Exhausts and heat

I've had the Quill T3 can on the Bandit 1200 for a couple of months now.
I'm fairly certain it's made a difference; the throttle response is
sharper, and there's definitely a kick as it passes ~5000 rpm. I have
noticed, though, that a lot more heat is being produced - my legs feel
much warmer. I'm aware that if the engine is making more power, then it
will give off more heat. What I don't know is whether this is a bad
thing or not; any advice?

If I'm being totally honest, I'll admit that the B12 doesn't need the
Quill; it's plenty fast enough for me with the standard can, and
although it sounds nicer through the T3, it's not bad at full chat with
the OEM unit in place; just a bit tame at tickover. I'm still not sure
whether to keep the T3 on it, in truth.

--
Darren Robinson
GSF1200K3+T3
GHPOTHUF#14, IbW#34, MIB#12, no points.

In article <pev5f0pjo2lmbj08kn4if5912eu839b809@4ax.com>, Darren Robinson
says...

> If I'm being totally honest, I'll admit that the B12 doesn't need the
> Quill; it's plenty fast enough for me with the standard can, and
> although it sounds nicer through the T3, it's not bad at full chat with
> the OEM unit in place; just a bit tame at tickover. I'm still not sure
> whether to keep the T3 on it, in truth.

Leave the quill on so that should you ever sell there's a nice shiny new
endcan to put back on the bike, also if it gets dropped a quill isn't
expensive to replace compared to OEM.

My 10p's worth.

--
Ginge [at] stopthevoices [dot] org [dot] uk

Darren Robinson wrote in news

ev5f0pjo2lmbj08kn4if5912eu839b809@4ax.com:

> I've had the Quill T3 can on the Bandit 1200 for a couple of months now.
> I'm fairly certain it's made a difference; the throttle response is
> sharper, and there's definitely a kick as it passes ~5000 rpm. I have
> noticed, though, that a lot more heat is being produced - my legs feel
> much warmer. I'm aware that if the engine is making more power, then it
> will give off more heat. What I don't know is whether this is a bad
> thing or not; any advice?
>

I assume the Quill is a hollow metal tube in comparison to the heavily
insulated OE can. The external part of the can is bound to get hotter. Not
a bad thing in the UK but tiresome if you go to Spain or similar.

--
BMW R1150GS

wessie <putmynamehere@ukrm.net> burbled:

>Darren Robinson wrote in news

ev5f0pjo2lmbj08kn4if5912eu839b809@4ax.com:
>
>> I've had the Quill T3 can on the Bandit 1200 for a couple of months now.
>> I'm fairly certain it's made a difference; the throttle response is
>> sharper, and there's definitely a kick as it passes ~5000 rpm. I have
>> noticed, though, that a lot more heat is being produced - my legs feel
>> much warmer. I'm aware that if the engine is making more power, then it
>> will give off more heat. What I don't know is whether this is a bad
>> thing or not; any advice?
>>
>
>I assume the Quill is a hollow metal tube in comparison to the heavily
>insulated OE can. The external part of the can is bound to get hotter. Not
>a bad thing in the UK but tiresome if you go to Spain or similar.

Yes, but the heat I feel is being given off by the engine itself. It's
extremely noticeable, especially through denim jeans.

--
Darren Robinson
GSF1200K3+T3
GHPOTHUF#14, IbW#34, MIB#12, no points.

Darren Robinson wrote:

> wessie <putmynamehere@ukrm.net> burbled:
>
>
>>Darren Robinson wrote in news

ev5f0pjo2lmbj08kn4if5912eu839b809@4ax.com:
>>
>>
>>>I've had the Quill T3 can on the Bandit 1200 for a couple of months now.
>>>I'm fairly certain it's made a difference; the throttle response is
>>>sharper, and there's definitely a kick as it passes ~5000 rpm. I have
>>>noticed, though, that a lot more heat is being produced - my legs feel
>>>much warmer. I'm aware that if the engine is making more power, then it
>>>will give off more heat. What I don't know is whether this is a bad
>>>thing or not; any advice?
>>>
>>
>>I assume the Quill is a hollow metal tube in comparison to the heavily
>>insulated OE can. The external part of the can is bound to get hotter. Not
>>a bad thing in the UK but tiresome if you go to Spain or similar.
>
>
> Yes, but the heat I feel is being given off by the engine itself. It's
> extremely noticeable, especially through denim jeans.

