jsp

I have just received details of a Northants press release which includes
some details of upcoming police activities.

It might be of intterest if you pass this way. Then again, with half a
brain, you could probably have guessed it all.





"WEEKEND OPERATIONS DEAL WITH MOTORCYCLE SPEED

OFFICERS from Northamptonshire’s Road Policing Unit will be out and
about this weekend to stop and deal with motorcyclists who ride with
excessive speed.

The Force is concerned that the number of motorcyclists killed and
serious injured on the county’s roads is worryingly high.

And they are looking to stop those riders who treat public roads as
high-speed race tracks by travelling at speeds often in excess of
140mph, thereby putting their own lives in danger and also those of
other road users.

Inspector Chris Hume, of Northamptonshire Police’s Operations
Department, explained that officers would be targeting three popular
motorcyclist routes in the county.

He said: “Speed enforcement will take place on the routes and we will
also have roving cyclists on patrol but it is important to stress that
we are not intent on stopping and questioning every motorcyclist.

“Our intelligence is able to identify certain riders that we would like
to speak to, and these will concentrate on the top end of the worst
offenders.

“The filter system is a quick process and we are only interested in
taking the small and dangerous element off the roads.

We have been working on education and awareness with motorcycle groups
who are keen for us to take action against those who are riding
recklessly and inconsiderately.”

Continued….

Weekend operations deal with motorcycle speed…2

Officers will be carrying out these checks in Northamptonshire during
the next eight weekends, from July 3/4 through to August 21/22.





They form part of Operation Biker, a year-long series of initiatives
launched by the county’s Casualty Reduction Partnership in February
aimed at reducing the increasing number of motorcyclists who are being
killed and seriously injured on Northamptonshire’s roads.

Last year (Jan-Dec 2003), 122 motorcyclists were killed or seriously
injured (KSI) on the county’s roads, compared to 90 in 2002 - a worrying
36 per cent increase. Thirteen motorcyclists died in the county last
year, nearly double the number of road deaths in 2002.

The ages of the casualties centre around the 17 to 19 age group and also
the 30 to 49 years age range. The four main factors leading to
collisions were: excessive or inappropriate speed; negligent overtaking;
loss of control, and inexperience.

Principal Road Safety Officer from Northamptonshire County Council,
Penny McCart, said: “We are working in partnership with the police on
Operation Biker, doing all we can to reduce the number of motorbike
rider and pillion passenger casualties. However we are also appealing
for motorcyclists and other road users to take individual responsibility
for their own safety.

“Motorcyclists are by no means always to blame for the collisions they
are involved in but with many motorcyclists riding at excessive or
inappropriate speeds**, this could lead to collisions or worsen the
seriousness of the injury if a collision does happen.

“We are also urging other road users to keep an eye out for
motorcyclists, especially in dry conditions and weekends when there are
likely to be more about.”

Nationally, motorbike riders (including mopeds and bikes under and over
125cc) represent 22 per cent of all killed and seriously injured
casualties, whereas motorcycles account for only four per cent of all
road traffic.

Last year, around 28,000 riders were killed or injured nationally. A
rider is 35 times more likely to be killed or seriously injured than any
other class of road user.

The Casualty Reduction Partnership has set a target reduction of no more
than 67 KSI rider casualties per year by 2010.



MOTORCYCLE RED ROUTES
Enforcement, Education and Engineering is focusing on these routes

A422 Brackley to Oxfordshire border
A361 Warwickshire to Oxfordshire border
A5199 Northampton to Leicestershire border
A4500 Wellingborough to A5123 Kettering Road
B526 Hardingstone to Buckinghamshire border
A6 Rushden to Kettering
pA45 Thrapston to Wellingborough A509
A5095 Kingsley Road, Northampton
A5 Old Stratford to Towcester
A45 Braunston to Northampton
A605 Thrapston to Elton
A508 Old Stratford to Mereway
A428 Crick to Northampton
A509 South of A14 to Bedfordshire border (including Wellingborough town)"



--
John

SV650
Black it is
and naked

dwb

jsp wrote:

> Inspector Chris Hume, of Northamptonshire Police’s Operations
> Department, explained that officers would be targeting three popular
> motorcyclist routes in the county.
>
> He said: “Speed enforcement will take place on the routes and we will
> also have roving cyclists on patrol but it is important to stress that
> we are not intent on stopping and questioning every motorcyclist.
>
> “Our intelligence is able to identify certain riders that we would
> like to speak to, and these will concentrate on the top end of the
> worst offenders.
>
> “The filter system is a quick process and we are only interested in
> taking the small and dangerous element off the roads.

