engine flush?

I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the clock
and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you recommend using
engine flush? It's been well looked after and the oil I drained out
was discoloured, but not terrible.

Adam

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:02:54 -0700, apgamsa@googlemail.com wrote:

>I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the clock
>and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you recommend using
>engine flush? It's been well looked after and the oil I drained out
>was discoloured, but not terrible.

Was the oil black or was it one of these scary red looking things?
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apgamsa@googlemail.com wrote:

> I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the clock
> and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you recommend using
> engine flush? It's been well looked after and the oil I drained out
> was discoloured, but not terrible.

Buy some cheaper oil and change twice or thrice at 500 mile intervals.

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<apgamsa@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1185026574.738824.243100@q75g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...
> I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the clock
> and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you recommend using
> engine flush? It's been well looked after and the oil I drained out
> was discoloured, but not terrible.

"Engine flush" can cause more problems than it solves. Better to just put
in some cheap oil and change any in a weeks time, remembering to drain when
it's really hot.

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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:02:54 -0700, apgamsa@googlemail.com wrote:

>I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the clock
>and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you recommend using
>engine flush? It's been well looked after and the oil I drained out
>was discoloured, but not terrible.

I used to use engine flush regularly and never had any of the problems
people talk about, but I've heard warnings of terrible things
happening. Having said that, I've never heard a first-hand tale of one
of these terrible happenings, either.

These days I don't bother: having never done a control test I never
knew if it helped or not, so I figured that it probably wasn't worth
it. Certainly my Guzzi's internals were spotless after 30K miles of
just using good quality oil changed more-or-less at the correct
intervals; I never used flushing oil on it.

If you have doubts about the state of the engine internals then just
run the engine for a hundred miles or so on cheaper oil and then do a
proper oil/filter change.

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In article <1185026574.738824.243100@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups .com>,
apgamsa@googlemail.com writes
>I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the clock
>and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you recommend using
>engine flush? It's been well looked after and the oil I drained out
>was discoloured, but not terrible.

Don't bother mate, it is a 15 year old Quack, the oil will be out of
that and marking your passage with a thin black line on the road behind
you soon enough anyway. Just keep topping it up as needs be.

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In article <xn0f8yz4n18ig2006@nermal.unix-consult.com>,
tnewsSPAMMENOT@unixconsult.co.uk says...

> apgamsa@googlemail.com wrote:
>
> > I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the clock
> > and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you recommend using
> > engine flush? It's been well looked after and the oil I drained out
> > was discoloured, but not terrible.
>
> Buy some cheaper oil and change twice or thrice at 500 mile intervals.

What 'e said but I'd do it at 200 ;-)
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 08:26:49 +0100, Whinging Courier
<markonusenet@TAKEITAWAYyahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <xn0f8yz4n18ig2006@nermal.unix-consult.com>,
>tnewsSPAMMENOT@unixconsult.co.uk says...
>
>> apgamsa@googlemail.com wrote:
>>
>> > I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the clock
>> > and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you recommend using
>> > engine flush? It's been well looked after and the oil I drained out
>> > was discoloured, but not terrible.
>>
>> Buy some cheaper oil and change twice or thrice at 500 mile intervals.
>
>What 'e said but I'd do it at 200 ;-)

Wouldn't go past 150, myself.

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Pip wrote:

> >> > I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the
> clock >> > and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you
> recommend using >> > engine flush? It's been well looked after and
> the oil I drained out >> > was discoloured, but not terrible.
> >>
> >> Buy some cheaper oil and change twice or thrice at 500 mile
> intervals.
> >
> > What 'e said but I'd do it at 200 ;-)
>
> Wouldn't go past 150, myself.

I think you're all out and wouldn't go past 100.

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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 10:07:00 +0100, "Cab"
<my_email_address_is_in_my_sig@privacy.net> wrote:

>Pip wrote:
>
>> >> > I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the
>> clock >> > and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you
>> recommend using >> > engine flush? It's been well looked after and
>> the oil I drained out >> > was discoloured, but not terrible.
>> >>
>> >> Buy some cheaper oil and change twice or thrice at 500 mile
>> intervals.
>> >
>> > What 'e said but I'd do it at 200 ;-)
>>
>> Wouldn't go past 150, myself.
>
>I think you're all out and wouldn't go past 100.

I personally change my oil every 7km.
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On Jul 21, 3:06 pm, BGN <nickmoo...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:02:54 -0700, apga...@googlemail.com wrote:
> >I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the clock
> >and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you recommend using
> >engine flush? It's been well looked after and the oil I drained out
> >was discoloured, but not terrible.
>
> Was the oil black or was it one of these scary red looking things?
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Nope, black. Have you seen oil coming out red from a bike?!