That would be the weak mixture due to the race can,
causing your engine to overheat.
Expect it to seize or hole a piston soon. :-)

"Darren Robinson" <darren@gsx550es.frooserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news

ev5f0pjo2lmbj08kn4if5912eu839b809@4ax.com...
> I've had the Quill T3 can on the Bandit 1200 for a couple of months now.
> I'm fairly certain it's made a difference; the throttle response is
> sharper, and there's definitely a kick as it passes ~5000 rpm. I have
> noticed, though, that a lot more heat is being produced - my legs feel
> much warmer. I'm aware that if the engine is making more power, then it
> will give off more heat. What I don't know is whether this is a bad
> thing or not; any advice?

Technically (and very very simply), if the engine is producing more power
from the same amount of fuel then if set up right it should be cooler as the
energy will turn the crank rather than warm the other bits of the bike.

To get warmer legs implies greater heat off the block which is probably just
your imagination or you being more aggressive due to the can...

The silencer will, however, probably feel hotter as you now have a plain
absorbtion(sp?) baffle so there's just a flow of very hot gases through a
tube...

> If I'm being totally honest, I'll admit that the B12 doesn't need the
> Quill; it's plenty fast enough for me with the standard can, and
> although it sounds nicer through the T3, it's not bad at full chat with
> the OEM unit in place; just a bit tame at tickover. I'm still not sure
> whether to keep the T3 on it, in truth.

Yes a B12 *does* need a new can/system! Its a mere 100bhp as standard and a
the can/system release loads more.... 20% more power *will_not* mean 20%
more speed so it'll still only be 'plenty fast enough', but it'll be much
more fun..

)

Dave

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Darren Robinson wrote:

> If I'm being totally honest, I'll admit that the B12 doesn't need the
> Quill; it's plenty fast enough for me with the standard can, and
> although it sounds nicer through the T3, it's not bad at full chat with
> the OEM unit in place; just a bit tame at tickover. I'm still not sure
> whether to keep the T3 on it, in truth.

I can see you're in perplexment.

Give it to me and feel better.

--
CBR1000FL - Pleasure
R850R - Pain

Darren said:

> Quill, power, heat, stuff.

I've got an ART can on mine, and it's certainly noisy, but I am a firm
believer that noise in the right place is a good thing.

In a colleagues car just a few days ago, heading into town, sitting in
traffic, wanting the next right hand turning. Driver started to indicate,
when I said, "hang on, I can hear a bike - can you see it?" (she's a bit
lacking in bike awareness), "no", came the repsonse, along with a
cancelled indicator. Sure enough a second or so later, A shiny MV Augusta
F4 trundled passed us. Not at speed, just filtering.

Anyhow, I digress, On the odd occassions that I ride tha bandit without
leathers, I really notice the engine warmth underneath the parts of my
legs directly above the engine. First time it was a little un-nerving, I
even checked my oil levels - then I realised it was the first time riding
in warm weather without leathers.

Leave the quill on, you've paid for it, it's worth diddly on fleabay and
it does help the bike exhale better. The extra oomph, is user defineable -
you don't have to yank the throttle, or twist it all the way round!

--
Dnc

Doesnotcompute wrote:

> you don't have to yank the throttle, or twist it all the way round!

How's that work, then?

Eddie said:

>> you don't have to yank the throttle,
>> or twist it all the way round!

>How's that work, then?

I know, it IS an alien concept. One I don't practice very often. I hear
it's likened to pretending the traffic around you matters, or, if there is
no traffic, pretending there is and that if it was it would matter.

or something. Wibble Flip....

