Congestion charge expansion

Ken wants to extend the zone to Kensington and Chelsea.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3594963.stm
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In uk.rec.motorcycles, Fr Jack said:

> Ken wants to extend the zone to Kensington and Chelsea.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3594963.stm

Yep. They want to extend it using Harrow Road as the boundary going as
far west as Scrubs Lane in College Park. I live /just/ on the "good"
side of the Harrow Road so if I ever buy a car and want to go south,
it's a trip west and down through White City :-(

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On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:45:30 +0100, Whinging Courier
<markonusenetTAKEITAWAY@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>In uk.rec.motorcycles, Fr Jack said:
>
>> Ken wants to extend the zone to Kensington and Chelsea.
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3594963.stm
>
>Yep. They want to extend it using Harrow Road as the boundary going as
>far west as Scrubs Lane in College Park. I live /just/ on the "good"
>side of the Harrow Road so if I ever buy a car and want to go south,
>it's a trip west and down through White City :-(

or to Edgware Rd and Park Lane which will both be excluded from the
scheme even if there is an extension westwards.
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On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 13:16:55 +0100, Whinging Courier
<markonusenetTAKEITAWAY@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>In uk.rec.motorcycles, Paul Corfield said:
>
>> or to Edgware Rd and Park Lane which will both be excluded from the
>> scheme even if there is an extension westwards.
>
>Oooh, ta

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/cc-ex/map.shtml gives a bit more info.
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In uk.rec.motorcycles, Paul Corfield said:

> http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/cc-ex/map.shtml gives a bit more info.

See Kensal Green cemetery in the north west corner of the map?

That's where I live but on the other side of the road. Just in case you
ever wanted to pop in for a cup of tea, like.

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On 3 Apr 2004 19:02:52 GMT, "Abso" <me@privacy.net> wrote:

>dwb wrote:
>> And a suggestion for #2 tolls on the M4 and an extension of the bus
>> lane.
>
>A toll between which points?

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...ing%20Standard

has some info.
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Paul Corfield wrote:

> On 3 Apr 2004 19:02:52 GMT, "Abso" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > dwb wrote:
> >> And a suggestion for #2 tolls on the M4 and an extension of the bus
> >> lane.
> >
> > A toll between which points?
>
> http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...rce=Evening%20
> Standard
>
> has some info.

Ta. I suppose it's a question of when, not if. In the future I think
it's inevitable that all major trunk routes will attract tolls to
balance demand.

I think I'll start cycling to work!

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"Abso" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:c4nd53$u5v$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...

> Ta. I suppose it's a question of when, not if. In the future I think
> it's inevitable that all major trunk routes will attract tolls to
> balance demand.

Balance demand my foot - what's the alternative that doesn't involve
getting wet/covered in soot etc?

If there is a choice, it's not a tax.

If there is no sensible alternative, it's a tax.

dwb wrote:

>
> "Abso" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:c4nd53$u5v$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> > Ta. I suppose it's a question of when, not if. In the future I
> > think it's inevitable that all major trunk routes will attract
> > tolls to balance demand.
>
> Balance demand my foot - what's the alternative that doesn't involve
> getting wet/covered in soot etc?

Trains and buses.

> If there is a choice, it's not a tax.
>
> If there is no sensible alternative, it's a tax.

As you wish.

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dwb wrote:

>If there is no sensible alternative, it's a tax.

What's wrong with tax? Public services have to be paid for, you know.

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Ben Blaney <benblaney@ukrm.net> wrote in message
<t3fv60dsij5mo7r5h2mbaft1t6hatr8lgj@4ax.com>:

>dwb wrote:
>
>>If there is no sensible alternative, it's a tax.
>
>What's wrong with tax? Public services have to be paid for, you know.

I feel we get a raw deal in the UK to be honest. I don't believe our
overall primary and secondary rates of tax (including council tax, water
rates, NI contributions, death duties etc. etc. etc.) are massively less
than other European Countries such as Germany and yet, we don't get the
quality of service that they do.

Of course this is all instinctive and not based on a hard examination of
the facts.