> "Engine flush" can cause more problems than it solves. Better to just put
> in some cheap oil and change any in a weeks time, remembering to drain when
> it's really hot.

> Dave

OK, I won't risk it if people think it's risky.

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 04:51:42 -0700, apgamsa <apgamsa@googlemail.com>
wrote:

>On Jul 21, 3:06 pm, BGN <nickmoo...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:02:54 -0700, apga...@googlemail.com wrote:
>> >I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the clock
>> >and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you recommend using
>> >engine flush? It's been well looked after and the oil I drained out
>> >was discoloured, but not terrible.
>>
>> Was the oil black or was it one of these scary red looking things?
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>> -- GSF600nwww.bgn.me.uk- Drive until you lose the road
>
>Nope, black. Have you seen oil coming out red from a bike?!

Only if it's red oil... you said it was 'discoloured' which made me
believe it was not black.
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:33:01 +0100, BGN <nickmooney@spamcop.net>
wrote:

>On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 04:51:42 -0700, apgamsa <apgamsa@googlemail.com>
>wrote:

>>Nope, black. Have you seen oil coming out red from a bike?!
>
>Only if it's red oil... you said it was 'discoloured' which made me
>believe it was not black.

Have you never seen oil before it goes into an engine? Hint: It's not
black before use.

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apgamsa wrote:

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>
> Nope, black. Have you seen oil coming out red from a bike?!

Snip the sigs. There's a good chap.

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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:59:05 +0200, Ace <seesig@virgin.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:33:01 +0100, BGN <nickmooney@spamcop.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 04:51:42 -0700, apgamsa <apgamsa@googlemail.com>
>>wrote:
>
>>>Nope, black. Have you seen oil coming out red from a bike?!
>>
>>Only if it's red oil... you said it was 'discoloured' which made me
>>believe it was not black.
>
>Have you never seen oil before it goes into an engine? Hint: It's not
>black before use.

I have seen oil before. The OP said that the oil which came out of
his bike was discoloured. As oil, when it's been used for any length
of time, is generally black I enquired as to the colour of it and he
replied black. So I'm not sure what the whole discolouration thing is
all about.
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:50:09 +0100, BGN <nickmooney@spamcop.net>
wrote:

>On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:59:05 +0200, Ace <seesig@virgin.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:33:01 +0100, BGN <nickmooney@spamcop.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 04:51:42 -0700, apgamsa <apgamsa@googlemail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>
>>>>Nope, black. Have you seen oil coming out red from a bike?!
>>>
>>>Only if it's red oil... you said it was 'discoloured' which made me
>>>believe it was not black.
>>
>>Have you never seen oil before it goes into an engine? Hint: It's not
>>black before use.
>
>I have seen oil before. The OP said that the oil which came out of
>his bike was discoloured. As oil, when it's been used for any length
>of time, is generally black I enquired as to the colour of it and he
>replied black. So I'm not sure what the whole discolouration thing is
>all about.

It turns black.

YTC.
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:30:54 +0200, Ace <seesig@virgin.net> wrote:

>>>>>Nope, black. Have you seen oil coming out red from a bike?!
>>>>
>>>>Only if it's red oil... you said it was 'discoloured' which made me
>>>>believe it was not black.
>>>
>>>Have you never seen oil before it goes into an engine? Hint: It's not
>>>black before use.
>>
>>I have seen oil before. The OP said that the oil which came out of
>>his bike was discoloured. As oil, when it's been used for any length
>>of time, is generally black I enquired as to the colour of it and he
>>replied black. So I'm not sure what the whole discolouration thing is
>>all about.
>
>It turns black.

Yeah, that's normal, innit. As he said 'discoloured' I thought he
meant that it might be something exotic like lightly used red oil.
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apgamsa wrote:

> On Jul 21, 3:06 pm, BGN <nickmoo...@spamcop.net> wrote:
> > On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:02:54 -0700, apga...@googlemail.com wrote:
> > > I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the
> > > clock and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you recommend
> > > using engine flush? It's been well looked after and the oil I
> > > drained out was discoloured, but not terrible.
> >
> > Was the oil black or was it one of these scary red looking things?
> > --
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> > -- GSF600nwww.bgn.me.uk- Drive until you lose the road
>
> Nope, black. Have you seen oil coming out red from a bike?!

Erm, yes.

When I changed the oil in the TS50 and used 2-stroke stuff.

Not very bright.

