Matt E Mulsion

I am thinking of purchasing a set of two piece leathers. I already
have an Alpinestars 1 piece race suit which I am pretty happy with and
I was considering buying a Dainese 2 piece suit (either RR-27 or
Monza), but am concerned about a few bad reports I have heard about
them. Should I risk the Dainese leathers or should I stick to what I
know and have another set of Alpinestars leathers?

Lozzo

Matt E Mulsion says...
> I am thinking of purchasing a set of two piece leathers. I already
> have an Alpinestars 1 piece race suit which I am pretty happy with and
> I was considering buying a Dainese 2 piece suit (either RR-27 or
> Monza), but am concerned about a few bad reports I have heard about
> them. Should I risk the Dainese leathers or should I stick to what I
> know and have another set of Alpinestars leathers?

I wouldn't buy either, and nor would anyone else who is involved in the
leathers business. Dainese and Alpinestars are as bad as each other.

For what you pay for them, you can buy a proper, well made set of race
leathers made to measure in colours of your choice. There's a link in my
sig to MJK Leathers, as used by a hell of alot of happy ukrm regulars
and racers including Xaus, Rutter, Byrne, Toseland and loads more.
Quality costs, but it doesn't cost as much as over-expensive tat in the
long run.

--
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YZF1000R (Big boy's Power-Valve)
BOTAFOT#57/70a, BOTAFOF#57, MIB#22, TCP#7,
ANORAK#9, DIAABTCOD#14, UKRMT5BB, IBW#013, MIRTTH#15a/16,
BotToS#8, GP#2, SBS#10, SH#3, DFV#14, BONY#9.
http://www.glfuk.com/ for MJK Leathers and Daytona boots.

Ben Blaney

Matt E Mulsion wrote:

>I am thinking of purchasing a set of two piece leathers.

Don't bother. You've probably got a pair of jeans and a fleece in
your wardrobe already. Wear them, and take the bike down to your
local dealer and spend the grand that you were going to spend on
leathers on cocaine instead.

I guarantee you you'll get more pleasure from doing that.

--
Ben Blaney

Simian

Matt E Mulsion wrote:
> I am thinking of purchasing a set of two piece leathers. I already
> have an Alpinestars 1 piece race suit which I am pretty happy with and
> I was considering buying a Dainese 2 piece suit (either RR-27 or
> Monza),


For 700 quid you could get a set of decent made-to-measure leathers
from Crowtree or MJK.

My experience of Dainese was poor, the two piece suit I had from them
was lower quality than stuff 1/3rd the price, I really couldn't reccomend
them.

Don't know anything about Alpinestars except that their GP+pro (or whatever)
gloves are lovely.

--
ZX7RR.

Ben Blaney

Simian wrote:

>Don't know anything about Alpinestars except that their GP+pro (or whatever)
>gloves are lovely.

AOL.

Lozzo rates their T-shirts, too.

--
Ben Blaney

Slider

Simian wrote:
> Matt E Mulsion wrote:
>> I am thinking of purchasing a set of two piece leathers. I already
>> have an Alpinestars 1 piece race suit which I am pretty happy with
>> and I was considering buying a Dainese 2 piece suit (either RR-27 or
>> Monza),
>
[snip]
> Don't know anything about Alpinestars except that their GP+pro (or
> whatever) gloves are lovely.

My Alpinestars 2-piece has been fine, and stood up well to a bit of tarmac
surfing last year. However, in retrospect I prefered my Spyke leathers of
similar cost.

--
Steve "Slider"
'02 YZF-R6

dwb

Lozzo wrote:
> Matt E Mulsion says...
> my sig to MJK Leathers, as used by a hell of alot of happy ukrm
> regulars and racers including Xaus, Rutter, Byrne, Toseland and loads

Really? In MotoGP? I thought Xaus was Dainese or something.. or is that just
the branding on top? :-)

darsy

Simian <Simian@in_valid.semi-evolved.org> wrote:

>Don't know anything about Alpinestars except that their GP+pro (or whatever)
>gloves are lovely.

my Alpinestars armoured paddock jacket is fantastic. Though I've not
crash-tested it yet.

--
darsy

Lozzo

dwb says...
> Lozzo wrote:
> > Matt E Mulsion says...
> > my sig to MJK Leathers, as used by a hell of alot of happy ukrm
> > regulars and racers including Xaus, Rutter, Byrne, Toseland and loads
>
> Really? In MotoGP? I thought Xaus was Dainese or something.. or is that just
> the branding on top? :-)

Xaus has worn MJK leathers in the past, there's a pair of his from when
he raced an R6 in the GLF front window. Rutter raced at the TT in MJKs
on the Castrol RC45. Shane Byrne wore MJKs on a CBR600, there's a
picture in GLF's book showing him coming over the mountain at Cadwell
TWA in them. Toseland wore MJKs when he first started out racing CB500s
for Sid Moram of Slough, again there are pics in GLFs book.