That _almost_ sounds a reasonable approach... not sure about 'cyclists'
though!

Paul Corfield

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:28:35 GMT, jsp <jataomm@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>I have just received details of a Northants press release which includes
>some details of upcoming police activities.
>
>It might be of intterest if you pass this way. Then again, with half a
>brain, you could probably have guessed it all.
>
>"WEEKEND OPERATIONS DEAL WITH MOTORCYCLE SPEED
>
>OFFICERS from Northamptonshire’s Road Policing Unit will be out and
>about this weekend to stop and deal with motorcyclists who ride with
>excessive speed.
>
>The Force is concerned that the number of motorcyclists killed and
>serious injured on the county’s roads is worryingly high.

Isn't it telling that most areas now have a Police *Service* while
Northamptonshire still have a Police Force?

I don't why they just don't go the whole hog and just arrest everyone
who owns a motorcycle who lives in the county. As using one is obviously
such a heinous crime it would appear that ownership can't be far off
murder or child molestation in terms of seriousness.
--
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VFR800 | ZX6R | R1150GS
BOD#5, two#4, BOTAFOT#23, BOTAFOF#4, URMSBC#09, COFF#09
Admits to working for London Underground!

dwb

Paul Corfield wrote:
>
> I don't why they just don't go the whole hog and just arrest everyone
> who owns a motorcycle who lives in the county. As using one is
> obviously such a heinous crime it would appear that ownership can't
> be far off murder or child molestation in terms of seriousness.

They're not very likely to pull us over are they though Paul? :-)

Paul Corfield

On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:44:44 +0100, "dwb" <parc_erom@crossdata.co.uk>
wrote:

>Paul Corfield wrote:
>>
>> I don't why they just don't go the whole hog and just arrest everyone
>> who owns a motorcycle who lives in the county. As using one is
>> obviously such a heinous crime it would appear that ownership can't
>> be far off murder or child molestation in terms of seriousness.
>
>They're not very likely to pull us over are they though Paul? :-)

Last time I looked London wasn't in Northamptonshire. Perhaps it'll move
overnight?
--
Paul C - "the big camp bastard" (tm d.a.r.s.y)
VFR800 | ZX6R | R1150GS
BOD#5, two#4, BOTAFOT#23, BOTAFOF#4, URMSBC#09, COFF#09
Admits to working for London Underground!

Rope

Jsp spoke:
> A422 Brackley to Oxfordshire border
> A361 Warwickshire to Oxfordshire border
> A5199 Northampton to Leicestershire border
> A4500 Wellingborough to A5123 Kettering Road
> B526 Hardingstone to Buckinghamshire border
> A6 Rushden to Kettering
> pA45 Thrapston to Wellingborough A509
> A5095 Kingsley Road, Northampton
> A5 Old Stratford to Towcester
> A45 Braunston to Northampton
> A605 Thrapston to Elton
> A508 Old Stratford to Mereway
> A428 Crick to Northampton
> A509 South of A14 to Bedfordshire border (including Wellingborough town)"

Nice of them to publish a list of good biking roads.

--
Rob_P
UKRM(at)indqualtec.co.uk
uppercase(d) BBIWYMC#1 BOG#11? MRO#31 IBCDBBB#1(kotl)
FJ1200, CCM130
Just call me Charlie Brown

Wizard

In article <TXDGc.900$4X.549@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net>, jsp
(jataomm@yahoo.co.uk) says...
>
<Plod Press release>
> And they are looking to stop those riders who treat public roads as
> high-speed race tracks by travelling at speeds often in excess of
> 140mph, thereby putting their own lives in danger and also those of
> other road users.

How common *is* it for someone on a bike to kill/injure someone else
(pillions excluded)?


--
<8P

sweller

jsp wrote:

> pA45 Thrapston to Wellingborough A509

This road is just asking for it.

--
Simon

Brighton | MYSOB: http://www.sweller.co.uk/sob/
England | MZSOB: http://www.mztech.fsnet.co.uk/

platypus

Wizard wrote:
> In article <TXDGc.900$4X.549@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net>, jsp
> (jataomm@yahoo.co.uk) says...
>>
> <Plod Press release>
>> And they are looking to stop those riders who treat public roads as
>> high-speed race tracks by travelling at speeds often in excess of
>> 140mph, thereby putting their own lives in danger and also those of
>> other road users.
>
> How common *is* it for someone on a bike to kill/injure someone else
> (pillions excluded)?