--
Dnc

WavyDavy wrote:
>
> The silencer will, however, probably feel hotter as you now have a
> plain absorbtion(sp?) baffle so there's just a flow of very hot gases
> through a tube...

I found the opposite on the SV when I had the Ti can fitted - it was cooler.

<moron mode>
Shouldn't this actually be the case as the standard can has a lot more
baffles in it to lower the noise.
That noise has to turn into something, I thought it would turn into heat.
</mm>

dwb wrote
>WavyDavy wrote:
>>
>> The silencer will, however, probably feel hotter as you now have a
>> plain absorbtion(sp?) baffle so there's just a flow of very hot gases
>> through a tube...
>
>I found the opposite on the SV when I had the Ti can fitted - it was cooler.
>
><moron mode>
>Shouldn't this actually be the case as the standard can has a lot more
>baffles in it to lower the noise.
>That noise has to turn into something,
></mm>

It turns into millions of pretty butterflies flapping their gaily
coloured wings gently on the cooling summer breeze.

--
steve auvache

Auvache said:

>It turns into millions of pretty butterflies flapping their
>gaily coloured wings gently on the cooling summer breeze.

A pint of what that man is snorting please.

--
Dnc

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:44:49 GMT, dwb scrawled:

> I found the opposite on the SV when I had the Ti can fitted - it was
> cooler.
>
><moron mode>
> Shouldn't this actually be the case as the standard can has a lot more
> baffles in it to lower the noise.
> That noise has to turn into something, I thought it would turn into
> heat.
></mm>
>

I'd have thought that the more baffles in it would effectively expose a
greater surface area of metal to the hot gases - so more heat will get
into the casing, rather than being ejected directly.

The baffles just alter the frequency of the sound, IIRC, which makes it
sound a bit quieter (what I'm referring to here is the combination of
frequency and amplitude that makes something seem louder - referred to as
phon - a high pitched squeal will sound louder than a low pitched rumble
at the same volume.)

--
http://www.noddingdogs.org - find bikers in your area.

Visit http://www.rexx.co.uk to email me.

"dwb" <parc_erom@crossdata.co.uk> wrote in message
news:2lhsp1Fc3d04U1@uni-berlin.de...
> WavyDavy wrote:
> >
> > The silencer will, however, probably feel hotter as you now have a
> > plain absorbtion(sp?) baffle so there's just a flow of very hot gases
> > through a tube...
>
> I found the opposite on the SV when I had the Ti can fitted - it was
cooler.
>
> <moron mode>
> Shouldn't this actually be the case as the standard can has a lot more
> baffles in it to lower the noise.
> That noise has to turn into something, I thought it would turn into heat.
> </mm>

<unscientific guesswork mode>
But the standard can would have lots more metal and tubing inside for the
heat to be conducted through, whereas with a straight through can the gases
just have a little bit of wadding between them and the outer skin
</ugw>

Who knows?

Well I'm sure someone must know so maybe I'll leave it up to them to answer
the question definitively.

What *was* the question again, anyway?

Dave

"WavyDavy" <dnk.haynes@btopenwurld.com> burbled:

>The silencer will, however, probably feel hotter as you now have a plain
>absorbtion(sp?) baffle so there's just a flow of very hot gases through a
>tube...

It's almost, but not quite, that simple. The Quill T3 (marked only with
BSAU193A-T3/1990) has a baffle of sorts, which (according to the blurb)
seems to have some sort of pressure-reactive valve thingy in it; under
~5000 revs it acts as a moderately baffled street can and above that it
acts as a straight through.

--
Darren Robinson
GSF1200K3+T3
GHPOTHUF#14, IbW#34, MIB#12, no points.

