Ace

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:31:55 +0100, Andy Bonwick
<nospam@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:

>On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:28:38 +0200, Ace <seesig@virgin.net> wrote:

<japcrap>

>>Really? Were you there? Even the early stuff that started to corner
>>various market niches in the mid 1960s (and I'm thinking, for example,
>>of the C50) was better, in any objective sense, than almost anything
>>else available at the time. In fact, I'm struggling to think of any of
>>the early jap imports that would warrant that description,
>>
>I can think of a lot of Jap bikes that were nothing short of rubbish
>until you compared them with the equivalent British built offering.
>
> For a large part of the '70s the best bikes available were Italian
>but you had to pay a considerable higher price for these bikes.

Oh, aye. I was really comparing the jap stuff with the mass market,
i.e. mostly british, stuff that was available.

>Want an example? Try any Laverda triple or a Guzzi Le Mans and then
>look at what the Jap alternatives were. I don't think a Suzuki Katana
>could out perform a Jota on any level and it'd struggle against a Le
>Mans.

Sure. My memories of Z900s et al failing abysmally to out-perform the
two bikes you mention are equally clear.

> I was there, I rode the bikes and I can vividly remember being scared
>rotten by an early GS1000 going into a speed wobble as soon as you
>backed off the throttle and didn't hit the brakes to steady it up.

I was there too, remember? Again, my memories are more of Kwaks, 'cos
when I was first running with a biking crowd (1977 or so) these were
what most people had, except for the rich guys with the Italian
'exotica' and the oldsters (i.e. 25+) who were still sticking with
their brit-iron.

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Boots

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:26:01 +0100 in uk.rec.motorcycles, Cab says:

>Hog wrote:
>
>> Cab wrote:
>> > Phil Launchbury wrote:
>> >
>> > > all designed to make other people think of you as a clueless
>> > > troll.
>> >
>> > A patronising one at that.
>>
>> Who is ever so happy because you keep acknowledging his existence!
>
>Who? Me?

I only know it's still posting because of this and occasional use of
google groups.

--
Ian

raden

In message <quiga39hf62o470olq91s8j3390fnjblvp@4ax.com>, Ace
<seesig@virgin.net> writes
>On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:14:53 GMT, raden <raden@kateda.org> wrote:
>
>>In message <tfefa3l49uk6298bn08efo0bo4jjso48h1@4ax.com>, Pip Luscher
>><pips.computer@spammers.foad.ntlworld.co.uk> writes
>
>>>'japcrap'? I haven't heard that expression in years. Surely a troll,
>>>but on the very slim chance that you actually believe this: what's so
>>>crap? I'd really like to know.
>>>
>>
>>ISTR that when the phrase came out, they really were
>
>Really? Were you there? Even the early stuff that started to corner
>various market niches in the mid 1960s (and I'm thinking, for example,
>of the C50) was better, in any objective sense, than almost anything
>else available at the time. In fact, I'm struggling to think of any of
>the early jap imports that would warrant that description,
>x
ISTR that in the late 60s, the engines had shorter lifetimes and prone
to breaking down, the chroming flaked off

The phrase didn't spring out of nowhere

--
geoff

Pete Franklin

"Andy Bonwick" <nospam@bonwick.me.uk> wrote in message
news:vniha31eevnpei2r6qtpksfqisg5pb1kta@4ax.com...
>
> Want an example? Try any Laverda triple or a Guzzi Le Mans and then
> look at what the Jap alternatives were. I don't think a Suzuki Katana
> could out perform a Jota on any level and it'd struggle against a Le
> Mans.
>
Hmmm...having owned both an 1100 Katana and a Le Mans II I think I'd back
the Katana under most conditions, given a suitably brave and committed
rider. The Le Mans handles much better, but it just doesn't make much power,
and it is a lot heavier than it has any right to be for its size. I really,
really regret selling the Kat. I'm not in any real hurry to get rid of the
Le Mans either, but I need the garage space.