Dunno about how much it actually happens, but a quarter ton of metal going
out of control at three-figure speeds would seem to pose a significant risk
to other road users.

--
Platypus

"thang"

jsp

Rope wrote:
> Jsp spoke:
>
>>A422 Brackley to Oxfordshire border
>>A361 Warwickshire to Oxfordshire border
>>A5199 Northampton to Leicestershire border
>>A4500 Wellingborough to A5123 Kettering Road
>>B526 Hardingstone to Buckinghamshire border
>>A6 Rushden to Kettering
>>pA45 Thrapston to Wellingborough A509
>>A5095 Kingsley Road, Northampton
>>A5 Old Stratford to Towcester
>>A45 Braunston to Northampton
>>A605 Thrapston to Elton
>>A508 Old Stratford to Mereway
>>A428 Crick to Northampton
>>A509 South of A14 to Bedfordshire border (including Wellingborough town)"
>
>
> Nice of them to publish a list of good biking roads.


Heh, yes, there are a few good ones in there, though one or two puzzle
me a bit.

--
John

SV650
Black it is
and naked

Wizard

In article <zsEGc.527$37.5842154@news-text.cableinet.net>, platypus
(platypus@ukrm.org) says...
> Wizard wrote:
> > In article <TXDGc.900$4X.549@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net>, jsp
> > (jataomm@yahoo.co.uk) says...
> >>
> > <Plod Press release>
> >> And they are looking to stop those riders who treat public roads as
> >> high-speed race tracks by travelling at speeds often in excess of
> >> 140mph, thereby putting their own lives in danger and also those of
> >> other road users.
> >
> > How common *is* it for someone on a bike to kill/injure someone else
> > (pillions excluded)?
>
> Dunno about how much it actually happens, but a quarter ton of metal going
> out of control at three-figure speeds would seem to pose a significant risk
> to other road users.

Sure, *if* it happens and *if* someone else is in the way, it's a major
problem. But how often *does* it happen whrn someone else is exposed to
risk?

I'm trying to think of instances... oddly enough I witnessed one
pedestrian injured by a biker when I was about 17, and I can think of
one pedestrian killed about that same time. But since then...
pedestrians being taken out by bikers... I'm racking my brains and I
can't think of any. Surely on the sort of routes this thread is about,
pedestrians are few and far between?


--
<8|

Champ

On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:44:29 +0000 (UTC), Wizard <wizard@ukrm.net>
wrote:

>In article <TXDGc.900$4X.549@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net>, jsp
>(jataomm@yahoo.co.uk) says...
>>
><Plod Press release>
>> And they are looking to stop those riders who treat public roads as
>> high-speed race tracks by travelling at speeds often in excess of
>> 140mph, thereby putting their own lives in danger and also those of
>> other road users.
>
>How common *is* it for someone on a bike to kill/injure someone else
>(pillions excluded)?

This is always my argument. Essentially, bikers only kill themselves.
Why does anyone else care?
--
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GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

mups

Champ ukrm@champ.org.uk says...
> On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:44:29 +0000 (UTC), Wizard <wizard@ukrm.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >How common *is* it for someone on a bike to kill/injure someone else
> >(pillions excluded)?
>
> This is always my argument. Essentially, bikers only kill themselves.
> Why does anyone else care?

It makes their figures look bad and appeases the "something must be
done" brigade.

Some people appear to have no concept of 'risks can be fun',
unfortunately a lot of these people seem to end up in positions of
influence.

--
Chris (XChrislX@Xchurchstone.comX) Remove X's for address
CBR1000FL The Honda Fatblade
Yam RS200 Ring-a-Ding

Lozzo

mups says...
> Champ ukrm@champ.org.uk says...
> > On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:44:29 +0000 (UTC), Wizard <wizard@ukrm.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >How common *is* it for someone on a bike to kill/injure someone else
> > >(pillions excluded)?
> >
> > This is always my argument. Essentially, bikers only kill themselves.
> > Why does anyone else care?
>
> It makes their figures look bad and appeases the "something must be
> done" brigade.
>
> Some people appear to have no concept of 'risks can be fun',
> unfortunately a lot of these people seem to end up in positions of
> influence.

I can't see why Northants are bothering. Local bikers from my area avoid
Northants like the plague because of the 'speed kills and we must fine
everyone' stance taken by the police there. I can't think of anyone
who'd willingly go to Northants specifically to ride their roads.