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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:02:54 -0700, apgamsa@googlemail.com wrote:

>I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the clock
>and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you recommend using
>engine flush? It's been well looked after and the oil I drained out
>was discoloured, but not terrible.

1. Ignore what BGN says on bikes - he's had one for 10 mins
2. No one has used engine flush for 30 years
3. On such a low mileage bike, I wouldn't worry - just change the oil
and filter and you'll be fine
4. What sort of Kawasaki? There weren't many air-cooled twins on
Kawasakis book in 1992. Please tell me it's not a GPz305.
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In article <eko8a3tkqvotslbm2a46pclvn0idqdbpp1@4ax.com>, Champ says...
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:02:54 -0700, apgamsa@googlemail.com wrote:
>
> >I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the clock
> >and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you recommend using
> >engine flush? It's been well looked after and the oil I drained out
> >was discoloured, but not terrible.
>
> 1. Ignore what BGN says on bikes - he's had one for 10 mins

It's not just the length of time, it's the ignorance too

> 2. No one has used engine flush for 30 years
> 3. On such a low mileage bike, I wouldn't worry - just change the oil
> and filter and you'll be fine
> 4. What sort of Kawasaki? There weren't many air-cooled twins on
> Kawasakis book in 1992. Please tell me it's not a GPz305.

Could be a 250 scorpion? Was that the name? Belt drive too, IIRC, but
I'm wasted on painkillers this morning so could be imagining it all.

<fx: wanders off in happy daze>
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:12:59 +0100, Champ <news@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>1. Ignore what BGN says on bikes - he's had one for 10 mins

That's rather uncalled for - I don't think I've said anything in this
thread apart from trying to clarify what the OP meant by 'discoloured'
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:53:19 +0100, BGN <nickmooney@spamcop.net>
wrote:

>On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:12:59 +0100, Champ <news@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>1. Ignore what BGN says on bikes - he's had one for 10 mins
>
>That's rather uncalled for - I don't think I've said anything in this
>thread apart from trying to clarify what the OP meant by 'discoloured'

But it's a pretty good general rule, no?

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BGN wrote:

> This is what your killfile is for.

Maybe you could do a lesson on how to snip posts next.

In article <mjfca3ph9kqc8f6iip5h0n1nhmf8ee8slk@4ax.com>, BGN
<nickmooney@spamcop.net> writes

>This is what your killfile is for.

No that is not what his killfile is for at all. With regard to
motorcycles and ukrm, newbies, wimmin and other hard of thinkers have to
be protected from poor advice and if you are giving poor advice it is no
good having you in a killfile.

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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:06:56 +0100, steve auvache
<dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> wrote:

>In article <mjfca3ph9kqc8f6iip5h0n1nhmf8ee8slk@4ax.com>, BGN
><nickmooney@spamcop.net> writes
>
>>This is what your killfile is for.
>
>
>No that is not what his killfile is for at all. With regard to
>motorcycles and ukrm, newbies, wimmin and other hard of thinkers have to
>be protected from poor advice and if you are giving poor advice it is no
>good having you in a killfile.

But seeing as I didn't give any advice I don't see why I'm being
slagged off for it.
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In article <mehca35h6gs196mekjahkv856cs1klnpfg@4ax.com>, BGN
<nickmooney@spamcop.net> writes
>On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:06:56 +0100, steve auvache
><dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> wrote:
>
>>In article <mjfca3ph9kqc8f6iip5h0n1nhmf8ee8slk@4ax.com>, BGN
>><nickmooney@spamcop.net> writes
>>
>>>This is what your killfile is for.
>>
>>
>>No that is not what his killfile is for at all. With regard to
>>motorcycles and ukrm, newbies, wimmin and other hard of thinkers have to
>>be protected from poor advice and if you are giving poor advice it is no
>>good having you in a killfile.
>
>But seeing as I didn't give any advice I don't see why I'm being
>slagged off for it.

Maybe not in this thread but you are confident to a degree that is not
matched by your knowledge but the force is strong in you, perhaps one
day you will realise how little you know and temper your advice
accordingly.

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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:52:49 +0100, steve auvache
<dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> wrote:

>>>>This is what your killfile is for.
>>>
>>>
>>>No that is not what his killfile is for at all. With regard to
>>>motorcycles and ukrm, newbies, wimmin and other hard of thinkers have to
>>>be protected from poor advice and if you are giving poor advice it is no
>>>good having you in a killfile.
>>
>>But seeing as I didn't give any advice I don't see why I'm being
>>slagged off for it.
>
>Maybe not in this thread but you are confident to a degree that is not
>matched by your knowledge but the force is strong in you, perhaps one
>day you will realise how little you know and temper your advice
>accordingly.