I could have mentioned that Steve Linsdell - the 2nd place rider in the
Lightwight (400) race at this year's TT - was wearing MJK leathers also,
as were quite a few other riders out there.

Take a look at the next KRC meet you attend, you'll see quite a few of
the racers wearing them.

--
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YZF1000R (Big boy's Power-Valve)
BOTAFOT#57/70a, BOTAFOF#57, MIB#22, TCP#7,
ANORAK#9, DIAABTCOD#14, UKRMT5BB, IBW#013, MIRTTH#15a/16,
BotToS#8, GP#2, SBS#10, SH#3, DFV#14, BONY#9.
Url for ukrm newbies : http://www.ukrm.net/faq/ukrmscbt.html
http://www.glfuk.com/ for MJK Leathers and Daytona boots.
I wouldn't introduce any girlfriend of mine to ukrm, unless I was having
trouble dumping her

Lozzo

Ben Blaney says...
> Simian wrote:
>
> >Don't know anything about Alpinestars except that their GP+pro (or whatever)
> >gloves are lovely.
>
> AOL.
>
> Lozzo rates their T-shirts, too.

Theor T-shirt is average at best, but cost about 8 times more than I
usually spend on similar quality ones. I only have it because it was
free, I certainly wouldn't have paid for it.

--
Lozzo : The Speedyspic
YZF1000R (Big boy's Power-Valve)
BOTAFOT#57/70a, BOTAFOF#57, MIB#22, TCP#7,
ANORAK#9, DIAABTCOD#14, UKRMT5BB, IBW#013, MIRTTH#15a/16,
BotToS#8, GP#2, SBS#10, SH#3, DFV#14, BONY#9.
Url for ukrm newbies : http://www.ukrm.net/faq/ukrmscbt.html
http://www.glfuk.com/ for MJK Leathers and Daytona boots.
I wouldn't introduce any girlfriend of mine to ukrm, unless I was having
trouble dumping her

dwb

Lozzo wrote:
> dwb says...
>
> Xaus has worn MJK leathers in the past, there's a pair of his from
> when he raced an R6 in the GLF front window. Rutter raced at the TT
> in MJKs on the Castrol RC45. Shane Byrne wore MJKs on a CBR600,
> there's a picture in GLF's book showing him coming over the mountain
> at Cadwell TWA in them. Toseland wore MJKs when he first started out
> racing CB500s for Sid Moram of Slough, again there are pics in GLFs
> book.
>
> I could have mentioned that Steve Linsdell - the 2nd place rider in
> the Lightwight (400) race at this year's TT - was wearing MJK
> leathers also, as were quite a few other riders out there.
>
> Take a look at the next KRC meet you attend, you'll see quite a few of
> the racers wearing them.

I know, I've seen them before.

However you've listed some names in there that are now in MotoGP - my
question is what are they wearing now?

Lozzo

dwb says...
> Lozzo wrote:
> > dwb says...
> >
> > Xaus has worn MJK leathers in the past, there's a pair of his from
> > when he raced an R6 in the GLF front window. Rutter raced at the TT
> > in MJKs on the Castrol RC45. Shane Byrne wore MJKs on a CBR600,
> > there's a picture in GLF's book showing him coming over the mountain
> > at Cadwell TWA in them. Toseland wore MJKs when he first started out
> > racing CB500s for Sid Moram of Slough, again there are pics in GLFs
> > book.
> >
> > I could have mentioned that Steve Linsdell - the 2nd place rider in
> > the Lightwight (400) race at this year's TT - was wearing MJK
> > leathers also, as were quite a few other riders out there.
> >
> > Take a look at the next KRC meet you attend, you'll see quite a few of
> > the racers wearing them.
>
> I know, I've seen them before.
>
> However you've listed some names in there that are now in MotoGP - my
> question is what are they wearing now?

Something else, which is probably nothing like what you or I could buy
in the shops, despite looking identical.

--
Lozzo : The Speedyspic
YZF1000R (Big boy's Power-Valve)
BOTAFOT#57/70a, BOTAFOF#57, MIB#22, TCP#7,
ANORAK#9, DIAABTCOD#14, UKRMT5BB, IBW#013, MIRTTH#15a/16,
BotToS#8, GP#2, SBS#10, SH#3, DFV#14, BONY#9.
Url for ukrm newbies : http://www.ukrm.net/faq/ukrmscbt.html
http://www.glfuk.com/ for MJK Leathers and Daytona boots.
I wouldn't introduce any girlfriend of mine to ukrm, unless I was having
trouble dumping her

Champ

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:21:20 +0100, "dwb" <parc_erom@crossdata.co.uk>
wrote:

>However you've listed some names in there that are now in MotoGP - my
>question is what are they wearing now?

