Oops

<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6927113.stm>

"Seven people have died after a freeway bridge over the Mississippi
river collapsed in the evening rush hour.
At least 60 were injured when part of the I-35W bridge in Minneapolis
fell down at 1805 (2305 GMT) on Wednesday.

Fire Chief Jim Clack told reporters seven died as the structure
buckled, hurling up to 50 vehicles in the water.

The US Department of Homeland Security said there was no reason to
suspect the fall of the bridge, which had been undergoing repairs, was
terror-related."

I know they're only Americans, so we shouldn't feel too bad about it,
but it's certainly not something one sees everyday. Well, unless one
works in the bridge demolition biz.
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On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 06:55:28 +0100, BGN <nickmooney@spamcop.net>
wrote in <6cs2b353tlojfdcl786ud3nffp7g4pepav@4ax.com>:
><http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6927113.stm>

> "Seven people have died after a freeway bridge over the Mississippi
> river collapsed in the evening rush hour. ..."

> I know they're only Americans, so we shouldn't feel too bad about it,
> but it's certainly not something one sees everyday. Well, unless one
> works in the bridge demolition biz.

"The 40-year-old bridge was undergoing repairs at the time of the
accident, and there were reports that construction workers were using a
jackhammer at the time of the collapse." -- Daily Telegraph

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BGN wrote
><http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6927113.stm>
>
>"Seven people have died after a freeway bridge over the Mississippi
>river collapsed in the evening rush hour.
>At least 60 were injured when part of the I-35W bridge in Minneapolis
>fell down at 1805 (2305 GMT) on Wednesday.
>
>Fire Chief Jim Clack told reporters seven died as the structure
>buckled, hurling up to 50 vehicles in the water.
>
>The US Department of Homeland Security said there was no reason to
>suspect the fall of the bridge, which had been undergoing repairs, was
>terror-related."
>
>I know they're only Americans, so we shouldn't feel too bad about it,
>but it's certainly not something one sees everyday. Well, unless one
>works in the bridge demolition biz.

It may have been caused by the famous American obesity of the occupants
of the cars. I bet the bridge designers never factored that in.
--
Roger Hunt

In article <6cs2b353tlojfdcl786ud3nffp7g4pepav@4ax.com>, BGN wrote:
>
> The US Department of Homeland Security said there was no reason to
> suspect the fall of the bridge, which had been undergoing repairs, was
> terror-related."

I wonder if me stubbing my toe on the pavement as I left the house this
morning was terror-related? I must ask the Department of Homeland
Security.

Phil

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'I'm training the bats that live in my cube
to juggle mushrooms'

"BGN" <nickmooney@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:6cs2b353tlojfdcl786ud3nffp7g4pepav@4ax.com...
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6927113.stm>
>
> "Seven people have died after a freeway bridge over the Mississippi
> river collapsed in the evening rush hour.
> At least 60 were injured when part of the I-35W bridge in Minneapolis
> fell down at 1805 (2305 GMT) on Wednesday.

Apparently, because of the size of the drop, it took a while for the cars to
fall into the river. One driver said they counted, "1 Mississippi, 2
Mississippi, 3 Mississippi", as they fell down.

I'll get my coat.

Tim
--
I never wish I was not what I was not when I didn't wish what I was not was
not what I am not.

On Aug 2, 2:32 am, Roger Hunt <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> It may have been caused by the famous American obesity of the occupants
> of the cars. I bet the bridge designers never factored that in.
> --
> Roger Hunt

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006470329,00.html

I'll have another, mate!

PRNole <prosete@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 2, 2:32 am, Roger Hunt <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> It may have been caused by the famous American obesity of the occupants
>> of the cars. I bet the bridge designers never factored that in.
>> --
>> Roger Hunt
>
> http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006470329,00.html
>
> I'll have another, mate!

Ah. So being the laughingstock of Europe isn't the _only_ consequence of
the UK's cultural proximity to the United States ...

D.

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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Mark Olson <olsonm@tiny.invalid>
saying something like:

>Apparently, you know something everyone else doesn't. Spill it.
>
>Some very qualified civil engineers have undoubtedly been consulted
>already and AFAIK none of them has yet offered the same opinion as you.

IanaCE but I do know how to shear a bolt or two. Anyway, I heard an
eyewitness describe how the shoreside span fell first, the whole
structure wobbled a bit then the main span collapsed. Presumably due to
unbalanced forces in play then.

>All I know is my commute was slightly affected by extra traffic, but
>as I don't cross the bridge I made it to work at my normal time, by
>leaving a bit earlier.

This was in your neck of the woods?
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Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

Teach a man to fish and he and his pikey mates will have the
river cleaned out in a day.

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

>>All I know is my commute was slightly affected by extra traffic, but
>>as I don't cross the bridge I made it to work at my normal time, by
>>leaving a bit earlier.