I've never claimed to be the fountain of all knowledge for anything
mechanical at all, that's the point.
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BGN wrote:

>
> So will standard advice to anyone on any subject who posts to UKRM be
> "Ignore BGN, even if he doesn't reply?"

You're particularly flouncy this evening.

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In article <13acl2h5bqon4a7@news.supernews.com>, Simian says...
> BGN wrote:
>
> >
> > So will standard advice to anyone on any subject who posts to UKRM be
> > "Ignore BGN, even if he doesn't reply?"
>
> You're particularly flouncy this evening.

Be fair though, it was good advice. You can't fault him for that.
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:08:10 +0100, BGN <nickmooney@spamcop.net>
wrote:

>So will standard advice to anyone on any subject who posts to UKRM be
>"Ignore BGN, even if he doesn't reply?"

No, I said "Ignore BGN on bikes".

You really do know next to nothing.
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Champ <news@champ.org.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:08:10 +0100, BGN <nickmooney@spamcop.net>
> wrote:
>
> >So will standard advice to anyone on any subject who posts to UKRM be
> >"Ignore BGN, even if he doesn't reply?"
>
> No, I said "Ignore BGN on bikes".
>
> You really do know next to nothing.

BGN, listen to him. He speaks the truth. We all love and cherish you,
but when it comes to bikes, what you know could be written on a postage
stamp and there'd still be space for the National Anthem.

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> 4. What sort of Kawasaki? There weren't many air-cooled twins on
> Kawasakis book in 1992. Please tell me it's not a GPz305.

Afraid it is a GPz305. Starting to regret the purchase after reading
some of the member's opinions on these..

In article <1185730545.709386.194580@l70g2000hse.googlegroups .com>,
apgamsa says...
> > 4. What sort of Kawasaki? There weren't many air-cooled twins on
> > Kawasakis book in 1992. Please tell me it's not a GPz305.
>
> Afraid it is a GPz305. Starting to regret the purchase after reading
> some of the member's opinions on these..

They're infamous for grenading.

However, make sure you change the oil *very* frequently, as this seems
to help with all the ones I've seen make reasonable mileages.
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On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 10:35:45 -0700, apgamsa <apgamsa@googlemail.com>
wrote:

>> 4. What sort of Kawasaki? There weren't many air-cooled twins on
>> Kawasakis book in 1992. Please tell me it's not a GPz305.
>
>Afraid it is a GPz305. Starting to regret the purchase after reading
>some of the member's opinions on these..

Oh dear.

Well, they were nice little bikes. Unfortunately, they were about the
most unreliable engine Kawasaki ever made.

However, all is not lost - if yours is still going, then change the
oil (don't bother with engine flush) and filter now, making sure you
use good quality semi-synth. Then, when you ride, always give the
engine a minute or two to warm up (this is good practice on all
engines, to be honest). And, make sure you change the oil and filter
regularly and religiously - I'd say every 2000 miles.

If you do that, it'll probably last. The problem is that most
motorcycle owners don't look after their bikes very well. Most bikes
can cope with this - the GPz305 can't, so you have to be good to it.
--
Champ

ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R 600 racer
My advice as your attorney is to buy a motorcycle
To email me, neal at my domain should work.

On Jul 22, 10:30 am, Ace <see...@virgin.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:50:09 +0100, BGN <nickmoo...@spamcop.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:59:05 +0200, Ace <see...@virgin.net> wrote:
>
> >>On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:33:01 +0100, BGN <nickmoo...@spamcop.net>
> >>wrote:
>
> >>>On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 04:51:42 -0700, apgamsa <apga...@googlemail.com>
> >>>wrote:
>
> >>>>Nope, black. Have you seen oil coming out red from a bike?!
>
> >>>Only if it's red oil... you said it was 'discoloured' which made me
> >>>believe it was not black.
>
> >>Have you never seen oil before it goes into an engine? Hint: It's not
> >>black before use.
>
> >I have seen oil before. The OP said that the oil which came out of
> >his bike was discoloured. As oil, when it's been used for any length
> >of time, is generally black I enquired as to the colour of it and he
> >replied black. So I'm not sure what the whole discolouration thing is
> >all about.
>
> It turns black.

I drained the oil out of a Hillman Imp once, it had gone beyond black
and came out a brown muddy colour.

The woman who owned it didn't realise the oil needed changing, and it
had been in there about 5 years.

Ugh

Paul.

