kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk

Just for the hell of it I thought I would post a few more questions,
books are allowed I used them to set the questions.

Firsts

The earliest known illustration of a motorcycle
Date (I will settle for the year here)
Name


First Motorcycles just the builder and year and this one refers to
prototypes. 2pts each.

UK
France
Germany
US

These are the countries I have references for, there is a bonus for
coming up with verifiable firsts for other countries.

Manufacturers

Several started by producing something else. Ignoring bicycle
manufacturers name them and what they were noted for before getting into
motorcycles.

Some unexpected people produced prototypes which never made it to
production. Which razor blade manufacturer did?


Up to WW2 a lot of firms made wide use of bought in engines. One point
for each engine supplier you can come up with. This one includes
tricycles.

Miscellaneous

The sidecar replaced what?
What system was used to indicate engine size in the UK prior to WW2?
What was a Snowden?
How did the Gold Star get it's name?

Racing

What was unusual about the early TT races?
Last sidevalve to win a senior TT?
Which firm took 1,2,3 in a TT race with new bikes?
Which firm produced a V8 racing engine for the TT?

I will leave this for a while, though I will respond to requests for
clarification if any questions are ambiguous.

Ken Young

Grimly Curmudgeon

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk saying
something like:

> Just for the hell of it I thought I would post a few more questions,
>books are allowed I used them to set the questions.

>
> Miscellaneous
>
> The sidecar replaced what?

The Village Idiot - there being a terrible shortage of them post WW1.

> What system was used to indicate engine size in the UK prior to WW2?

The TBLM Systeme International... Tiddler, Boys, Ladies, Mens,

> What was a Snowden?

A type of motorised igloo used in Wales. Not seen since the Great
Warming of 1922.

> How did the Gold Star get it's name?

It was an award given to the first manufacturer to successfully take
part in the TT races without every gearbox stripping its teeth.

>
> Racing
>
> What was unusual about the early TT races?

They were run underwater in the Irish Sea.

> Last sidevalve to win a senior TT?

Spagthorpe Italia. Single cylinder - 3500cc of pure torque.

> Which firm took 1,2,3 in a TT race with new bikes?

Spagthorpe. 1940. Because of a communication breakdown nobody informed
the factory the race was cancelled that year. The bikes were unloaded
from the ferry and Jeremy Spagthorpe declared his factory team winners
by default without doing a single lap.

> Which firm produced a V8 racing engine for the TT?

The Spagthorpe JouleMeister motorcycle used a scaled down version of
their WaveShagger powerboat engine. Only 50 of these engines were
available, largely because that's how many were made until it was
realised that the drawings were at the wrong scale.

steve auvache

In article <92qu23p5dd18tge7fkop789p0ce1jhf6in@4ax.com>, Grimly
Curmudgeon <grimly4REMOVE@REMOVEgmail.com> writes
>
>> What system was used to indicate engine size in the UK prior to WW2?
>
>The TBLM Systeme International... Tiddler, Boys, Ladies, Mens,
^^^^
Substantially correct.


>Spagthorpe Italia. Single cylinder - 3500cc of pure torque.

Although Sir appears to have misspelt "Gentleman's" as indicated above

Tsk, tsk tsk.


--
steve auvache

steve auvache

In article <s43v23hoa4183jdq8shm9vdqmocfqm2a69@4ax.com>, Grimly
Curmudgeon <grimly4REMOVE@REMOVEgmail.com> writes
>We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>drugs began to take hold. I remember steve auvache
><dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> saying something like:
>
>>>The TBLM Systeme International... Tiddler, Boys, Ladies, Mens,
>> ^^^^
>>Substantially correct.
>>
>>Although Sir appears to have misspelt "Gentleman's" as indicated above
>>
>>Tsk, tsk tsk.
>
>I used the traditional nomenclature employed by members of the retailing

A gentleman's conveyance such as that made by Messrs Spagthorpe is never
retailed, it is purveyed.