--
Lozzo: The SpeedySpic
Yamaha YZF1000R Thunderace
Fahn Cahn

platypus

Wizard wrote:
> In article <zsEGc.527$37.5842154@news-text.cableinet.net>, platypus
> (platypus@ukrm.org) says...
>> Wizard wrote:
>> > In article <TXDGc.900$4X.549@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net>, jsp
>> > (jataomm@yahoo.co.uk) says...
>> >>
>> > <Plod Press release>
>> >> And they are looking to stop those riders who treat public roads
>> >> as high-speed race tracks by travelling at speeds often in excess
>> >> of 140mph, thereby putting their own lives in danger and also
>> >> those of other road users.
>> >
>> > How common *is* it for someone on a bike to kill/injure someone
>> > else (pillions excluded)?
>>
>> Dunno about how much it actually happens, but a quarter ton of metal
>> going out of control at three-figure speeds would seem to pose a
>> significant risk to other road users.
>
> Sure, *if* it happens and *if* someone else is in the way, it's a
> major problem. But how often *does* it happen whrn someone else is
> exposed to risk?
>
> I'm trying to think of instances... oddly enough I witnessed one
> pedestrian injured by a biker when I was about 17, and I can think of
> one pedestrian killed about that same time. But since then...
> pedestrians being taken out by bikers... I'm racking my brains and I
> can't think of any. Surely on the sort of routes this thread is about,
> pedestrians are few and far between?

My brother once put his CB500T into the front of a Capri: stopped it in its
tracks, pushed the engine back 2', and he wasn't going particularly fast.
If I slung the Trophy into the front of a school bus at 120mph, I'd /expect/
a high score.

The problem is, it's a /potential/ risk. Every weekend, bikers faceplant
the scenery - it's not a "never happen" scenario. It's only a tiny
extrapolation to "What if someone was in the way?"

If somebody /does/ take out half a dozen kids on a school bus, /then/ we'll
see kneejerk.

--
Platypus

"thang"

Ace

On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 20:37:24 +0100, "dwb" <parc_erom@crossdata.co.uk>
wrote:

>jsp wrote:
>
>> Inspector Chris Hume, of Northamptonshire Police’s Operations
>> Department, explained that officers would be targeting three popular
>> motorcyclist routes in the county.
>>
>> He said: “Speed enforcement will take place on the routes and we will
>> also have roving cyclists on patrol but it is important to stress that
>> we are not intent on stopping and questioning every motorcyclist.
>>
>> “Our intelligence is able to identify certain riders that we would
>> like to speak to, and these will concentrate on the top end of the
>> worst offenders.
>>
>> “The filter system is a quick process and we are only interested in
>> taking the small and dangerous element off the roads.
>
>That _almost_ sounds a reasonable approach...

No it doesn't. Deliberately targetting the best riders on the road,
while leaving the incompetent newbies alone, is far from reasonable
IMO.

--
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GSX-R1000K3, CB400F2
BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, BOTCdV#1

Paul Varnsverry

mups <mups@chrisNOTREALADDR.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.1b5545de52b3e10a989686@news.freeserve.co .uk>...
>
> It makes their figures look bad and appeases the "something must be
> done" brigade.
>

"Something that must be done" in Northamptonshire would be to maintain
the roads! The state of some of them is atrocious and not at all
conducive to the safety of motorcyclists. I reported two stretches of
damaged road to the "Clarence" hotline in May 2003. July 2004 and the
roads in question haven't been touched!

The local newpaper letters page has seen a steady flow of
correspondence on the issue (see:
http://www.northamptontoday.co.uk/Vi...ticleID=817738).
The response from the leader of the County Council, and the County
Councillor in charge of finance, is that they have spent the road
repairs budget on "more deserving causes" such as schools and
provision of care for the elderly. Unfortunately, as their opposition
have pointed out, independent reports on the performance of the
Council have revealed that they are failing to provide a satisafctory
service in these two areas also!

As someone has said elsewhere in this thread, why would anyone want to
bother travelling to Northamptonshire to ride along the identified
routes? Unless they want to risk damaging tyres, wheels, suspension -
or much more! - on the county's increasingly third-world standard
highways, they are prudent to stay away. Unfortunately, we locals have
to weave between the potholes, subsidence and eroded surfaces with
their low coefficient of friction as we head for the county border and
untarnished tarmac in neighbouring counties!