In article <MPG.2116e1314a663c6d98a2ec@news.individual.net> , Bear
<bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> writes
>In article <1185730545.709386.194580@l70g2000hse.googlegroups .com>,
>apgamsa says...
>> > 4. What sort of Kawasaki? There weren't many air-cooled twins on
>> > Kawasakis book in 1992. Please tell me it's not a GPz305.
>>
>> Afraid it is a GPz305. Starting to regret the purchase after reading
>> some of the member's opinions on these..
>
>They're infamous for grenading.

Oddly enough the experience of ukrm and the GPz305 is split fairly
evenly between those who have owned them and those who haven't. You as
I recall haven't.

>
>However, make sure you change the oil *very* frequently, as this seems
>to help with all the ones I've seen make reasonable mileages.

True for any bike.

--
steve auvache
A Bloo one with built in saf

	#1
apgamsa@googlemail.com	engine flush? I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the clock and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you recommend using engine flush? It's been well looked after and the oil I drained out was discoloured, but not terrible. Adam

	#2
BGN	Re: engine flush? On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:02:54 -0700, apgamsa@googlemail.com wrote: >I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the clock >and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you recommend using >engine flush? It's been well looked after and the oil I drained out >was discoloured, but not terrible. Was the oil black or was it one of these scary red looking things? -- -- Nick ICQ: 9235201 EMAIL & MSN: nickmooney@spamcop.net -- LOTR#4 SKOGA#8 DS#7 BOTAFOT#159 BOTM#2 FBOTY#06 PM#11 -- GSF600n www.bgn.me.uk - Drive until you lose the road

	#3
Timo Geusch	Re: engine flush? apgamsa@googlemail.com wrote: > I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the clock > and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you recommend using > engine flush? It's been well looked after and the oil I drained out > was discoloured, but not terrible. Buy some cheaper oil and change twice or thrice at 500 mile intervals. -- Morini Corsaro 125 \| CB450K4 \| XL250 Motosport x2 \| 900SSD \| VFR750 Triumph T-Bird chop \| K1100LT BOTAFOF #33 TWA#10 The UKRM FAQ: http://www.ukrm.net/faq/index.html "Je profite du paysage" - Joe Bar

	#4
Dave Emerson	Re: engine flush? <apgamsa@googlemail.com> wrote in message news:1185026574.738824.243100@q75g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com... > I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the clock > and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you recommend using > engine flush? It's been well looked after and the oil I drained out > was discoloured, but not terrible. "Engine flush" can cause more problems than it solves. Better to just put in some cheap oil and change any in a weeks time, remembering to drain when it's really hot. -- Dave ex Motorcycle Maintenance Workshop http://tinyurl.com/4mhaw

	#5
Pip Luscher	Re: engine flush? On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:02:54 -0700, apgamsa@googlemail.com wrote: >I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the clock >and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you recommend using >engine flush? It's been well looked after and the oil I drained out >was discoloured, but not terrible. I used to use engine flush regularly and never had any of the problems people talk about, but I've heard warnings of terrible things happening. Having said that, I've never heard a first-hand tale of one of these terrible happenings, either. These days I don't bother: having never done a control test I never knew if it helped or not, so I figured that it probably wasn't worth it. Certainly my Guzzi's internals were spotless after 30K miles of just using good quality oil changed more-or-less at the correct intervals; I never used flushing oil on it. If you have doubts about the state of the engine internals then just run the engine for a hundred miles or so on cheaper oil and then do a proper oil/filter change. -- -Pip

	#6
steve auvache	Re: engine flush? In article <1185026574.738824.243100@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups .com>, apgamsa@googlemail.com writes >I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the clock >and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you recommend using >engine flush? It's been well looked after and the oil I drained out >was discoloured, but not terrible. Don't bother mate, it is a 15 year old Quack, the oil will be out of that and marking your passage with a thin black line on the road behind you soon enough anyway. Just keep topping it up as needs be. -- steve auvache A Bloo one with built in safety features

	#7
Whinging Courier	Re: engine flush? In article <xn0f8yz4n18ig2006@nermal.unix-consult.com>, tnewsSPAMMENOT@unixconsult.co.uk says... > apgamsa@googlemail.com wrote: > > > I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the clock > > and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you recommend using > > engine flush? It's been well looked after and the oil I drained out > > was discoloured, but not terrible. > > Buy some cheaper oil and change twice or thrice at 500 mile intervals. What 'e said but I'd do it at 200 ;-) -- CBR1000 GS450 FZ1-N BOMB#14 ibW#40 LotR#0 BOTAFOT#157 BotM#3