--
steve auvache

Naqerj

kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:

> Just for the hell of it I thought I would post a few more questions,
> books are allowed I used them to set the questions.
>
> Firsts
>
> The earliest known illustration of a motorcycle
> Date (I will settle for the year here)
> Name
>
>
> First Motorcycles just the builder and year and this one refers to
> prototypes. 2pts each.
>
> UK
> France
> Germany
> US
>
> These are the countries I have references for, there is a bonus for
> coming up with verifiable firsts for other countries.

Japan, N.S., 1909

>
> Manufacturers
>
> Several started by producing something else. Ignoring bicycle
> manufacturers name them and what they were noted for before getting into
> motorcycles.
>

I reckon you should exclude guns too, 'cos there were loads of them:
BSA, Enfield, Manufrance, FN, Jawa... and that's just a few I can
remember without having to look things up.

> Some unexpected people produced prototypes which never made it to
> production. Which razor blade manufacturer did?
>
>
> Up to WW2 a lot of firms made wide use of bought in engines. One point
> for each engine supplier you can come up with. This one includes
> tricycles.
>
> Miscellaneous
>
> The sidecar replaced what?

Trailer, I suppose... though you could also include the Forecar.

> What system was used to indicate engine size in the UK prior to WW2?
> What was a Snowden?

I'd guess that was one of the small bikes produced to take advantage of
the tax concession in the Snowden Budget of 1930-something (1931?) but
I've never heard them called that before. I though 'Pip-squeak' was the
common nickname (and, hence, the name 'Wilfred' being applied to
autocycles).

--
Andrew

Pip Luscher

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:45:47 -0500, kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:

> Just for the hell of it I thought I would post a few more questions,
>books are allowed I used them to set the questions.
>
>Manufacturers
>
> Several started by producing something else. Ignoring bicycle
>manufacturers name them and what they were noted for before getting into
>motorcycles.

Yamaha: reed organs, hence the tuning-fork logo.

Sunbeam: loads of domestic stuff.

Kawasaki: I *think* that Kawasaki Heavy Engineering produced bikes as
a a sideline to open up their presence in wider markets, but ICBW.

BMW: aircraft engines.

Latter-day Triumph: Bloor was in construction or something, wasn't he?
Dunno if there was a more direct link than that, though.

> Up to WW2 a lot of firms made wide use of bought in engines. One point
>for each engine supplier you can come up with. This one includes
>tricycles.

Villiers, JAP, Minerva

> Miscellaneous
>
> The sidecar replaced what?

Dunno: trikes?

> How did the Gold Star get it's name?

Something to do with someone earning a Brooklands Gold star for speed
round the track, I think.

> Which firm produced a V8 racing engine for the TT?

Moto Guzzi.

--
-Pip

Roger Hunt

wrote
> Just for the hell of it I thought I would post a few more questions,
>books are allowed I used them to set the questions.
>
> Racing
>
> What was unusual about the early TT races?

They went round the other way?
--
Roger Hunt

platypus

kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> Just for the hell of it I thought I would post a few more questions,
> books are allowed I used them to set the questions.
>
> Firsts
>
> The earliest known illustration of a motorcycle
> Date (I will settle for the year here)
> Name

Is this a reference to the 17th-century painting of a wooden bicycle on a
stained-glass window in a church in Stoke Poges?

> First Motorcycles just the builder and year and this one refers to
> prototypes. 2pts each.
>
> UK

Butler tricycle, 1887. Holden 4-cylinder motorcycle, 1897. Ariel was
producing 3-wheelers with de Dion-Bouton engines in 1898, although they
didn't produce 2-wheelers until 1902. Charles and Harry Collier built the
first Matchless prototype in 1898.

> France

Millet 5-cylinder radial, 1892.

> Germany

Gottlieb Daimler's wooden Reitwagen of 1885.

> US

If you count steam-engined bikes, Roper, 1876. Otherwise, Pennington's
2-stroke twin of 1890.