> This was in your neck of the woods?

I live/work 17 miles/7.5 miles from the bridge.

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On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 17:22:05 +0100, "TMack" <aonp82 AT dsl DOT pipex
DOT com> wrote:

>> AIUI, the work that was being done was to the paving only, not to
>> the structure. Still, it certainly will be investigated and could
>> well have contributed to the collapse, but to jump to the conclusion
>> that someone using a jackhammer brought the bridge down is somewhat
>> simplistic, to be generous.
>
>It may have generated some kind of "forced resonance" effect (akin to a
>large group of people marching in step) that weakened vital structures.
>Given the regular and rapid percussive effects of a large drill this might
>be a possibility. The famous Tacoma Narrows bridge fell down in a mere 40mph
>wind due to resonance effects.

There was also a train going under at the time, which the bridge fell
on (I bet it stopped quick) but I doubt the rumbles from a train, a
drill and one or two lanes of traffic would bring a bridge down that
has been there fore four decades. But I'm not an engineer

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The Older Gentleman <chateau.murrayTAKETHISOUT@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:

> (though why the Forces of Darkness should choose a clapped out bridge
> over a stinky river is neither here nor there)

If security on 'strategic' locations (airports, embassies, nuclear
installations..) has been 'stepped up' anything like they claim, then this
sort of 'attack' (if it had been one) on 'soft' (i.e. unprotected) targets,
could be expected to i) occur and ii) become more frequent.

D.
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"BGN" <nickmooney@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:fd24b39uga1d2hqjg6r0q9l84q90f62oad@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 17:22:05 +0100, "TMack" <aonp82 AT dsl DOT pipex
> DOT com> wrote:
>
>>> AIUI, the work that was being done was to the paving only, not to
>>> the structure. Still, it certainly will be investigated and could
>>> well have contributed to the collapse, but to jump to the conclusion
>>> that someone using a jackhammer brought the bridge down is somewhat
>>> simplistic, to be generous.
>>
>>It may have generated some kind of "forced resonance" effect (akin to a
>>large group of people marching in step) that weakened vital structures.
>>Given the regular and rapid percussive effects of a large drill this might
>>be a possibility. The famous Tacoma Narrows bridge fell down in a mere
>>40mph
>>wind due to resonance effects.
>
> There was also a train going under at the time, which the bridge fell
> on (I bet it stopped quick) but I doubt the rumbles from a train, a
> drill and one or two lanes of traffic would bring a bridge down that
> has been there fore four decades. But I'm not an engineer

And apparently, neither is the blerk who built it.

--
Beav

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Zed 1000
OMF# 19

	#1
BGN	Oops - Seven dead as US bridge collapses <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6927113.stm> "Seven people have died after a freeway bridge over the Mississippi river collapsed in the evening rush hour. At least 60 were injured when part of the I-35W bridge in Minneapolis fell down at 1805 (2305 GMT) on Wednesday. Fire Chief Jim Clack told reporters seven died as the structure buckled, hurling up to 50 vehicles in the water. The US Department of Homeland Security said there was no reason to suspect the fall of the bridge, which had been undergoing repairs, was terror-related." I know they're only Americans, so we shouldn't feel too bad about it, but it's certainly not something one sees everyday. Well, unless one works in the bridge demolition biz. -- -- Nick ICQ: 9235201 EMAIL & MSN: nickmooney@spamcop.net -- LOTR#4 SKOGA#8 DS#7 BOTAFOT#159 BOTM#2 FBOTY#06 PM#11 -- GSF600n www.bgn.me.uk - Drive until you lose the road

	#2
Dr Ivan D. Reid	Re: Oops - Seven dead as US bridge collapses On Thu, 02 Aug 2007 06:55:28 +0100, BGN <nickmooney@spamcop.net> wrote in <6cs2b353tlojfdcl786ud3nffp7g4pepav@4ax.com>: ><http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6927113.stm> > "Seven people have died after a freeway bridge over the Mississippi > river collapsed in the evening rush hour. ..." > I know they're only Americans, so we shouldn't feel too bad about it, > but it's certainly not something one sees everyday. Well, unless one > works in the bridge demolition biz. "The 40-year-old bridge was undergoing repairs at the time of the accident, and there were reports that construction workers were using a jackhammer at the time of the collapse." -- Daily Telegraph -- Ivan Reid, School of Engineering & Design, _____________ CMS Collaboration, Brunel University. Ivan.Reid@[brunel.ac.uk\|cern.ch] Room 40-1-B12, CERN GSX600F, RG250WD "You Porsche. Me pass!" DoD #484 JKLO#003, 005 WP7# 3000 LC Unit #2368 (tinlc) UKMC#00009 BOTAFOT#16 UKRMMA#7 (Hon) KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".

