> wrote:

>It doesn't connect directly to the bank.
>
>It has a random number generator that has multiple seeds
>
>The Natwest site can give you a random one-time input number and request a
>response that is unique to that reader/card/PIN etc.

HSBC Custodian and Treasury services use the same system.
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Nige

Krusty wrote:
> NatWest are sending out card readers to all online banking users - I
> got mine today. According to the blurb, certain online activities
> required you to insert your cash card in the reader. Fair enough.
>
> However the reader is just like a calculator with a slot in the back
> for your card. There's nothing to connect it to your PC, so WTF? I
> can only assume it's got a mobile phone built in, that calls a
> NatWest server which interfaces with the online banking server.
> Funky stuff.

It's a modern day Enigma machine.

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Roger Hunt

Nige wrote
>Krusty wrote:
>> NatWest are sending out card readers to all online banking users - I
>> got mine today. According to the blurb, certain online activities
>> required you to insert your cash card in the reader. Fair enough.
>>
>> However the reader is just like a calculator with a slot in the back
>> for your card. There's nothing to connect it to your PC, so WTF? I
>> can only assume it's got a mobile phone built in, that calls a
>> NatWest server which interfaces with the online banking server.
>> Funky stuff.
>
>It's a modern day Enigma machine.
>
Did Enigma need batteries?
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Nige

Roger Hunt wrote:
> Nige wrote
>> Krusty wrote:
>>> NatWest are sending out card readers to all online banking users -
>>> I got mine today. According to the blurb, certain online activities
>>> required you to insert your cash card in the reader. Fair enough.
>>>
>>> However the reader is just like a calculator with a slot in the
>>> back for your card. There's nothing to connect it to your PC, so
>>> WTF? I can only assume it's got a mobile phone built in, that
>>> calls a NatWest server which interfaces with the online banking
>>> server. Funky stuff.
>>
>> It's a modern day Enigma machine.
>>
> Did Enigma need batteries?

Not that I'm aware of, but it does a similar job, what doesn't need
batteries these days?

Faffy pile of crap too.


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Cab

Roger Hunt wrote:
>> You must have really fat fingers.
>>
> It usually a case of being impeded by a cup of coffee.

Put the coffee down. HTH.

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Cab

ogden wrote:
> Krusty wrote:
>> NatWest are sending out card readers to all online banking users - I
>> got mine today. According to the blurb, certain online activities
>> required you to insert your cash card in the reader. Fair enough.
>
> Does rather hamper the convenience of Internet banking if you have to
> have a bit of hardware with you any time you want to do something useful
> with it though.
>
> I think LTSB are looking at introducing something similar. Yet another
> token to add to the collection of RSA fobs and mobile phones begging to
> be lugged around.

Be grateful that they're taking security seriously. I just wish it was
the same in France. The most secure part of one of my online banks is to
force users to input a 4 figure pin using the mouse.

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Roger Hunt

Cab wrote
>Roger Hunt wrote:
>>> You must have really fat fingers.
>>>
>> It usually a case of being impeded by a cup of coffee.
>
>Put the coffee down. HTH.
>
By slight or insult?
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Whinging Courier

In article <RYOdnahWzJ_FyhLbnZ2dnUVZ8sOonZ2d@pipex.net>,
nigel.inceBUGGEROFF@btinternet.com says...

> Roger Hunt wrote:
> > Nige wrote
> >> Krusty wrote:
> >>> NatWest are sending out card readers to all online banking users -
> >>> I got mine today. According to the blurb, certain online activities
> >>> required you to insert your cash card in the reader. Fair enough.
> >>>
> >>> However the reader is just like a calculator with a slot in the
> >>> back for your card. There's nothing to connect it to your PC, so
> >>> WTF? I can only assume it's got a mobile phone built in, that
> >>> calls a NatWest server which interfaces with the online banking
> >>> server. Funky stuff.
> >>
> >> It's a modern day Enigma machine.
> >>
> > Did Enigma need batteries?
>
> Not that I'm aware of, but it does a similar job, what doesn't need
> batteries these days?

http://www.shinyshiny.tv/2005/12/solar_powered_v.html

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Cab

Roger Hunt wrote:
> Cab wrote
>> Roger Hunt wrote:
>>>> You must have really fat fingers.
>>>>
>>> It usually a case of being impeded by a cup of coffee.
>> Put the coffee down. HTH.
>>
> By slight or insult?

<G> Daft pillock.

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gomez

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:41:33 +0100, Roger Hunt
<nospam@nospam.demon.co.uk> dropped the following oil-slick:
>
>(I used to use a similar device for log-in to a small corner of a
>company network and it was a pain in the arse, because the
>authentication code was changed every 15 seconds or so (it felt like
>it), and the slower of us keyboard cowboys would frequently miss the
>boat and have to start again.)

Key in the first three digits then wait until the last moment before
keying the last.
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gomez

On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:25:37 +0100, Whinging Courier
<markonusenet@TAKEITAWAYyahoo.co.uk> dropped the following oil-slick:
>
>Give it 10 or so years and we'll have all that crap in a "handy"
>organiser and the streets will rejoice because we'll never know how we
>did without it.

I assume you mean mobile phone. I don't bother carrying my PDA, MP3
player, camera etc etc around with me now as the phone does [1] it
all.

[1] For adequate values of "does".
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Roger Hunt

gomez wrote
>On Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:41:33 +0100, Roger Hunt
><nospam@nospam.demon.co.uk> dropped the following oil-slick:
>>
>>(I used to use a similar device for log-in to a small corner of a
>>company network and it was a pain in the arse, because the
>>authentication code was changed every 15 seconds or so (it felt like
>>it), and the slower of us keyboard cowboys would frequently miss the
>>boat and have to start again.)
>
>Key in the first three digits then wait until the last moment before
>keying the last.

OK - I'll give it a go ...
(slurp) - digit (slurp) digit digit (slurp) (slurp) (slurp), (light
cigarette), (puff) (slurp) (puff), digit (puff) (slurp) digit digit.

Yup, that'll work fine. Thanks.
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Scraggy

Roger Hunt wrote:
> Nige wrote
>> Krusty wrote:
>>> NatWest are sending out card readers to all online banking users - I
>>> got mine today. According to the blurb, certain online activities
>>> required you to insert your cash card in the reader. Fair enough.
>>>
>>> However the reader is just like a calculator with a slot in the back
>>> for your card. There's nothing to connect it to your PC, so WTF? I
>>> can only assume it's got a mobile phone built in, that calls a
>>> NatWest server which interfaces with the online banking server.
>>> Funky stuff.
>>
>> It's a modern day Enigma machine.
>>
> Did Enigma need batteries?

Army version did.

http://w1tp.com/enigma/u_095m.jpg

The empty hole, top right, is for the battery.

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I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as
members. Groucho Marx

Roger Hunt

Scraggy wrote
>Roger Hunt wrote:
>>>
>> Did Enigma need batteries?
>
>Army version did.
>
>http://w1tp.com/enigma/u_095m.jpg
>
>The empty hole, top right, is for the battery.
>
Wow thanks! I took a chance on
>http://w1tp.com/enigma

and discovered this huge treasure chest of cipher machine info. Boggle!
What a feast!!

And starting from http://w1tp.com it didn't take long to find
descriptions of wonderful devices like "Ranschburg's apparatus for
investigation of comprehension, association, and memory."
http://www.chss.montclair.edu/psycho...seum/x_056.htm

I wonder where the victim was connected?
(I also wonder what kind of results would be obtained from the average
UKRM subscriber.)

Cheers
--
Roger Hunt