> These are the countries I have references for, there is a bonus for
> coming up with verifiable firsts for other countries.
>
> Manufacturers
>
> Several started by producing something else. Ignoring bicycle
> manufacturers name them and what they were noted for before getting
> into motorcycles.

NSU started making sewing machines. Vespa originally produced hair-driers.

> Some unexpected people produced prototypes which never made it to
> production. Which razor blade manufacturer did?

If you're thinking of the Wilkinson, it was in production from 1909 to 1916.

> Up to WW2 a lot of firms made wide use of bought in engines. One point
> for each engine supplier you can come up with. This one includes
> tricycles.

de Dion-Bouton, obviously. Zedal, Peugeot, BSA, Fafnir, Cudell, FN,
Minerva, JAP, MMC, Matchless, MAG (Motosacoche), Sturmey-Archer, Villiers,
Blackburn, Sarolea etc.

> Miscellaneous
>
> The sidecar replaced what?

The horse? Laurin & Klement produced their first outfit in 1901.

> What system was used to indicate engine size in the UK prior to WW2?

RAC rating, based on bore, number of cylinders etc, which led to small-bore,
long-stroke engines with high piston speeds which wore out the piston rings
for a hobby.

> What was a Snowden?

Old name for a high-side.

> How did the Gold Star get it's name?

It won a special prize for punctuation.


--
platypus

"Merely corroborative detail, intended to
give artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise
bald and unconvincing narrative.”

Terry Richards

"platypus" <monotreme@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:XASXh.7302$Ro3.5150@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...

> ... Vespa originally produced hair-driers.

Nothing much changed then?

T.

The Older Gentleman

Terry Richards <terryr999@removethis.orange.fr> wrote:

> "platypus" <monotreme@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:XASXh.7302$Ro3.5150@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
>
> > ... Vespa originally produced hair-driers.
>
> Nothing much changed then?
>

<VVBG>



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Champ

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:45:27 +0100, Roger Hunt
<nospam@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> wrote
>> Just for the hell of it I thought I would post a few more questions,
>>books are allowed I used them to set the questions.
>>
>> Racing
>>
>> What was unusual about the early TT races?
>
>They went round the other way?

Tch.

Racing on public roads on the Isle of Man actually started in 1904,
for cars (the fabulously named "Gordon Bennett Car Trials"). The
first motorcycle race was in 1907 (hence this year's centenary
celebrations).

The first race to use the mountain course was in 1911.

There were many, many, "unusual" features of the early TT races (like
the fact the first races were essentially a fuel trial, with singles
to average 90mph, and twins 75mpg), so I've no idea what answer the
original poster is looking for.
--
Champ

prawn

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:16:47 +0100, steve auvache wrote:

> In article <s43v23hoa4183jdq8shm9vdqmocfqm2a69@4ax.com>, Grimly
> Curmudgeon <grimly4REMOVE@REMOVEgmail.com> writes
>>We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>>drugs began to take hold. I remember steve auvache
>><dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> saying something like:
>>
>>>>The TBLM Systeme International... Tiddler, Boys, Ladies, Mens,
>>> ^^^^
>>>Substantially correct.
>>>
>>>Although Sir appears to have misspelt "Gentleman's" as indicated above
>>>
>>>Tsk, tsk tsk.
>>
>>I used the traditional nomenclature employed by members of the retailing
>
> A gentleman's conveyance such as that made by Messrs Spagthorpe is never
> retailed, it is purveyed.
>
>

And priced in Guineas, of course.

--
p BotM#1 LotR#9

Austin Shackles

On or around Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:45:47 -0500, kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk
enlightened us thusly:

>
>Manufacturers
>
> Several started by producing something else. Ignoring bicycle
>manufacturers name them and what they were noted for before getting into
>motorcycles.

ABC, made by Sopwith (aircraft)
Obviously BSA...

>
> Some unexpected people produced prototypes which never made it to
>production. Which razor blade manufacturer did?

Wilkinson?

> Up to WW2 a lot of firms made wide use of bought in engines. One point
>for each engine supplier you can come up with. This one includes
>tricycles.

