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"New cycle lane cameras to hit wayward drivers with £120 fine"
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol...g/article21280 11.ece I use the 'advanced stop lines' all the time. I wonder if motorcycles will fall foul of this too. I also suspect that I know the answer... -- Chris -- Chris |
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>New cycle lane cameras to hit wayward drivers with £120 fine The strength of British apathy never ceases to amaze me. If a councillor or MP won't give an undertaking to reject this theft, then argue with them, don't vote for them. It's not a tricky concept. Just as in nature, cyclists are low on the food chain and artificially protecting them by attacking larger vehicles is bad for the environment. Look what happened when wolves were culled in Yellowstone park. The idea of 'disable a camera a day' is, of course, extremely naughty, and I couldn't possibly comment on it's advisability. -- Denis SprintST1050 Tiger750TR7RV Honda250 traily thing Volvo2.8chop (a project) |
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On 24 Jul, 14:03, "CT" <m...@christrollen.co.uk> wrote:
> "New cycle lane cameras to hit wayward drivers with £120 fine" > > http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol...g/article21280 > 11.ece > > I use the 'advanced stop lines' all the time. So do I. I can't see the problem. Bikes filter to the front, lights change, bikes depart before anyone else has even got into gear, no hold-ups. > I wonder if motorcycles > will fall foul of this too. I also suspect that I know the answer... I suspect, too. So traffic grinds to a halt while a phalanx of pedal- pushers blocks the road. I'm off on my hols tomorrow, btw. |
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> The strength of British apathy never ceases to amaze me. it's something they put in the food. -- dog sl1000 two#5 |
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:03:46 +0100, Dentist <DT@nospam.demon.co.uk>
wrote: >CT wrote; >>New cycle lane cameras to hit wayward drivers with £120 fine > >The strength of British apathy never ceases to amaze me. >If a councillor or MP won't give an undertaking to reject this theft, >then argue with them, don't vote for them. Here's a revolutionary concept for you... If you don't want to pay a fine, don't break the law. -- ZX-10R |
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:03:46 +0100, Dentist <DT@nospam.demon.co.uk>
wrote: >CT wrote; >>New cycle lane cameras to hit wayward drivers with £120 fine > >The strength of British apathy never ceases to amaze me. Who cares? -- _______ ..'_/_|_\_'. Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom) \`\ | /`/ DS#8 BOTAFOT#3 SbS#2 UKRMMA#13 DFV#8 SKA#2 IBB#10 `\\ | //' `\|/` ` |
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CT wrote:
> I use the 'advanced stop lines' all the time. I wonder if motorcycles > will fall foul of this too. I also suspect that I know the answer... Bikes and cages pretty much ignore them most of the time in Paris and the 'burbs. -- Cab :^) - I'm dyslex-spic apparently GSX 1400 - Speedy Zimmerframe. UKRMMA#10 (KOTL), IbW#015, BoB#4, POTM#3, SKA#1 email addy : ukrm_dot_cab_at_rosbif_dot_org UKRM Firefox Extension: http://www.rosbif.org/ukrm/ukrm.xpi The gingeometer: http://www.rosbif.org/ukrm/gingeometer/ |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Ben <ukrm@bensales.com> saying something like: >>The strength of British apathy never ceases to amaze me. >>If a councillor or MP won't give an undertaking to reject this theft, >>then argue with them, don't vote for them. > >Here's a revolutionary concept for you... > >If you don't want to pay a fine, don't break the law. Fakrysake, it's yet another turn of the screw. Those greedy bastards are gleefully rubbing their hands at the prospect of fining people for straying over a piece of paint bordering an empty space. If someone actually blocks a cycle lane, then fine the bastard, but not for just a second's intrusion where there is no one at risk. -- Dave GS850x2 XS650 SE6a Teach a man to fish and he and his pikey mates will have the river cleaned out in a day. |
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:01:46 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon
<grimly4REMOVE@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote: >We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the >drugs began to take hold. I remember Ben <ukrm@bensales.com> saying >something like: > >>>The strength of British apathy never ceases to amaze me. >>>If a councillor or MP won't give an undertaking to reject this theft, >>>then argue with them, don't vote for them. >> >>Here's a revolutionary concept for you... >> >>If you don't want to pay a fine, don't break the law. > >Fakrysake, it's yet another turn of the screw. Those greedy bastards are >gleefully rubbing their hands at the prospect of fining people for >straying over a piece of paint bordering an empty space. If someone >actually blocks a cycle lane, then fine the bastard, but not for just a >second's intrusion where there is no one at risk. What if that intrusion occurs when someone is riding in the same space? -- ZX-10R |