Oily

"Pip Luscher" <pips.computer@spammers.foad.ntlworld.co.uk> wrote in message
news:tfefa3l49uk6298bn08efo0bo4jjso48h1@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:06:26 +0000 (UTC), crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com
> wrote:
>
> >Riding the LE all the way from Zummerzet to Chimay was not on my agenda
> >and Chimay seems to be the only topic at the moment apart from ocasional
> >worship of japcrap.

Well, I've got mostly SOBBs but I don't think an LE would feature in my list
of most wanted.

>
> 'japcrap'? I haven't heard that expression in years. Surely a troll,
> but on the very slim chance that you actually believe this: what's so
> crap? I'd really like to know.
>

Most of the early Jap stuff that I've ridden handled atrociously but to put
it mildly I would be rather hesitant to use the description 'japcrap' for
modern examples.

Oily

Dr Ivan D. Reid

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:31:55 +0100, Andy Bonwick <nospam@bonwick.me.uk>
wrote in <vniha31eevnpei2r6qtpksfqisg5pb1kta@4ax.com>:

> I was there, I rode the bikes and I can vividly remember being scared
> rotten by an early GS1000 going into a speed wobble as soon as you
> backed off the throttle and didn't hit the brakes to steady it up.

I remember being scared witless missing a gear (must have been
top!) at 100 mph on the curve past Garran Hall[0] on the ANU campus on the
(1971) T500R[1]. Went into such a wobble and put me on the wrong side of the
road... Eye-witnesses told me I ran a car off the road, but I never
noticed!

[0] Google Earth sez 35°16'37.23"S 149°06'54.23"E, going SSW.
[1] http://www.suzukicycles.org/photos/s...1_T500_450.jpg
'cept mine was purkle and white.

--
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Brunel University. Ivan.Reid@[brunel.ac.uk|cern.ch] Room 40-1-B12, CERN
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WP7# 3000 LC Unit #2368 (tinlc) UKMC#00009 BOTAFOT#16 UKRMMA#7 (Hon)
KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".

crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com

In uk.rec.motorcycles.classic Oily <martinhill100@nospambtconnect.com> wrote:
>
> "Pip Luscher" <pips.computer@spammers.foad.ntlworld.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:tfefa3l49uk6298bn08efo0bo4jjso48h1@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:06:26 +0000 (UTC), crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Riding the LE all the way from Zummerzet to Chimay was not on my agenda
> > >and Chimay seems to be the only topic at the moment apart from ocasional
> > >worship of japcrap.
>
> Well, I've got mostly SOBBs but I don't think an LE would feature in my list
> of most wanted.
>

They are an aquired taste, but certainly one of the most reliable bikes
ever built. The eciloP bought them by the hundred and sold them on when
they got to 100,000 miles. Overengineered and expensive when new, but
this shows now in the numbers still running 50 years later.

> >
> > 'japcrap'? I haven't heard that expression in years. Surely a troll,
> > but on the very slim chance that you actually believe this: what's so
> > crap? I'd really like to know.
> >
>
> Most of the early Jap stuff that I've ridden handled atrociously but to put
> it mildly I would be rather hesitant to use the description 'japcrap' for
> modern examples.

The original Honda Dream was the bike that slaughtered the Britbike
industry. They were very cheap to buy and had lots of shiny stuff like
electric starters but horribly unreliable, rusted while you watched,
and had widdowmaking handling. They outsold the Britbikes purely
because they were CHEAP and Shiny. I doubt if more than a handfull
survive.

OK, the modern ones are not bad, but 50 years means that everything
has moved on. They look very pretty but they still do not have the
quality of a Beemer or a Hawg.

Andy Bonwick

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:51:28 +0000 (UTC), crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com
wrote:

snip>

>The original Honda Dream was the bike that slaughtered the Britbike
>industry. They were very cheap to buy and had lots of shiny stuff like
>electric starters but horribly unreliable, rusted while you watched,
>and had widdowmaking handling. They outsold the Britbikes purely
>because they were CHEAP and Shiny. I doubt if more than a handfull
>survive.
>
They outsold British bikes because they were better than them in every
way.