J.A.P.
Villiers
De Dion (?)

> Miscellaneous
>
> The sidecar replaced what?

forecar?

> What system was used to indicate engine size in the UK prior to WW2?

H.P. using, I imagine, the R.A.C. formula.

> What was unusual about the early TT races?
> Last sidevalve to win a senior TT?

Rudge?

> Which firm took 1,2,3 in a TT race with new bikes?

Norton?

> Which firm produced a V8 racing engine for the TT?

Moto Guzzi
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kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk

In article <nIidncSxRrsEObLbRVnyiwA@brightview.co.uk>,
pattle@globalnet.co.invalid (Naqerj) wrote:

> Japan, N.S., 1909

Is that the full name?

> I reckon you should exclude guns too, 'cos there were loads of them:
> BSA, Enfield, Manufrance, FN, Jawa...

Probably a good idea.

Ken Young

Roger Hunt

Champ wrote
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:45:27 +0100, Roger Hunt
><nospam@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> What was unusual about the early TT races?
>>
>>They went round the other way?
>
>Tch.
>
>Racing on public roads on the Isle of Man actually started in 1904,
>for cars (the fabulously named "Gordon Bennett Car Trials"). The
>first motorcycle race was in 1907 (hence this year's centenary
>celebrations).

Wouldn't it be wonderful if they instituted a road race in the Forest of
Dean. Lots of fabulous bits of road and many sheep to provide a soft
landing (and also post-race R&R for the riders).
>The first race to use the mountain course was in 1911.
>There were many, many, "unusual" features of the early TT races (like
>the fact the first races were essentially a fuel trial, with singles
>to average 90mph, and twins 75mpg),

Thinking (inexpertly) about the tyres they might have used, and the road
surface they used them on, makes my bowels loosen.
--
Roger Hunt

Champ

On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 10:47:54 +0100, Roger Hunt
<nospam@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>Champ wrote
>>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:45:27 +0100, Roger Hunt
>><nospam@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What was unusual about the early TT races?
>>>
>>>They went round the other way?
>>
>>Tch.
>>
>>Racing on public roads on the Isle of Man actually started in 1904,
>>for cars (the fabulously named "Gordon Bennett Car Trials"). The
>>first motorcycle race was in 1907 (hence this year's centenary
>>celebrations).
>
>Wouldn't it be wonderful if they instituted a road race in the Forest of
>Dean. Lots of fabulous bits of road and many sheep to provide a soft
>landing (and also post-race R&R for the riders).

It's very unlikely that any new road races will be started in the
western world. Our culture is just too risk adverse. The canadians
tried to get something going in Newfoundland a year or two ago, but
I'm sure it didn't come off.

>>The first race to use the mountain course was in 1911.
>>There were many, many, "unusual" features of the early TT races (like
>>the fact the first races were essentially a fuel trial, with singles
>>to average 90mph, and twins 75mpg),
>
>Thinking (inexpertly) about the tyres they might have used, and the road
>surface they used them on, makes my bowels loosen.

Oh sure, those guys were *real* heros. The first mountain course race
in 1911 was won at an avg speed of 47mph. Just think about a 1911
bike, and 1911 road, and averaging nearly 50 miles an hour (for over 3
hours).

Even better, and my all time favourite TT statistic, is:
Q. What year was the first 90mph lap of the TT mountain course?
A. 1937.

1937!!! FFS!
--
Champ

Ace

On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:02:40 +0100, Champ <news@champ.org.uk> wrote:

> Our culture is just too risk adverse.

AAAaaarrgh! It'a 'averse', you language-mangler!

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Wicked Uncle Nigel

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ
<news@champ.org.uk> typed
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:45:27 +0100, Roger Hunt
><nospam@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> wrote
>>> Just for the hell of it I thought I would post a few more questions,
>>>books are allowed I used them to set the questions.
>>>
>>> Racing
>>>
>>> What was unusual about the early TT races?
>>
>>They went round the other way?
>
>Tch.
>
>Racing on public roads on the Isle of Man actually started in 1904,
>for cars (the fabulously named "Gordon Bennett Car Trials"). The
>first motorcycle race was in 1907 (hence this year's centenary
>celebrations).
>
>The first race to use the mountain course was in 1911.