	#1
Darren Robinson	Exhausts and heat I've had the Quill T3 can on the Bandit 1200 for a couple of months now. I'm fairly certain it's made a difference; the throttle response is sharper, and there's definitely a kick as it passes ~5000 rpm. I have noticed, though, that a lot more heat is being produced - my legs feel much warmer. I'm aware that if the engine is making more power, then it will give off more heat. What I don't know is whether this is a bad thing or not; any advice? If I'm being totally honest, I'll admit that the B12 doesn't need the Quill; it's plenty fast enough for me with the standard can, and although it sounds nicer through the T3, it's not bad at full chat with the OEM unit in place; just a bit tame at tickover. I'm still not sure whether to keep the T3 on it, in truth. -- Darren Robinson GSF1200K3+T3 GHPOTHUF#14, IbW#34, MIB#12, no points.

	#2
Ginge	Re: Exhausts and heat In article <pev5f0pjo2lmbj08kn4if5912eu839b809@4ax.com>, Darren Robinson says... > If I'm being totally honest, I'll admit that the B12 doesn't need the > Quill; it's plenty fast enough for me with the standard can, and > although it sounds nicer through the T3, it's not bad at full chat with > the OEM unit in place; just a bit tame at tickover. I'm still not sure > whether to keep the T3 on it, in truth. Leave the quill on so that should you ever sell there's a nice shiny new endcan to put back on the bike, also if it gets dropped a quill isn't expensive to replace compared to OEM. My 10p's worth. -- Ginge [at] stopthevoices [dot] org [dot] uk

	#3
wessie	Re: Exhausts and heat Darren Robinson wrote in newsev5f0pjo2lmbj08kn4if5912eu839b809@4ax.com: > I've had the Quill T3 can on the Bandit 1200 for a couple of months now. > I'm fairly certain it's made a difference; the throttle response is > sharper, and there's definitely a kick as it passes ~5000 rpm. I have > noticed, though, that a lot more heat is being produced - my legs feel > much warmer. I'm aware that if the engine is making more power, then it > will give off more heat. What I don't know is whether this is a bad > thing or not; any advice? > I assume the Quill is a hollow metal tube in comparison to the heavily insulated OE can. The external part of the can is bound to get hotter. Not a bad thing in the UK but tiresome if you go to Spain or similar. -- BMW R1150GS

	#4
Darren Robinson	Re: Exhausts and heat wessie <putmynamehere@ukrm.net> burbled: >Darren Robinson wrote in newsev5f0pjo2lmbj08kn4if5912eu839b809@4ax.com: > >> I've had the Quill T3 can on the Bandit 1200 for a couple of months now. >> I'm fairly certain it's made a difference; the throttle response is >> sharper, and there's definitely a kick as it passes ~5000 rpm. I have >> noticed, though, that a lot more heat is being produced - my legs feel >> much warmer. I'm aware that if the engine is making more power, then it >> will give off more heat. What I don't know is whether this is a bad >> thing or not; any advice? >> > >I assume the Quill is a hollow metal tube in comparison to the heavily >insulated OE can. The external part of the can is bound to get hotter. Not >a bad thing in the UK but tiresome if you go to Spain or similar. Yes, but the heat I feel is being given off by the engine itself. It's extremely noticeable, especially through denim jeans. -- Darren Robinson GSF1200K3+T3 GHPOTHUF#14, IbW#34, MIB#12, no points.

	#5
Eiron	Re: Exhausts and heat Darren Robinson wrote: > wessie <putmynamehere@ukrm.net> burbled: > > >>Darren Robinson wrote in newsev5f0pjo2lmbj08kn4if5912eu839b809@4ax.com: >> >> >>>I've had the Quill T3 can on the Bandit 1200 for a couple of months now. >>>I'm fairly certain it's made a difference; the throttle response is >>>sharper, and there's definitely a kick as it passes ~5000 rpm. I have >>>noticed, though, that a lot more heat is being produced - my legs feel >>>much warmer. I'm aware that if the engine is making more power, then it >>>will give off more heat. What I don't know is whether this is a bad >>>thing or not; any advice? >>> >> >>I assume the Quill is a hollow metal tube in comparison to the heavily >>insulated OE can. The external part of the can is bound to get hotter. Not >>a bad thing in the UK but tiresome if you go to Spain or similar. > > > Yes, but the heat I feel is being given off by the engine itself. It's > extremely noticeable, especially through denim jeans. That would be the weak mixture due to the race can, causing your engine to overheat. Expect it to seize or hole a piston soon. :-)