	#8
Pip	Re: engine flush? On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 08:26:49 +0100, Whinging Courier <markonusenet@TAKEITAWAYyahoo.co.uk> wrote: >In article <xn0f8yz4n18ig2006@nermal.unix-consult.com>, >tnewsSPAMMENOT@unixconsult.co.uk says... > >> apgamsa@googlemail.com wrote: >> >> > I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the clock >> > and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you recommend using >> > engine flush? It's been well looked after and the oil I drained out >> > was discoloured, but not terrible. >> >> Buy some cheaper oil and change twice or thrice at 500 mile intervals. > >What 'e said but I'd do it at 200 ;-) Wouldn't go past 150, myself. -- Pip: B12

	#9
Cab	Re: engine flush? Pip wrote: > >> > I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the > clock >> > and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you > recommend using >> > engine flush? It's been well looked after and > the oil I drained out >> > was discoloured, but not terrible. > >> > >> Buy some cheaper oil and change twice or thrice at 500 mile > intervals. > > > > What 'e said but I'd do it at 200 ;-) > > Wouldn't go past 150, myself. I think you're all out and wouldn't go past 100. -- Cab :^) - I'm dyslex-spic apparently GSX 1400 - Speedy Zimmerframe. UKRMMA#10 (KOTL), IbW#015, BoB#4, POTM#3, SKA#1 email addy : ukrm_dot_cab_at_rosbif_dot_org UKRM Firefox Extension: http://www.rosbif.org/ukrm/ukrm.xpi The gingeometer: http://www.rosbif.org/ukrm/gingeometer/

	#11
apgamsa	Re: engine flush? On Jul 21, 3:06 pm, BGN <nickmoo...@spamcop.net> wrote: > On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:02:54 -0700, apga...@googlemail.com wrote: > >I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the clock > >and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you recommend using > >engine flush? It's been well looked after and the oil I drained out > >was discoloured, but not terrible. > > Was the oil black or was it one of these scary red looking things? > -- > -- Nick ICQ: 9235201 EMAIL & MSN: nickmoo...@spamcop.net > -- LOTR#4 SKOGA#8 DS#7 BOTAFOT#159 BOTM#2 FBOTY#06 PM#11 > -- GSF600nwww.bgn.me.uk- Drive until you lose the road Nope, black. Have you seen oil coming out red from a bike?!

	#12
apgamsa	Re: engine flush? > "Engine flush" can cause more problems than it solves. Better to just put > in some cheap oil and change any in a weeks time, remembering to drain when > it's really hot. > Dave OK, I won't risk it if people think it's risky.

	#15
Cab	Re: engine flush? apgamsa wrote: > > -- > > -- Nick ICQ: 9235201 EMAIL & MSN: nickmoo...@spamcop.net > > -- LOTR#4 SKOGA#8 DS#7 BOTAFOT#159 BOTM#2 FBOTY#06 PM#11 > > -- GSF600nwww.bgn.me.uk- Drive until you lose the road > > Nope, black. Have you seen oil coming out red from a bike?! Snip the sigs. There's a good chap. -- Cab :^) - I'm dyslex-spic apparently GSX 1400 - Speedy Zimmerframe. UKRMMA#10 (KOTL), IbW#015, BoB#4, POTM#3, SKA#1 email addy : ukrm_dot_cab_at_rosbif_dot_org UKRM Firefox Extension: http://www.rosbif.org/ukrm/ukrm.xpi The gingeometer: http://www.rosbif.org/ukrm/gingeometer/

	#19
Dan L	Re: engine flush? apgamsa wrote: > On Jul 21, 3:06 pm, BGN <nickmoo...@spamcop.net> wrote: > > On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:02:54 -0700, apga...@googlemail.com wrote: > > > I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the > > > clock and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you recommend > > > using engine flush? It's been well looked after and the oil I > > > drained out was discoloured, but not terrible. > > > > Was the oil black or was it one of these scary red looking things? > > -- > > -- Nick ICQ: 9235201 EMAIL & MSN: nickmoo...@spamcop.net > > -- LOTR#4 SKOGA#8 DS#7 BOTAFOT#159 BOTM#2 FBOTY#06 PM#11 > > -- GSF600nwww.bgn.me.uk- Drive until you lose the road > > Nope, black. Have you seen oil coming out red from a bike?! Erm, yes. When I changed the oil in the TS50 and used 2-stroke stuff. Not very bright. -- Dan L dan.yodanet@gmail.com http://thebikeshed.spaces.live.com/ 1996 Kawasaki ZR1100 Zephyr BOTAFOT #140 (KotL 2005/6/7) X-FOT#000 DIAABTCOD #26 BOMB#18 (slow) OMF#11