>OK, the modern ones are not bad, but 50 years means that everything
>has moved on. They look very pretty but they still do not have the
>quality of a Beemer or a Hawg.
>
This last paragraph has just condemned you to being labeled an idiot
whatever else you choose to post on the subject of motorbikes.

Eddie

crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote:
>
> OK, the modern ones are not bad, but 50 years means that everything
> has moved on. They look very pretty but they still do not have the
> quality of a Beemer or a Hawg.

*boggle*

--
Eddie eddie@deguello.org

http://www.last.fm/group/ukrm

Ace

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:08:51 +0100, Andy Bonwick
<nospam@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:51:28 +0000 (UTC), crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com
>wrote:

>>OK, the modern ones are not bad, but 50 years means that everything
>>has moved on. They look very pretty but they still do not have the
>>quality of a Beemer or a Hawg.
>>
>This last paragraph has just condemned you to being labeled an idiot
>whatever else you choose to post on the subject of motorbikes.

Heh. I missed that, as it happens. Another one for the virtual 'ignore
the twat' file.

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Krusty

Andy Bonwick wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:51:28 +0000 (UTC), crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com
> wrote:
>
> > OK, the modern ones are not bad, but 50 years means that everything
> > has moved on. They look very pretty but they still do not have the
> > quality of a Beemer or a Hawg.
> >
> This last paragraph has just condemned you to being labeled an idiot
> whatever else you choose to post.

That's better.

--
Krusty
www.MuddyStuff.co.uk
Off-Road Classifieds

'02 MV Senna '03 Tigtona 955i '96 Tiger '79 Fantic Hiro 250

Champ

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:40:34 +0000 (UTC), crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com
wrote:

>> I believe the original CB72 and CB77 in the sixties also had the
>> 'dream' tag.
>>
>
>Indeed.
>
>> And they weren't 'horribly unreliable', either.
>
>You obviously never had one after the warranty ran out.
>They were good for 20,000 miles at best before things started going
>rather wormy.

Come on then - what problems did the original Honda dreams suffer
from? And, crucially, how were these problems worse than contemporary
brit bikes?
--
Champ

ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R 600 racer
My advice as your attorney is to buy a motorcycle
To email me, neal at my domain should work.

crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com

In uk.rec.motorcycles.classic Champ <news@champ.org.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:40:34 +0000 (UTC), crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com
> wrote:
>
> >> And they weren't 'horribly unreliable', either.
> >
> >You obviously never had one after the warranty ran out.
> >They were good for 20,000 miles at best before things started going
> >rather wormy.
>
> Come on then - what problems did the original Honda dreams suffer
> from? And, crucially, how were these problems worse than contemporary
> brit bikes?

They rusted out and just about everything mechanical wore out.
Easier to ask what problems they did NOT have.

If the LE could reliably do over 100,000 miles I would expect a Jap
bike to do at least half that before becoming a basket case.
There are very good reasons why none of the early Jap bikes are still
around in quantities commensurate with the number sold, in many cases
none survive.

Hog

crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote:

> If the LE could reliably do over 100,000 miles I would expect a Jap

Who is this idiot?
He missed out "with 10 engine rebuilds"

--
Hog
'03 ST4S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400

Champ

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:27:18 +0000 (UTC), crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com
wrote:

>In uk.rec.motorcycles.classic Champ <news@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:40:34 +0000 (UTC), crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> And they weren't 'horribly unreliable', either.
>> >
>> >You obviously never had one after the warranty ran out.
>> >They were good for 20,000 miles at best before things started going
>> >rather wormy.
>>
>> Come on then - what problems did the original Honda dreams suffer
>> from? And, crucially, how were these problems worse than contemporary
>> brit bikes?
>
>They rusted out and just about everything mechanical wore out.
>Easier to ask what problems they did NOT have.
>
>If the LE could reliably do over 100,000 miles I would expect a Jap
>bike to do at least half that before becoming a basket case.

Are you seriously maintaining that a Velocette could do 100k miles
without significant work?