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In article <8q0ca35gmjhpd1pamqsefe1h396bciqjtr@4ax.com>, Ben wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:03:46 +0100, Dentist <DT@nospam.demon.co.uk> > wrote: > >>If a councillor or MP won't give an undertaking to reject this theft, >>then argue with them, don't vote for them. > > Here's a revolutionary concept for you... > > If you don't want to pay a fine, don't break the law. Steady on! Self-nominations for VOR are accepted y'know. Phil. -- Phil Launchbury, IT PHB 'I'm training the bats that live in my cube to juggle mushrooms' |
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In article <pq0ca3d0uc6r58s8os2oec27ept4sl6nha@4ax.com>, Ace wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:03:46 +0100, Dentist <DT@nospam.demon.co.uk> > wrote: > >>CT wrote; >>>New cycle lane cameras to hit wayward drivers with £120 fine >> >>The strength of British apathy never ceases to amaze me. > > Who cares? One day I'll find the time to sort out my procrastination too. Phil. -- Phil Launchbury, IT PHB 'I'm training the bats that live in my cube to juggle mushrooms' |
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Dentist <DT@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
<r4o28jKyifpGFwd5@valleys.demon.co.uk>: >CT wrote; >>New cycle lane cameras to hit wayward drivers with £120 fine > >The strength of British apathy never ceases to amaze me. >If a councillor or MP won't give an undertaking to reject this theft, >then argue with them, don't vote for them. It's not a tricky concept. Well, I see nothing wrong with this law in principle. I'll continue to ignore it in the way I ignore many motoring laws and where enforced by cameras I'll be more compliant. >Just as in nature, cyclists are low on the food chain and artificially >protecting them by attacking larger vehicles is bad for the environment. Following your logic through, it's OK for a car to punt a motorcyclist out of its way I assume. > >The idea of 'disable a camera a day' is, of course, extremely naughty, >and I couldn't possibly comment on it's advisability. Oh, I'd much rather people spent their time disabling camera vans. It's probably not advisable to be caught doing it though. -- K75RT, K1100LT, ZXR750H1, 5TA. I know I aint doing much, doing nothing means a lot to me. |
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Ben wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:03:46 +0100, Dentist <DT@nospam.demon.co.uk> > wrote: > >> CT wrote; >>> New cycle lane cameras to hit wayward drivers with £120 fine >> >> The strength of British apathy never ceases to amaze me. >> If a councillor or MP won't give an undertaking to reject this theft, >> then argue with them, don't vote for them. > > Here's a revolutionary concept for you... > > If you don't want to pay a fine, don't break the law. Poor Troll Mr Pedal Pusher ;o) -- Hog '03 ST4S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400 |
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:51:39 +0100, "Hog" <hogSPAM@freenetCHIPS.co.uk>
wrote: >Ben wrote: >> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:03:46 +0100, Dentist <DT@nospam.demon.co.uk> >> wrote: >> >>> CT wrote; >>>> New cycle lane cameras to hit wayward drivers with £120 fine >>> >>> The strength of British apathy never ceases to amaze me. >>> If a councillor or MP won't give an undertaking to reject this theft, >>> then argue with them, don't vote for them. >> >> Here's a revolutionary concept for you... >> >> If you don't want to pay a fine, don't break the law. > >Poor Troll Mr Pedal Pusher ;o) Not really a troll. I'm happy to break the rules now and again, but I'll never whinge about paying for it if I get caught. If Dentist doesn't want to pay 120 quid, then he shouldn't drive in cycle lanes. Quite simple really. -- ZX-10R |
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CT wrote:
> I use the 'advanced stop lines' all the time. I wonder if motorcycles > will fall foul of this too. I also suspect that I know the answer... I don't in the car, but why not on the bike? It's classed as "bicycle" on the tax disc. -- Christofire DIAABTCOD#1 DS#9 ZX-10R |
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On 24 Jul, 17:09, Ben <u...@bensales.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:51:39 +0100, "Hog" <hogS...@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> > wrote: > > > > >Ben wrote: > >> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:03:46 +0100, Dentist <D...@nospam.demon.co.uk> > >> wrote: > > >>> CT wrote; > >>>> New cycle lane cameras to hit wayward drivers with £120 fine > > >>> The strength of British apathy never ceases to amaze me. > >>> If a councillor or MP won't give an undertaking to reject this theft, > >>> then argue with them, don't vote for them. > > >> Here's a revolutionary concept for you... > > >> If you don't want to pay a fine, don't break the law. > > >Poor Troll Mr Pedal Pusher ;o) > > Not really a troll. I'm happy to break the rules now and again, but > I'll never whinge about paying for it if I get caught. > > If Dentist doesn't want to pay 120 quid, then he shouldn't drive in > cycle lanes. Quite simple really. Nice little swerve there. The point is that these aren't cycle lanes, as such. These are areas of tarmac at the front of traffic queues, where cycles are supposed to wait until the lights change (though few seem to). I wouldn't ride in a cycle lane. It's