	#20
Champ	Re: engine flush? On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:02:54 -0700, apgamsa@googlemail.com wrote: >I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the clock >and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you recommend using >engine flush? It's been well looked after and the oil I drained out >was discoloured, but not terrible. 1. Ignore what BGN says on bikes - he's had one for 10 mins 2. No one has used engine flush for 30 years 3. On such a low mileage bike, I wouldn't worry - just change the oil and filter and you'll be fine 4. What sort of Kawasaki? There weren't many air-cooled twins on Kawasakis book in 1992. Please tell me it's not a GPz305. -- Champ ZX10R \| GPz750turbo \| GSX-R 600 racer My advice as your attorney is to buy a motorcycle To email me, neal at my domain should work.

	#21
Bear	Re: engine flush? In article <eko8a3tkqvotslbm2a46pclvn0idqdbpp1@4ax.com>, Champ says... > On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:02:54 -0700, apgamsa@googlemail.com wrote: > > >I've bought a 15 year old Kwak air-cooled twin with 12k on the clock > >and am giving it a thorough going over. Would you recommend using > >engine flush? It's been well looked after and the oil I drained out > >was discoloured, but not terrible. > > 1. Ignore what BGN says on bikes - he's had one for 10 mins It's not just the length of time, it's the ignorance too > 2. No one has used engine flush for 30 years > 3. On such a low mileage bike, I wouldn't worry - just change the oil > and filter and you'll be fine > 4. What sort of Kawasaki? There weren't many air-cooled twins on > Kawasakis book in 1992. Please tell me it's not a GPz305. Could be a 250 scorpion? Was that the name? Belt drive too, IIRC, but I'm wasted on painkillers this morning so could be imagining it all. <fx: wanders off in happy daze> -- Bear

	#22
BGN	Re: engine flush? On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:12:59 +0100, Champ <news@champ.org.uk> wrote: >1. Ignore what BGN says on bikes - he's had one for 10 mins That's rather uncalled for - I don't think I've said anything in this thread apart from trying to clarify what the OP meant by 'discoloured' -- -- Nick ICQ: 9235201 EMAIL & MSN: nickmooney@spamcop.net -- LOTR#4 SKOGA#8 DS#7 BOTAFOT#159 BOTM#2 FBOTY#06 PM#11 -- GSF600n www.bgn.me.uk - Drive until you lose the road

	#23
Ace	Re: engine flush? On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:53:19 +0100, BGN <nickmooney@spamcop.net> wrote: >On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 09:12:59 +0100, Champ <news@champ.org.uk> wrote: > >>1. Ignore what BGN says on bikes - he's had one for 10 mins > >That's rather uncalled for - I don't think I've said anything in this >thread apart from trying to clarify what the OP meant by 'discoloured' But it's a pretty good general rule, no? -- _______ ..'_/_\|_\_'. Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom) \`\ \| /`/ DS#8 BOTAFOT#3 SbS#2 UKRMMA#13 DFV#8 SKA#2 IBB#10 `\\ \| //' `\\|/` `

	#24
ginge	Re: engine flush? BGN wrote: > This is what your killfile is for. Maybe you could do a lesson on how to snip posts next.

	#25
steve auvache	Re: engine flush? In article <mjfca3ph9kqc8f6iip5h0n1nhmf8ee8slk@4ax.com>, BGN <nickmooney@spamcop.net> writes >This is what your killfile is for. No that is not what his killfile is for at all. With regard to motorcycles and ukrm, newbies, wimmin and other hard of thinkers have to be protected from poor advice and if you are giving poor advice it is no good having you in a killfile. -- steve auvache A Bloo one with built in safety features

	#27
steve auvache	Re: engine flush? In article <mehca35h6gs196mekjahkv856cs1klnpfg@4ax.com>, BGN <nickmooney@spamcop.net> writes >On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:06:56 +0100, steve auvache ><dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> wrote: > >>In article <mjfca3ph9kqc8f6iip5h0n1nhmf8ee8slk@4ax.com>, BGN >><nickmooney@spamcop.net> writes >> >>>This is what your killfile is for. >> >> >>No that is not what his killfile is for at all. With regard to >>motorcycles and ukrm, newbies, wimmin and other hard of thinkers have to >>be protected from poor advice and if you are giving poor advice it is no >>good having you in a killfile. > >But seeing as I didn't give any advice I don't see why I'm being >slagged off for it. Maybe not in this thread but you are confident to a degree that is not matched by your knowledge but the force is strong in you, perhaps one day you will realise how little you know and temper your advice accordingly. -- steve auvache A Bloo one with built in safety features