>There are very good reasons why none of the early Jap bikes are still
>around in quantities commensurate with the number sold, in many cases
>none survive.

I think there's more around that Velo's to be honest.

--
Champ

ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R 600 racer
My advice as your attorney is to buy a motorcycle
To email me, neal at my domain should work.

Champ

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:58:49 +0100, Champ <news@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>I think there's more around that Velo's to be honest.

er, that should read "than Velos".
--
Champ

The Older Gentleman

raden <raden@kateda.org> wrote:

> Nah UK engines plodded along at reasonable revs and lasted for
> ever (STS), as opposed to the high revving, better performing Jap ones

We've done this before. Basically, the Brits built bikes that were
unreliable for decades.


--
K1100LT 955i 750SS CB400F CD250 CM200 SL125
GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60
The bells, the bells.....

The Older Gentleman

<crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com> wrote:

> The original Honda Dream was the bike that slaughtered the Britbike
> industry. They were very cheap to buy and had lots of shiny stuff like
> electric starters but horribly unreliable, rusted while you watched,
> and had widdowmaking handling. They outsold the Britbikes purely
> because they were CHEAP

Actually, the original CB72/77 were about the same price as Brit 500
when launched. Way more expensive than a Brit 250.

>and Shiny. I doubt if more than a handfull
> survive.

You doubt wrong.

So, having proved you know sweet FA, what are you going to do for an
encore?

--
K1100LT 955i 750SS CB400F CD250 CM200 SL125
GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60
The bells, the bells.....

The Older Gentleman

<crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com> wrote:

> Being old does not necessarily make a bike a classic. How many 500/4s
> do you see with original chromework for example.

About as many as I see Britbikes of the same age with original chrome.


--
K1100LT 955i 750SS CB400F CD250 CM200 SL125
GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60
The bells, the bells.....

crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com

In uk.rec.motorcycles.classic Hog <hogSPAM@freenetchips.co.uk> wrote:
> crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote:
>
> > If the LE could reliably do over 100,000 miles I would expect a Jap
>
> Who is this idiot?
> He missed out "with 10 engine rebuilds"

Rubbish.

Mine had its first rebuild last year and got bored to +30 from STD.
The eciloP sold them off at 100,000 on principle _before_ they needed
any serious attention.
I have documents to show that it left Hertfordshire Constabulary at
12 years old in 1978 at 96500 and did another 24000 with 2 more
owners before being stored in 1991.

You might not like them, but Velocette reliability was legendary and
the LE was one of their best efforts. The police loved them because
they never gave problems and were quiet enough for urban night patrols.

crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com

In uk.rec.motorcycles.classic Champ <news@champ.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> >If the LE could reliably do over 100,000 miles I would expect a Jap
> >bike to do at least half that before becoming a basket case.
>
> Are you seriously maintaining that a Velocette could do 100k miles
> without significant work?

Indeed, the clutch usually needed replacement at around 50,000 and
the police usually sold them off at around 100,000 because the engines
would start needing work after that. Regular servicing was, as always,
important. The only serious defect was a tendency for the body to
crack around the rear spring top mount slots when used by excessively
heavy plods. Most were fitted with modified reinforced slot plates
as a precaution.

steve auvache

In article <f8cbmf$8o0$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>,
crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com writes

>The original Honda Dream was the bike that slaughtered the Britbike
>industry.

Ignorant fool, it was the entire Honda range. But not just Honda and
not just bikes. At that time British manufacturing was suffering from
the effects of the nation still paying for it's own rebuilding programme
after winning WWII with cash borrowed from the merkin bankers and we
still had a huge a standing army whereas the losers had zillions of
dollars given to them to spend on rebuilding their shattered industrial
infrastructure and no bombs to buy. Unsurprising that all their
manufactures were better given they were doing it on new machinery
bought with generous gummint subsidies.