I wonder if the OP's thinking of the fact that they had to dismount and
open the gates onto and off the mountain?

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Roger Hunt

Champ wrote
>On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 10:47:54 +0100, Roger Hunt
><nospam@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>Wouldn't it be wonderful if they instituted a road race in the Forest of
>>Dean. Lots of fabulous bits of road and many sheep to provide a soft
>>landing (and also post-race R&R for the riders).
>
>It's very unlikely that any new road races will be started in the
>western world. Our culture is just too risk adverse. The canadians
>tried to get something going in Newfoundland a year or two ago, but
>I'm sure it didn't come off.
>
What a shame...
Good job many people here give several fingers to the caring, sharing,
do-gooders ....
.... however, bad job that so many young car drivers get killed around
here too - another one two days ago on a notorious rat-run of a road
(A48, Minsterworth).
--
Roger Hunt

Roger Hunt

Ace wrote
>On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:02:40 +0100, Champ <news@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Our culture is just too risk adverse.
>
>AAAaaarrgh! It'a 'averse', you language-mangler!
>
Really? Cor fancy that.
--
Roger Hunt

Naqerj

kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article <nIidncSxRrsEObLbRVnyiwA@brightview.co.uk>,
> pattle@globalnet.co.invalid (Naqerj) wrote:
>
>> Japan, N.S., 1909
>
> Is that the full name?

That's the name on the tank. I know the S stood for Shimazu, but don't
know about the N.

--
Andrew

Steve

On 25/4/07 10:45, in article Av2dne38-d_WvrLbnZ2dnUVZ8tyqnZ2d@pipex.net,
"kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk" <kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote:

> Just for the hell of it I thought I would post a few more questions,
> books are allowed I used them to set the questions.
<snip>
> What was unusual about the early TT races?
They had to achieve a certain mpg figure as well as going as fast as
possible.

Steve
--
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1994 R1100GS
1999 VN800
2002 Boxer Cup Replika

Pip Luscher

On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:43:35 GMT, "platypus"
<monotreme@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

<snip loads of answers>

Look, nobody likes a smartarse, alright?

--
-Pip

platypus

Pip Luscher wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:43:35 GMT, "platypus"
> <monotreme@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> <snip loads of answers>
>
> Look, nobody likes a smartarse, alright?

<proud>

--
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"Merely corroborative detail, intended to
give artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise
bald and unconvincing narrative."

kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk

In article <1j3233ppjr9fd7ps9n31oif9n4jtoememn@4ax.com>,
pips.computer@spammers.foad.ntlworld.co.uk (Pip Luscher) wrote:

> Look, nobody likes a smartarse, alright?

Not all his answers were right.

Ken Young

Roger Hunt

platypus wrote
>kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>
>> What system was used to indicate engine size in the UK prior to WW2?
>
>RAC rating, based on bore, number of cylinders etc, which led to small-bore,
>long-stroke engines with high piston speeds which wore out the piston rings
>for a hobby.
>
What kind of benefit did they gain from this?
Was it a case of the manufacturers artificially inflating the RAC rating
to make the engines appear pokier than they really were, or was it the
opposite - a way of making the engines look relatively feeble to
minimize road tax and insurance etc?
--
Roger Hunt

platypus

kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article <1j3233ppjr9fd7ps9n31oif9n4jtoememn@4ax.com>,
> pips.computer@spammers.foad.ntlworld.co.uk (Pip Luscher) wrote:
>
>> Look, nobody likes a smartarse, alright?
>
> Not all his answers were right.

Really?