Mike

Paul Varnsverry wrote:
> mups <mups@chrisNOTREALADDR.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.1b5545de52b3e10a989686@news.freeserve.co .uk>...
>
>>It makes their figures look bad and appeases the "something must be
>>done" brigade.
>>
>
>
> "Something that must be done" in Northamptonshire would be to maintain
> the roads! The state of some of them is atrocious and not at all
> conducive to the safety of motorcyclists. I reported two stretches of
> damaged road to the "Clarence" hotline in May 2003. July 2004 and the
> roads in question haven't been touched!
>

I thought that if you told the local council in writing they legally had
to do something and they became liable for damage?

I certainly got action round here about a couple of potholes which
appeared when I wrote to the council. Only takes a couple of lines (like
where it is and how somebody could come off their bike and they might
now be liable having been told about it).

--

Mike Hall
Trophy 3

dwb

Ace wrote:
>
> No it doesn't. Deliberately targetting the best riders on the road,
> while leaving the incompetent newbies alone, is far from reasonable
> IMO.

You what? HOw are you making that stunning assumption?

"The best riders on the road" are the ones doing (an alleged) 140mph?

Champ

On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:07:38 +0100, "dwb" <parc_erom@crossdata.co.uk>
wrote:

>Ace wrote:
>>
>> No it doesn't. Deliberately targetting the best riders on the road,
>> while leaving the incompetent newbies alone, is far from reasonable
>> IMO.
>
>You what? HOw are you making that stunning assumption?
>
>"The best riders on the road" are the ones doing (an alleged) 140mph?

Duh! Obviously, they're the ones competent enough to go that fast.
The crap riders would be too scared.
--
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GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

Rope

Ace spoke:
> IMO.

There's nothing humble about you, eh Bruce?

;^)

--
Rob_P
UKRM(at)indqualtec.co.uk
uppercase(d) BBIWYMC#1 BOG#11? MRO#31 IBCDBBB#1(kotl)
FJ1200, CCM130
Just call me Charlie Brown

dwb

Champ wrote:

>>> No it doesn't. Deliberately targetting the best riders on the road,
>>> while leaving the incompetent newbies alone, is far from reasonable
>>> IMO.
>>
>> You what? HOw are you making that stunning assumption?
>>
>> "The best riders on the road" are the ones doing (an alleged) 140mph?
>
> Duh! Obviously, they're the ones competent enough to go that fast.
> The crap riders would be too scared.

See, that's more logical. Still, IMO, crap but at least more logical crap.

Petel

"Lozzo" <lozzo@lozzo.org.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b55470d6ffa7013989adc@news.individual.ne t...

>
> I can't see why Northants are bothering. Local bikers from my area avoid
> Northants like the plague because of the 'speed kills and we must fine
> everyone' stance taken by the police there. I can't think of anyone
> who'd willingly go to Northants specifically to ride their roads.
>

Neither can I ;-)

--
Petel .(Pig-Baiter)
02 M2 Buell.
C90-ZZR.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/peteh1/website/index.html

Ace

On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:37:59 +0100, "dwb" <parc_erom@crossdata.co.uk>
wrote:

>Champ wrote:
>
>>>> No it doesn't. Deliberately targetting the best riders on the road,
>>>> while leaving the incompetent newbies alone, is far from reasonable
>>>> IMO.
>>>
>>> You what? HOw are you making that stunning assumption?
>>>
>>> "The best riders on the road" are the ones doing (an alleged) 140mph?
>>
>> Duh! Obviously, they're the ones competent enough to go that fast.
>> The crap riders would be too scared.
>
>See, that's more logical.

Than what? s'exactly what I was inferring.

>Still, IMO, crap but at least more logical crap.

Just 'cos you can't.


--
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GSX-R1000K3, CB400F2
BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, BOTCdV#1

Ace

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 11:36:03 +0100, Rope <spam@ukrm.net> wrote:

>Ace spoke:
>> IMO.
>
>There's nothing humble about you, eh Bruce?
>
>;^)

Err, no. Why should there be?

--
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GSX-R1000K3, CB400F2
BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, BOTCdV#1

Champ

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:59:00 +0200, Ace <b.rogers@virgin.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 11:36:03 +0100, Rope <spam@ukrm.net> wrote:
>
>>Ace spoke:
>>> IMO.
>>
>>There's nothing humble about you, eh Bruce?
>>
>>;^)
>
>Err, no. Why should there be?

heh. I never use "imho", either.
--
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GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

dwb

Ace wrote:
>
>> Still, IMO, crap but at least more logical crap.
>
> Just 'cos you can't.