--
steve auvache
A Bloo one with built in safety features

Hog

steve auvache wrote:
> In article <f8cbmf$8o0$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>,
> crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com writes
>
>> The original Honda Dream was the bike that slaughtered the Britbike
>> industry.
>
> Ignorant fool, it was the entire Honda range. But not just Honda and
> not just bikes. At that time British manufacturing was suffering from
> the effects of the nation still paying for it's own rebuilding
> programme after winning WWII with cash borrowed from the merkin
> bankers and we still had a huge a standing army whereas the losers
> had zillions of dollars given to them to spend on rebuilding their
> shattered industrial infrastructure and no bombs to buy.
> Unsurprising that all their manufactures were better given they were
> doing it on new machinery bought with generous gummint subsidies.

What you say is true but the Germans and Japs had new people with new ideas
coming to the fore. The Brit bike industry was moribund. No imagination or
enthusiasm. They were also missing the huge shift in bike usage from daily
transport to luxury recreation/fashion.

--
Hog
'03 ST4S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400

Hog

Champ wrote:

> I hate to interrupt your inspired nonsense, but I think you'll find
> that political correctness was 'invented' by the americans.

....and although British scientists and engineers innovate UK businesses did
not implement. The Japs took the ideas and put them into production.

--
Hog
'03 ST4S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400

AW

c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com writes
>
> >>> The original Honda Dream was the bike that slaughtered the Britbike
> >>> industry.


You'd do well to get, read and inwardly digest a copy of Whatever
Happened to the British Motorcycle Industry? by Bert Hopwood before
you start spouting any more half-arsed-a-man-in-the-pub-told-me
nonsense.

My favourite quote which sums up so much of what went wrong:

"Most motorcyclists love to spend their Sunday mornings taking off the
cylinder head and re-seating the valves." (Donald Heather, director of
Norton, 1957.)

raden

In message <ac8pn4-q46.ln1@alt-activism-death-penalty.org>, Des
<des@yahoo.fr> writes
>Champ <news@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:58:49 +0100, Champ <news@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>I think there's more around that Velo's to be honest.
>>
>> er, that should read "than Velos".
>
>Er, that should in fact read 'vélos'.
>
Why's that then ?


--
geoff

Grimly Curmudgeon

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Steve <steveloukes@hotmail.com>
saying something like:

>The exact cause of this country going to the dogs is well known.
>It was when the War Office became the Ministry Of Defence in 1964.

Ye gods, I though it was earlier than that. There's a certain gravitas
about the Office of Things That Go Bang, Shiny Boots and Olive Green
Things that Min of Def simply doesn't have.
--
Dave
GS850x2 XS650 SE6a

Teach a man to fish and he and his pikey mates will have the
river cleaned out in a day.

The Older Gentleman

steve auvache <dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> wrote:

> Allow me to destroy your misapprehensions.

I do enjoy your postings when you're on form. Although it probably
irritates you to hear it.

Which is a bonus in itself, of course.


--
K1100LT 955i 750SS CB400F CD250 CM200 SL125
GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60
The bells, the bells.....

Badger

The Older Gentleman wrote:
> steve auvache <dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> Allow me to destroy your misapprehensions.
>
> I do enjoy your postings when you're on form. Although it probably
> irritates you to hear it.
>
> Which is a bonus in itself, of course.

What worries me is that I can see myself as growing old to become
another grumpy old fart like Auvache only without quite the same degree
of finesse.

I can't decide whether to kill myself now or to look forward to
inflicting myself on generations to come.

--
Rick
NT650V (still)
TWA#11 BREast#6 BOTAFOT#139

steve auvache

In article <1i1ybc7.4ycu9m1a7ed8gN%chateau.murrayTAKETHISOUT@ dsl.pipex.c
om>, The Older Gentleman <chateau.murrayTAKETHISOUT@dsl.pipex.com>
writes
>steve auvache <dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> Allow me to destroy your misapprehensions.
>
>I do enjoy your postings when you're on form. Although it probably
>irritates you to hear it.
>

Quite the opposite as it goes, I like to know when they are good.