	#6
WavyDavy	Re: Exhausts and heat "Darren Robinson" <darren@gsx550es.frooserve.co.uk> wrote in message newsev5f0pjo2lmbj08kn4if5912eu839b809@4ax.com... > I've had the Quill T3 can on the Bandit 1200 for a couple of months now. > I'm fairly certain it's made a difference; the throttle response is > sharper, and there's definitely a kick as it passes ~5000 rpm. I have > noticed, though, that a lot more heat is being produced - my legs feel > much warmer. I'm aware that if the engine is making more power, then it > will give off more heat. What I don't know is whether this is a bad > thing or not; any advice? Technically (and very very simply), if the engine is producing more power from the same amount of fuel then if set up right it should be cooler as the energy will turn the crank rather than warm the other bits of the bike. To get warmer legs implies greater heat off the block which is probably just your imagination or you being more aggressive due to the can... The silencer will, however, probably feel hotter as you now have a plain absorbtion(sp?) baffle so there's just a flow of very hot gases through a tube... > If I'm being totally honest, I'll admit that the B12 doesn't need the > Quill; it's plenty fast enough for me with the standard can, and > although it sounds nicer through the T3, it's not bad at full chat with > the OEM unit in place; just a bit tame at tickover. I'm still not sure > whether to keep the T3 on it, in truth. Yes a B12 does need a new can/system! Its a mere 100bhp as standard and a the can/system release loads more.... 20% more power will_not mean 20% more speed so it'll still only be 'plenty fast enough', but it'll be much more fun.. ) Dave

	#7
Whinging Courier	Re: Exhausts and heat In uk.rec.motorcycles, Darren Robinson wrote: > If I'm being totally honest, I'll admit that the B12 doesn't need the > Quill; it's plenty fast enough for me with the standard can, and > although it sounds nicer through the T3, it's not bad at full chat with > the OEM unit in place; just a bit tame at tickover. I'm still not sure > whether to keep the T3 on it, in truth. I can see you're in perplexment. Give it to me and feel better. -- CBR1000FL - Pleasure R850R - Pain

	#8
Doesnotcompute	Re: Exhausts and heat Darren said: > Quill, power, heat, stuff. I've got an ART can on mine, and it's certainly noisy, but I am a firm believer that noise in the right place is a good thing. In a colleagues car just a few days ago, heading into town, sitting in traffic, wanting the next right hand turning. Driver started to indicate, when I said, "hang on, I can hear a bike - can you see it?" (she's a bit lacking in bike awareness), "no", came the repsonse, along with a cancelled indicator. Sure enough a second or so later, A shiny MV Augusta F4 trundled passed us. Not at speed, just filtering. Anyhow, I digress, On the odd occassions that I ride tha bandit without leathers, I really notice the engine warmth underneath the parts of my legs directly above the engine. First time it was a little un-nerving, I even checked my oil levels - then I realised it was the first time riding in warm weather without leathers. Leave the quill on, you've paid for it, it's worth diddly on fleabay and it does help the bike exhale better. The extra oomph, is user defineable - you don't have to yank the throttle, or twist it all the way round! -- Dnc

	#9
Eddie	Re: Exhausts and heat Doesnotcompute wrote: > you don't have to yank the throttle, or twist it all the way round! How's that work, then?