Er, actually I can. But that kind of proves the whole crapness of the
argument.

Just because you can go fast in a straight line, doesn't mean you're in
anyway competent.

Champ

On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:14:08 +0100, "dwb" <parc_erom@crossdata.co.uk>
wrote:

>Ace wrote:
>>
>>> Still, IMO, crap but at least more logical crap.
>>
>> Just 'cos you can't.
>
>Er, actually I can. But that kind of proves the whole crapness of the
>argument.
>
>Just because you can go fast in a straight line, doesn't mean you're in
>anyway competent.

Who mentioned straight lines? And anyway, if you're going to do 140
on single carriageway A roads, even along the shortish straights, you
need to be pretty confident you can deal with the fast approaching
corners.
--
Champ
GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

dwb

Champ wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:14:08 +0100, "dwb" <parc_erom@crossdata.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Ace wrote:
>>>
>>>> Still, IMO, crap but at least more logical crap.
>>>
>>> Just 'cos you can't.
>>
>> Er, actually I can. But that kind of proves the whole crapness of the
>> argument.
>>
>> Just because you can go fast in a straight line, doesn't mean you're
>> in anyway competent.
>
> Who mentioned straight lines? And anyway, if you're going to do 140
> on single carriageway A roads, even along the shortish straights, you
> need to be pretty confident you can deal with the fast approaching
> corners.

Well they don't specifically say whether the 140mph brigade are doing it on
single carriage A roads or on the dual carriage way bits - but FWIW I've
seen (indicated) 140+ speeds on single carraige roads - but yes, I did need
to have some awareness of what was coming - you just never know when a set
of part time use traffic lights might actually be in use, but have really
dim bulbs *cough*.

Again though, I would not class myself as a competent rider just because I
can reach that speed.

darsy

Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>Who mentioned straight lines? And anyway, if you're going to do 140
>on single carriageway A roads, even along the shortish straights, you
>need to be pretty confident you can deal with the fast approaching
>corners.

or just stupid and lucky.

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darsy
r65ls|zx-7r|cbr929rr-1

Ace

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:54:31 +0100, darsy <darsy@sticky.co.uk> wrote:

>Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>Who mentioned straight lines? And anyway, if you're going to do 140
>>on single carriageway A roads, even along the shortish straights, you
>>need to be pretty confident you can deal with the fast approaching
>>corners.
>
>or just stupid and lucky.

Heh. Works for me :-)

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Champ

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:54:31 +0100, darsy <darsy@sticky.co.uk> wrote:

>Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>Who mentioned straight lines? And anyway, if you're going to do 140
>>on single carriageway A roads, even along the shortish straights, you
>>need to be pretty confident you can deal with the fast approaching
>>corners.
>
>or just stupid and lucky.

Hmmm. You might have something there. Still, the lucky streak hasn't
run out yet.
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Champ
GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
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darsy

Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:54:31 +0100, darsy <darsy@sticky.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>Who mentioned straight lines? And anyway, if you're going to do 140
>>>on single carriageway A roads, even along the shortish straights, you
>>>need to be pretty confident you can deal with the fast approaching
>>>corners.
>>
>>or just stupid and lucky.
>
>Hmmm. You might have something there. Still, the lucky streak hasn't
>run out yet.

"sufficiently advanced luck is indistinguishable from skill"[1].

[1] I think I might have this in my .sig.




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darsy
r65ls|zx-7r|cbr929rr-1

porl

"darsy" <darsy@sticky.co.uk> wrote in message
news:n9tne05c0adscpq12ms8binjlb7joq23al@4ax.com...
> Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:54:31 +0100, darsy <darsy@sticky.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Who mentioned straight lines? And anyway, if you're going to do 140
> >>>on single carriageway A roads, even along the shortish straights, you
> >>>need to be pretty confident you can deal with the fast approaching
> >>>corners.
> >>
> >>or just stupid and lucky.
> >
> >Hmmm. You might have something there. Still, the lucky streak hasn't
> >run out yet.
>
> "sufficiently advanced luck is indistinguishable from skill"[1].

"The longer I practice, the luckier I get"

ogden

darsy wrote:
>
> "sufficiently advanced luck is indistinguishable from skill"[1].
>
> [1] I think I might have this in my .sig.
>
> --
> darsy
> r65ls|zx-7r|cbr929rr-1

Nope.

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