What does irk though is that you lot never praise the really good ones.
I didn't work very hard on that one and bunged it out largely unfinished
because I couldn't be arsed to redo the prose and make it scan and flow
and stuff to make it work just right on the tongue and I wasn't really
that pleased with it. What happens? You lot love it. Conversely I
spend a whole evening putting my heart and soul into one and you lot
just ignore it. There is no justice in the world really there isn't.



--
steve auvache
A Bloo one with built in safety features

speedyspic@googlemail.com

On 28 Jul, 08:53, Badger <s...@housemartin.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> The Older Gentleman wrote:
> > steve auvache <dont_s...@thecow.me.uk> wrote:
>
> >> Allow me to destroy your misapprehensions.
>
> > I do enjoy your postings when you're on form. Although it probably
> > irritates you to hear it.
>
> > Which is a bonus in itself, of course.
>
> What worries me is that I can see myself as growing old to become
> another grumpy old fart like Auvache only without quite the same degree
> of finesse.

That'll be ok, but only if your daughters grow up to be as cute as
his.

--
Lozzo

steve auvache

In article <1185666566.243961.29050@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups. com>,
speedyspic@googlemail.com writes
>On 28 Jul, 08:53, Badger <s...@housemartin.f9.co.uk> wrote:
>> The Older Gentleman wrote:
>> > steve auvache <dont_s...@thecow.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >> Allow me to destroy your misapprehensions.
>>
>> > I do enjoy your postings when you're on form. Although it probably
>> > irritates you to hear it.
>>
>> > Which is a bonus in itself, of course.
>>
>> What worries me is that I can see myself as growing old to become
>> another grumpy old fart like Auvache only without quite the same degree
>> of finesse.
>
>That'll be ok, but only if your daughters grow up to be as cute as
>his.

Oh ain't she just, cute as they come that one and good looking too.
Kin dangerous she is.


--
steve auvache
A Bloo one with built in safety features

Badger

speedyspic@googlemail.com wrote:
> On 28 Jul, 08:53, Badger <s...@housemartin.f9.co.uk> wrote:
>> What worries me is that I can see myself as growing old to become
>> another grumpy old fart like Auvache only without quite the same degree
>> of finesse.
> That'll be ok, but only if your daughters grow up to be as cute as
> his.

Cub#1, who's now riding an ER-5, is far too cute for you to have a
chance, and Cub#2 just replied FOYRNB.

She clearly remembers you.

--
Rick
NT650V (still)
TWA#11 BREast#6 BOTAFOT#139

Timo Geusch

Ace wrote:

> On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 10:46:41 +0100, "Timo Geusch"
> <tnewsSPAMMENOT@unixconsult.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Not the majority I'd guess. I had almost constant problems with the
> > fuel system (that was back in the day when Triumph denied that there
> > was any problem with the quick-release plastic connectors) - I
> > think I went to the dealer five or six times because it was either
> > filling various orifices with petrol that weren't supposed to be
> > (like the electrics compartment at the back of the tank) or it was
> > pissing fuel out of a joint or three.
>
> That was what struck me as odd, or possubly just the normal
> Timo-effect, as for >25000 miles it had never had any wich problems. I
> guess spending a winter outside Veggie's gaff may have been not
> unrelated?

Oddly enough, I doubt for once that it was the Timo Distortion Field -
at the time there were a lot of people all over the world who had the
same problems with the connectors. They seemed to age prematurely from
the engine heat and then crack/not seal properly if you had to
disconnect them. Like, for changing the air filter...

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Dan L

Badger wrote:

> speedyspic@googlemail.com wrote:
> >On 28 Jul, 08:53, Badger <s...@housemartin.f9.co.uk> wrote:
> > > What worries me is that I can see myself as growing old to become
> > > another grumpy old fart like Auvache only without quite the same
> > > degree of finesse.
> > That'll be ok, but only if your daughters grow up to be as cute as
> > his.
>
> Cub#1, who's now riding an ER-5, is far too cute for you to have a
> chance, and Cub#2 just replied FOYRNB.
>
> She clearly remembers you.

Heh, remember this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dan_l/17353918/

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