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	#1
Fr Jack	Congestion charge expansion Ken wants to extend the zone to Kensington and Chelsea. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3594963.stm -- FrJack 96 Tiger 900 - Red

	#2
Whinging Courier	Re: Congestion charge expansion In uk.rec.motorcycles, Fr Jack said: > Ken wants to extend the zone to Kensington and Chelsea. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3594963.stm Yep. They want to extend it using Harrow Road as the boundary going as far west as Scrubs Lane in College Park. I live /just/ on the "good" side of the Harrow Road so if I ever buy a car and want to go south, it's a trip west and down through White City :-( -- Smile...tomorrow will be worse CBR1000FL

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Paul Corfield	Re: Congestion charge expansion On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:45:30 +0100, Whinging Courier <markonusenetTAKEITAWAY@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >In uk.rec.motorcycles, Fr Jack said: > >> Ken wants to extend the zone to Kensington and Chelsea. >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3594963.stm > >Yep. They want to extend it using Harrow Road as the boundary going as >far west as Scrubs Lane in College Park. I live /just/ on the "good" >side of the Harrow Road so if I ever buy a car and want to go south, >it's a trip west and down through White City :-( or to Edgware Rd and Park Lane which will both be excluded from the scheme even if there is an extension westwards. -- Paul C - "the big camp bastard" (tm d.a.r.s.y) VFR800 \| ZX6R \| R1150GS BOD#5, two#4, BOTAFOT#23, BOTAFOF#4, URMSBC#09, COFF#09 Admits to working for London Underground!

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Abso	Re: Congestion charge expansion Paul Corfield wrote: > On 3 Apr 2004 19:02:52 GMT, "Abso" <me@privacy.net> wrote: > > > dwb wrote: > >> And a suggestion for #2 tolls on the M4 and an extension of the bus > >> lane. > > > > A toll between which points? > > http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...rce=Evening%20 > Standard > > has some info. Ta. I suppose it's a question of when, not if. In the future I think it's inevitable that all major trunk routes will attract tolls to balance demand. I think I'll start cycling to work! -- Abso [at] ukrm [dot] net CHI#1 WG*#3 PM#4 DFV#9 BOTAFOT#108

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dwb	Re: Congestion charge expansion "Abso" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:c4nd53$u5v$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk... > Ta. I suppose it's a question of when, not if. In the future I think > it's inevitable that all major trunk routes will attract tolls to > balance demand. Balance demand my foot - what's the alternative that doesn't involve getting wet/covered in soot etc? If there is a choice, it's not a tax. If there is no sensible alternative, it's a tax.

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Abso	Re: Congestion charge expansion dwb wrote: > > "Abso" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message > news:c4nd53$u5v$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > Ta. I suppose it's a question of when, not if. In the future I > > think it's inevitable that all major trunk routes will attract > > tolls to balance demand. > > Balance demand my foot - what's the alternative that doesn't involve > getting wet/covered in soot etc? Trains and buses. > If there is a choice, it's not a tax. > > If there is no sensible alternative, it's a tax. As you wish. -- Abso [at] ukrm [dot] net CHI#1 WG*#3 PM#4 DFV#9 BOTAFOT#108

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Ben Blaney	Re: Congestion charge expansion dwb wrote: >If there is no sensible alternative, it's a tax. What's wrong with tax? Public services have to be paid for, you know. -- Ben Blaney

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deadmail@burnt.org.uk	Re: Congestion charge expansion Ben Blaney <benblaney@ukrm.net> wrote in message <t3fv60dsij5mo7r5h2mbaft1t6hatr8lgj@4ax.com>: >dwb wrote: > >>If there is no sensible alternative, it's a tax. > >What's wrong with tax? Public services have to be paid for, you know. I feel we get a raw deal in the UK to be honest. I don't believe our overall primary and secondary rates of tax (including council tax, water rates, NI contributions, death duties etc. etc. etc.) are massively less than other European Countries such as Germany and yet, we don't get the quality of service that they do. Of course this is all instinctive and not based on a hard examination of the facts. -- it's better to burn out than fade away