	#10
Doesnotcompute	Re: Exhausts and heat Eddie said: >> you don't have to yank the throttle, >> or twist it all the way round! >How's that work, then? I know, it IS an alien concept. One I don't practice very often. I hear it's likened to pretending the traffic around you matters, or, if there is no traffic, pretending there is and that if it was it would matter. or something. Wibble Flip.... -- Dnc

	#11
dwb	Re: Exhausts and heat WavyDavy wrote: > > The silencer will, however, probably feel hotter as you now have a > plain absorbtion(sp?) baffle so there's just a flow of very hot gases > through a tube... I found the opposite on the SV when I had the Ti can fitted - it was cooler. <moron mode> Shouldn't this actually be the case as the standard can has a lot more baffles in it to lower the noise. That noise has to turn into something, I thought it would turn into heat. </mm>

	#12
steve auvache	Re: Exhausts and heat dwb wrote >WavyDavy wrote: >> >> The silencer will, however, probably feel hotter as you now have a >> plain absorbtion(sp?) baffle so there's just a flow of very hot gases >> through a tube... > >I found the opposite on the SV when I had the Ti can fitted - it was cooler. > ><moron mode> >Shouldn't this actually be the case as the standard can has a lot more >baffles in it to lower the noise. >That noise has to turn into something, ></mm> It turns into millions of pretty butterflies flapping their gaily coloured wings gently on the cooling summer breeze. -- steve auvache

	#13
Doesnotcompute	Re: Exhausts and heat Auvache said: >It turns into millions of pretty butterflies flapping their >gaily coloured wings gently on the cooling summer breeze. A pint of what that man is snorting please. -- Dnc

	#14
Rexx	Re: Exhausts and heat On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:44:49 GMT, dwb scrawled: > I found the opposite on the SV when I had the Ti can fitted - it was > cooler. > ><moron mode> > Shouldn't this actually be the case as the standard can has a lot more > baffles in it to lower the noise. > That noise has to turn into something, I thought it would turn into > heat. ></mm> > I'd have thought that the more baffles in it would effectively expose a greater surface area of metal to the hot gases - so more heat will get into the casing, rather than being ejected directly. The baffles just alter the frequency of the sound, IIRC, which makes it sound a bit quieter (what I'm referring to here is the combination of frequency and amplitude that makes something seem louder - referred to as phon - a high pitched squeal will sound louder than a low pitched rumble at the same volume.) -- http://www.noddingdogs.org - find bikers in your area. Visit http://www.rexx.co.uk to email me.

	#15
WavyDavy	Re: Exhausts and heat "dwb" <parc_erom@crossdata.co.uk> wrote in message news:2lhsp1Fc3d04U1@uni-berlin.de... > WavyDavy wrote: > > > > The silencer will, however, probably feel hotter as you now have a > > plain absorbtion(sp?) baffle so there's just a flow of very hot gases > > through a tube... > > I found the opposite on the SV when I had the Ti can fitted - it was cooler. > > <moron mode> > Shouldn't this actually be the case as the standard can has a lot more > baffles in it to lower the noise. > That noise has to turn into something, I thought it would turn into heat. > </mm> <unscientific guesswork mode> But the standard can would have lots more metal and tubing inside for the heat to be conducted through, whereas with a straight through can the gases just have a little bit of wadding between them and the outer skin </ugw> Who knows? Well I'm sure someone must know so maybe I'll leave it up to them to answer the question definitively. What was the question again, anyway? Dave

	#16
Darren Robinson	Re: Exhausts and heat "WavyDavy" <dnk.haynes@btopenwurld.com> burbled: >The silencer will, however, probably feel hotter as you now have a plain >absorbtion(sp?) baffle so there's just a flow of very hot gases through a >tube... It's almost, but not quite, that simple. The Quill T3 (marked only with BSAU193A-T3/1990) has a baffle of sorts, which (according to the blurb) seems to have some sort of pressure-reactive valve thingy in it; under ~5000 revs it acts as a moderately baffled street can and above that it acts as a straight through. -- Darren Robinson GSF1200K3+T3 GHPOTHUF#14, IbW#34, MIB#12, no points.