Whatever they're paid to wear. Most top international riders will
have deals with leathers manufacturers. As lozzo says, the actual
suits they wear will be handmade, and nothing like the stuff actually
offered to the public.
--
Champ
GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

Molly

"Matt E Mulsion" <mattemulsion@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4926b5f.0406171457.7776b13f@posting.google.co m...
> I am thinking of purchasing a set of two piece leathers. I already
> have an Alpinestars 1 piece race suit which I am pretty happy with
and
> I was considering buying a Dainese 2 piece suit (either RR-27 or
> Monza), but am concerned about a few bad reports I have heard about
> them. Should I risk the Dainese leathers or should I stick to what
I
> know and have another set of Alpinestars leathers?

Neither, a good budget range is Hein Gericke.


--
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"Gower School" By Appointment".
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TGF, UKRMFBC#7, Two#24, BOTAFOF#11, YTC#9, GYASB#1. SbS#23.
DFWAG#2, DS#2, DIAABTCOD#20. remove "thisbit" in the reply
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"Nemo repente fuit turpissimus"

Simian

Paul Varnsverry wrote:
> Different riders seek different things from their leathers. Lawson
> reputedly always preferred leathers not more than 1mm thick, for
> lightness and flexibility - but Eddie seldom crashed! By comparison,
> Biaggi's current leathers (from the same supplier as Lawson's -
> Dainese) have the appearance of something rather substantial.

If there was a chance I'd be on a bike doing 215mph with an explosively
delaminating tyre, I think I'd want 'something rather substantial' between
me and the tarmac as well...


--
ZX7RR.

Champ

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:53:32 -0000, Simian
<Simian@in_valid.semi-evolved.org> wrote:

>Paul Varnsverry wrote:
>> Different riders seek different things from their leathers. Lawson
>> reputedly always preferred leathers not more than 1mm thick, for
>> lightness and flexibility - but Eddie seldom crashed! By comparison,
>> Biaggi's current leathers (from the same supplier as Lawson's -
>> Dainese) have the appearance of something rather substantial.
>
>If there was a chance I'd be on a bike doing 215mph with an explosively
>delaminating tyre, I think I'd want 'something rather substantial' between
>me and the tarmac as well...

Biaggi is on Michelins. It's Tamada who is on Bridgestones, despite
them both being in the same Camel team. In actual fact, they have
separate teams, with the same sponsor.
--
Champ
GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

Simian

Champ wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:53:32 -0000, Simian
><Simian@in_valid.semi-evolved.org> wrote:
>
>>If there was a chance I'd be on a bike doing 215mph with an explosively
>>delaminating tyre, I think I'd want 'something rather substantial' between
>>me and the tarmac as well...
>
> Biaggi is on Michelins. It's Tamada who is on Bridgestones, despite
> them both being in the same Camel team. In actual fact, they have
> separate teams, with the same sponsor.

Ah, so you're saying it's impossible for Michelins to delaminate at
speed. It's a wonder bridgestone don't nick a few from the bins after
the race to see what the magic ingredients are.

--
ZX7RR.

Champ

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:39:07 -0000, Simian
<Simian@in_valid.semi-evolved.org> wrote:

>Champ wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:53:32 -0000, Simian
>><Simian@in_valid.semi-evolved.org> wrote:
>>
>>>If there was a chance I'd be on a bike doing 215mph with an explosively
>>>delaminating tyre, I think I'd want 'something rather substantial' between
>>>me and the tarmac as well...
>>
>> Biaggi is on Michelins. It's Tamada who is on Bridgestones, despite
>> them both being in the same Camel team. In actual fact, they have
>> separate teams, with the same sponsor.
>
>Ah, so you're saying it's impossible for Michelins to delaminate at
>speed.

No, I thought you were making an assumption. My mistake. Michelin's
certainly can de-lam at speed - this very thing cost Rossi the race at
Brno in 2002, and gave Max his only victory on the M1.

--
Champ
GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com

Simian

Champ wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:39:07 -0000, Simian
><Simian@in_valid.semi-evolved.org> wrote:
>>
>>Ah, so you're saying it's impossible for Michelins to delaminate at
>>speed.
>
> No, I thought you were making an assumption. My mistake. Michelin's
> certainly can de-lam at speed - this very thing cost Rossi the race at
> Brno in 2002, and gave Max his only victory on the M1.

<lets Champ have last word>

--
ZX7RR.

Champ

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:54:29 -0000, Simian
<Simian@in_valid.semi-evolved.org> wrote:

>Champ wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:39:07 -0000, Simian
>><Simian@in_valid.semi-evolved.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>Ah, so you're saying it's impossible for Michelins to delaminate at
>>>speed.
>>
>> No, I thought you were making an assumption. My mistake. Michelin's
>> certainly can de-lam at speed - this very thing cost Rossi the race at
>> Brno in 2002, and gave Max his only victory on the M1.
>
><lets Champ have last word>

Oh no you don't
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Champ
GSX-R 1000, GPz 750 turbo, ZX7RR Endurance Racer x 2
GYASB#0 BotToS#2 BOTAFO(T|F)#35 WG*#1 DFV#8
Team UKRM Racing : www.team-ukrm.com