	#29
Simian	Re: engine flush? BGN wrote: > > So will standard advice to anyone on any subject who posts to UKRM be > "Ignore BGN, even if he doesn't reply?" You're particularly flouncy this evening. -- "I dunno, I never met the chick." Ebay tat: http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZsimian60QQhtZ-1

	#30
Bear	Re: engine flush? In article <13acl2h5bqon4a7@news.supernews.com>, Simian says... > BGN wrote: > > > > > So will standard advice to anyone on any subject who posts to UKRM be > > "Ignore BGN, even if he doesn't reply?" > > You're particularly flouncy this evening. Be fair though, it was good advice. You can't fault him for that. -- Bear

	#32
The Older Gentleman	Re: engine flush? Champ <news@champ.org.uk> wrote: > On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:08:10 +0100, BGN <nickmooney@spamcop.net> > wrote: > > >So will standard advice to anyone on any subject who posts to UKRM be > >"Ignore BGN, even if he doesn't reply?" > > No, I said "Ignore BGN on bikes". > > You really do know next to nothing. BGN, listen to him. He speaks the truth. We all love and cherish you, but when it comes to bikes, what you know could be written on a postage stamp and there'd still be space for the National Anthem. -- BMW K1100LT 750SS CB400F CD250 SL125 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3 BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells.....

	#33
apgamsa	Re: engine flush? > 4. What sort of Kawasaki? There weren't many air-cooled twins on > Kawasakis book in 1992. Please tell me it's not a GPz305. Afraid it is a GPz305. Starting to regret the purchase after reading some of the member's opinions on these..

	#34
Bear	Re: engine flush? In article <1185730545.709386.194580@l70g2000hse.googlegroups .com>, apgamsa says... > > 4. What sort of Kawasaki? There weren't many air-cooled twins on > > Kawasakis book in 1992. Please tell me it's not a GPz305. > > Afraid it is a GPz305. Starting to regret the purchase after reading > some of the member's opinions on these.. They're infamous for grenading. However, make sure you change the oil very frequently, as this seems to help with all the ones I've seen make reasonable mileages. -- Bear

	#35
Champ	Re: engine flush? On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 10:35:45 -0700, apgamsa <apgamsa@googlemail.com> wrote: >> 4. What sort of Kawasaki? There weren't many air-cooled twins on >> Kawasakis book in 1992. Please tell me it's not a GPz305. > >Afraid it is a GPz305. Starting to regret the purchase after reading >some of the member's opinions on these.. Oh dear. Well, they were nice little bikes. Unfortunately, they were about the most unreliable engine Kawasaki ever made. However, all is not lost - if yours is still going, then change the oil (don't bother with engine flush) and filter now, making sure you use good quality semi-synth. Then, when you ride, always give the engine a minute or two to warm up (this is good practice on all engines, to be honest). And, make sure you change the oil and filter regularly and religiously - I'd say every 2000 miles. If you do that, it'll probably last. The problem is that most motorcycle owners don't look after their bikes very well. Most bikes can cope with this - the GPz305 can't, so you have to be good to it. -- Champ ZX10R \| GPz750turbo \| GSX-R 600 racer My advice as your attorney is to buy a motorcycle To email me, neal at my domain should work.

	#36
zymurgy@technologist.com	Re: engine flush? On Jul 22, 10:30 am, Ace <see...@virgin.net> wrote: > On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:50:09 +0100, BGN <nickmoo...@spamcop.net> > wrote: > > > > >On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:59:05 +0200, Ace <see...@virgin.net> wrote: > > >>On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 13:33:01 +0100, BGN <nickmoo...@spamcop.net> > >>wrote: > > >>>On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 04:51:42 -0700, apgamsa <apga...@googlemail.com> > >>>wrote: > > >>>>Nope, black. Have you seen oil coming out red from a bike?! > > >>>Only if it's red oil... you said it was 'discoloured' which made me > >>>believe it was not black. > > >>Have you never seen oil before it goes into an engine? Hint: It's not > >>black before use. > > >I have seen oil before. The OP said that the oil which came out of > >his bike was discoloured. As oil, when it's been used for any length > >of time, is generally black I enquired as to the colour of it and he > >replied black. So I'm not sure what the whole discolouration thing is > >all about. > > It turns black. I drained the oil out of a Hillman Imp once, it had gone beyond black and came out a brown muddy colour. The woman who owned it didn't realise the oil needed changing, and it had been in there about 5 years. Ugh Paul.