--
platypus

"Merely corroborative detail, intended to
give artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise
bald and unconvincing narrative.”

platypus

Roger Hunt wrote:
> platypus wrote
>> kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>> What system was used to indicate engine size in the UK prior to WW2?
>>
>> RAC rating, based on bore, number of cylinders etc, which led to
>> small-bore, long-stroke engines with high piston speeds which wore
>> out the piston rings for a hobby.
>>
> What kind of benefit did they gain from this?
> Was it a case of the manufacturers artificially inflating the RAC
> rating to make the engines appear pokier than they really were, or
> was it the opposite - a way of making the engines look relatively
> feeble to minimize road tax and insurance etc?

It was a case of the tax regime distorting technology - undersquare engines
were cheaper for the displacement. A more modern example would be the
sub-700cc bikes for the US market, which was down to a tariff barrier
intended to protect HD from the nasty Nips, or the sub-2 litre car class in
the UK, which is due to company car tax thresholds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAC_hor...orsepowe r.29

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platypus

"Merely corroborative detail, intended to
give artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise
bald and unconvincing narrative.”

Roger Hunt

platypus wrote
>Roger Hunt wrote:
>> platypus wrote
>>> kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>>>
>>>> What system was used to indicate engine size in the UK prior to WW2?
>>>
>>> RAC rating, based on bore, number of cylinders etc, which led to
>>> small-bore, long-stroke engines with high piston speeds which wore
>>> out the piston rings for a hobby.
>>>
>> What kind of benefit did they gain from this?
>> Was it a case of the manufacturers artificially inflating the RAC
>> rating to make the engines appear pokier than they really were, or
>> was it the opposite - a way of making the engines look relatively
>> feeble to minimize road tax and insurance etc?
>
>It was a case of the tax regime distorting technology - undersquare engines
>were cheaper for the displacement. A more modern example would be the
>sub-700cc bikes for the US market, which was down to a tariff barrier
>intended to protect HD from the nasty Nips, or the sub-2 litre car class in
>the UK, which is due to company car tax thresholds.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAC_hor...e_horsepowe r
>.29
>
Most interesting. Thank you very much - this is a page I would never
have found on my own.
--
Roger Hunt

Champ

On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:31:28 +0200, Ace <seesig@virgin.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:02:40 +0100, Champ <news@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Our culture is just too risk adverse.
>
>AAAaaarrgh! It'a 'averse', you language-mangler!

It is. Honestly, it was a typo, not a lack of knowledge.
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

Ace

On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:41:07 +0100, Champ <news@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:31:28 +0200, Ace <seesig@virgin.net> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:02:40 +0100, Champ <news@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Our culture is just too risk adverse.
>>
>>AAAaaarrgh! It'a 'averse', you language-mangler!
>
>It is. Honestly, it was a typo, not a lack of knowledge.

Yeah, I can see how you'd accidentally hit the D key while dragging
your finger between the A and the V, but I'd axpect asdcverse, if that
were the cause.

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kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk

In article <6PaYh.7783$Ro3.5320@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk> ,
monotreme@blueyonder.co.uk (platypus) wrote:

> Really?

Yep, but it is a bit early to post answers.

Ken Young

mb

On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:31:28 +0200, Ace wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:02:40 +0100, Champ <news@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Our culture is just too risk adverse.
>
> AAAaaarrgh! It'a 'averse', you language-mangler!
> ^

And I suppose you're going to say you did that on purpose, to abide by the
rules?

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kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk

In article <Av2dne38-d_WvrLbnZ2dnUVZ8tyqnZ2d@pipex.net>,
kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk () wrote:

> I will leave this for a while, though I will respond to requests for
> clarification if any questions are ambiguous.

Answers Friday when I am off work.

Ken Young

platypus

kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article <Av2dne38-d_WvrLbnZ2dnUVZ8tyqnZ2d@pipex.net>,
> kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk () wrote:
>
>> I will leave this for a while, though I will respond to requests for
>> clarification if any questions are ambiguous.
>
> Answers Friday when I am off work.

....and we've all buggered off to France, you crafty sod.

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bald and unconvincing narrative.”

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On or around Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:26:25 GMT, "platypus"
<monotreme@blueyonder.co.uk> enlighte