	#3
Roger Hunt	Re: Oops - Seven dead as US bridge collapses BGN wrote ><http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6927113.stm> > >"Seven people have died after a freeway bridge over the Mississippi >river collapsed in the evening rush hour. >At least 60 were injured when part of the I-35W bridge in Minneapolis >fell down at 1805 (2305 GMT) on Wednesday. > >Fire Chief Jim Clack told reporters seven died as the structure >buckled, hurling up to 50 vehicles in the water. > >The US Department of Homeland Security said there was no reason to >suspect the fall of the bridge, which had been undergoing repairs, was >terror-related." > >I know they're only Americans, so we shouldn't feel too bad about it, >but it's certainly not something one sees everyday. Well, unless one >works in the bridge demolition biz. It may have been caused by the famous American obesity of the occupants of the cars. I bet the bridge designers never factored that in. -- Roger Hunt

	#4
Phil Launchbury	Re: Oops - Seven dead as US bridge collapses In article <6cs2b353tlojfdcl786ud3nffp7g4pepav@4ax.com>, BGN wrote: > > The US Department of Homeland Security said there was no reason to > suspect the fall of the bridge, which had been undergoing repairs, was > terror-related." I wonder if me stubbing my toe on the pavement as I left the house this morning was terror-related? I must ask the Department of Homeland Security. Phil -- Phil Launchbury, IT PHB 'I'm training the bats that live in my cube to juggle mushrooms'

	#5
Tim Gordon	Re: Oops - Seven dead as US bridge collapses "BGN" <nickmooney@spamcop.net> wrote in message news:6cs2b353tlojfdcl786ud3nffp7g4pepav@4ax.com... > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6927113.stm> > > "Seven people have died after a freeway bridge over the Mississippi > river collapsed in the evening rush hour. > At least 60 were injured when part of the I-35W bridge in Minneapolis > fell down at 1805 (2305 GMT) on Wednesday. Apparently, because of the size of the drop, it took a while for the cars to fall into the river. One driver said they counted, "1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi, 3 Mississippi", as they fell down. I'll get my coat. Tim -- I never wish I was not what I was not when I didn't wish what I was not was not what I am not.

	#6
PRNole	Re: Oops - Seven dead as US bridge collapses On Aug 2, 2:32 am, Roger Hunt <nos...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > It may have been caused by the famous American obesity of the occupants > of the cars. I bet the bridge designers never factored that in. > -- > Roger Hunt http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006470329,00.html I'll have another, mate!

	#8
Grimly Curmudgeon	Re: Oops - Seven dead as US bridge collapses We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Mark Olson <olsonm@tiny.invalid> saying something like: >Apparently, you know something everyone else doesn't. Spill it. > >Some very qualified civil engineers have undoubtedly been consulted >already and AFAIK none of them has yet offered the same opinion as you. IanaCE but I do know how to shear a bolt or two. Anyway, I heard an eyewitness describe how the shoreside span fell first, the whole structure wobbled a bit then the main span collapsed. Presumably due to unbalanced forces in play then. >All I know is my commute was slightly affected by extra traffic, but >as I don't cross the bridge I made it to work at my normal time, by >leaving a bit earlier. This was in your neck of the woods? -- Dave GS850x2 XS650 SE6a Teach a man to fish and he and his pikey mates will have the river cleaned out in a day.

	#9
Mark Olson	Re: Oops - Seven dead as US bridge collapses Grimly Curmudgeon wrote: >>All I know is my commute was slightly affected by extra traffic, but >>as I don't cross the bridge I made it to work at my normal time, by >>leaving a bit earlier. > This was in your neck of the woods? I live/work 17 miles/7.5 miles from the bridge. -- '01 SV650SK1 '99 EX250-F13 '98 ZG1000-A13 OMF #7

	#12
Beav	Re: Oops - Seven dead as US bridge collapses "BGN" <nickmooney@spamcop.net> wrote in message news:fd24b39uga1d2hqjg6r0q9l84q90f62oad@4ax.com... > On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 17:22:05 +0100, "TMack" <aonp82 AT dsl DOT pipex > DOT com> wrote: > >>> AIUI, the work that was being done was to the paving only, not to >>> the structure. Still, it certainly will be investigated and could >>> well have contributed to the collapse, but to jump to the conclusion >>> that someone using a jackhammer brought the bridge down is somewhat >>> simplistic, to be generous. >> >>It may have generated some kind of "forced resonance" effect (akin to a >>large group of people marching in step) that weakened vital structures. >>Given the regular and rapid percussive effects of a large drill this might >>be a possibility. The famous Tacoma Narrows bridge fell down in a mere >>40mph >>wind due to resonance effects. > > There was also a train going under at the time, which the bridge fell > on (I bet it stopped quick) but I doubt the rumbles from a train, a > drill and one or two lanes of traffic would bring a bridge down that > has been there fore four decades. But I'm not an engineer And apparently, neither is the blerk who built it. -- Beav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19