not safe, for a variety of reasons. However, there is absolutely no danger at all in a motorcycle, having filtered to the front of the traffic, in plonking itself there. Let's face it, no biker is going to give it full beans if there's a cycle right in front of him, is he? We have skins to lose too. What these areas do, if the law is adhered to rigidly, is actually reduce the ability of a motorcycle to make a clean and safe getaway. It can filter, but then has to pause, jammed in between other vehicles, until the lights go green. There simply isn't a safety problem here that needs to be addressed. The next step will be to treat the white line at the front of a traffic queue as an absolute. Put one wheel over that, brother, and you're fined. Yes, yes, in theory you should stay behind it, but again, there is no safety risk here at all in sticking your front wheel (or a bit more) over it, in order to get away swiftly and safely. In other words, it's pure revenue raising. Again. |
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Ben wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:51:39 +0100, "Hog" <hogSPAM@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> > wrote: > >> Ben wrote: >>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:03:46 +0100, Dentist <DT@nospam.demon.co.uk> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> CT wrote; >>>>> New cycle lane cameras to hit wayward drivers with £120 fine >>>> >>>> The strength of British apathy never ceases to amaze me. >>>> If a councillor or MP won't give an undertaking to reject this >>>> theft, then argue with them, don't vote for them. >>> >>> Here's a revolutionary concept for you... >>> >>> If you don't want to pay a fine, don't break the law. >> >> Poor Troll Mr Pedal Pusher ;o) > > Not really a troll. I'm happy to break the rules now and again, but > I'll never whinge about paying for it if I get caught. You really can't take that attitude far though? -- Hog '03 ST4S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400 |
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:22:22 -0700,
TOG@toil,chateau.murray@btinternet.com, <chateau.murray@btinternet.com> wrote: >On 24 Jul, 17:09, Ben <u...@bensales.com> wrote: >> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:51:39 +0100, "Hog" <hogS...@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Ben wrote: >> >> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:03:46 +0100, Dentist <D...@nospam.demon.co.uk> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>> CT wrote; >> >>>> New cycle lane cameras to hit wayward drivers with £120 fine >> >> >>> The strength of British apathy never ceases to amaze me. >> >>> If a councillor or MP won't give an undertaking to reject this theft, >> >>> then argue with them, don't vote for them. >> >> >> Here's a revolutionary concept for you... >> >> >> If you don't want to pay a fine, don't break the law. >> >> >Poor Troll Mr Pedal Pusher ;o) >> >> Not really a troll. I'm happy to break the rules now and again, but >> I'll never whinge about paying for it if I get caught. >> >> If Dentist doesn't want to pay 120 quid, then he shouldn't drive in >> cycle lanes. Quite simple really. > > >Nice little swerve there. The point is that these aren't cycle lanes, >as such. These are areas of tarmac at the front of traffic queues, >where cycles are supposed to wait until the lights change (though few >seem to). The OP was about cycle lanes, not advance stop boxes. -- ZX-10R |
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:24:24 +0100, "Hog" <hogSPAM@freenetCHIPS.co.uk>
wrote: >Ben wrote: >> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:51:39 +0100, "Hog" <hogSPAM@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> >> wrote: >> >>> Ben wrote: >>>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:03:46 +0100, Dentist <DT@nospam.demon.co.uk> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> CT wrote; >>>>>> New cycle lane cameras to hit wayward drivers with £120 fine >>>>> >>>>> The strength of British apathy never ceases to amaze me. >>>>> If a councillor or MP won't give an undertaking to reject this >>>>> theft, then argue with them, don't vote for them. >>>> >>>> Here's a revolutionary concept for you... >>>> >>>> If you don't want to pay a fine, don't break the law. >>> >>> Poor Troll Mr Pedal Pusher ;o) >> >> Not really a troll. I'm happy to break the rules now and again, but >> I'll never whinge about paying for it if I get caught. > >You really can't take that attitude far though? I only break the rules I can afford to :-) -- ZX-10R |
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> The OP was about cycle lanes, not advance stop boxes. And in true ukrm tradition, you obviously didn't read the whole atricle in the link  )"The cameras would also monitor cycle boxes at traffic lights, known as 'advanced stop lines'." -- Chris |
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TOG@toil wrote:
> However, there is absolutely no danger at all in a motorcycle, having > filtered to the front of the traffic, in plonking itself there. Let's > face it, no biker is going to give it full beans if there's a cycle > right in front of him, is he? We have skins to lose too. TBH I don't have a problem sharing an ASL with a motorbike[1]. In fact if you do pull into an ASL that I am sat in, I would prefer you to move in front, and get away as soon as the lights change. [1] I don't mean one of those ones with lawn mower engine in. Martin. |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Ben <ukrm@bensales.com> saying something like: > but not for just a >>second's intrusion where there is no one at risk. > >What if that intrusion occurs when someone is riding in the same >space? Then screw them for a stiff fine, for such an action bespeaks inattention, ignorance and/or carelessness. It's the principle of fining for fining's sake I strongly disagree with, not a justified fine where somebody is actually put at very real risk or actually injured. -- Dave GS850x2 XS650 SE6a Teach a man to fish and he and his pikey mates will have the river cleaned out in a day. |
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"Martin Dann" <martin.dann@virgin.net> wrote in message
news:_Dppi.2533$S91.139@newsfe7-win.ntli.net... > TBH I don't have a problem sharing an ASL with a motorbike[1]. In fact if > you do pull into an ASL that I am sat in, I would prefer you to move in > front, and get away as soon as the lights change. > > [1] I don't mean one of those ones with lawn mower engine in. Have recently returned from Italy, including some cycling in Rome and Florence - the busy bits. The experience of the swarm of scooters at the traffic lights all setting off at the same time aiming for much the same gap is quite something - recommended. Mixing it with them on the tandem was fun - slightly slower, but can get through narrower gaps. What's especially good is that because people are used to having insane scooter riders everywhere, they seem to be fairly observant and not actually try and kill you. cheers, clive |
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>I'd suggest that you read what you wrote again about "place in the food >chain". I am not responsible for your misinterpretation of my posts ;-) The 'food chain' will continue to be unaffected by this, due to traffic density and poor separation of traffic types. If you want to get pedantic, diving into an empty cycle lane to allow an emergency vehicle through would be an offence under this proposal. That is wrong and stupid. -- Denis SprintST1050 Tiger750TR7RV Honda250 traily thing Volvo2.8chop (a project) |
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On 24 Jul 2007 16:01:34 GMT, "CT" <me@christrollen.co.uk> wrote:
>Ben wrote: > >> The OP was about cycle lanes, not advance stop boxes. > >And in true ukrm tradition, you obviously didn't read the whole atricle >in the link )> >"The cameras would also monitor cycle boxes at traffic lights, known as >'advanced stop lines'." Nah, I did read it, I just ignored it. -- ZX-10R |
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christofire wrote:
> > I use the 'advanced stop lines' all the time. I wonder if motorcycles > > will fall foul of this too. I also suspect that I know the answer... > > I don't in the car, but why not on the bike? It's classed as "bicycle" > on the tax disc. That's what I do, don't see a problem. I can see the reason of keeping cars out of cycle lanes - there wouldn't be a great deal of point in having separate lanes if the cars used them as well. -- Simon |
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TOG@toil,chateau.murray@btinternet.com, wrote:
> In other words, it's pure revenue raising. Again. Do you honestly believe this is the primary purpose? -- Simon |
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TOG@toil,chateau.murray@btinternet.com, wrote:
> > If Dentist doesn't want to pay 120 quid, then he shouldn't drive in > > cycle lanes. Quite simple really. > > Nice little swerve there. The point is that these aren't cycle lanes, > as such. These are areas of tarmac at the front of traffic queues, > where cycles are supposed to wait until the lights change (though few > seem to). I think cyclist jumping red lights are going to be the subject of the police's interest in the coming months and this is part of that. Motoring types have been moaning about the pesky little peddlars and their SPAD tendencies for quite a while and enforcement of the cycle lane rules for all parties is going to be part of that. -- Simon |
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Dentist <DT@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
<i33EPoDN5ipGFwsi@valleys.demon.co.uk>: > wrote; >>I'd suggest that you read what you wrote again about "place in the food >>chain". > >I am not responsible for your misinterpretation of my posts ;-) I can do without the smiley and you're very much responsible for people's interpretation of your posts. >The 'food chain' will continue to be unaffected by this, due to traffic >density and poor separation of traffic types. >If you want to get pedantic, diving into an empty cycle lane to allow an >emergency vehicle through would be an offence under this proposal. That >is wrong and stupid. And you really believe that this would result in a fine? It wouldn't; or, if it did it could be simply enough pushed back on. -- K75RT, K1100LT, ZXR750H1, 5TA. I know I aint doing much, doing nothing means a lot to me. |
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"sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
<xn0f938oppnbg4002@news.individual.net>: >Motoring types have been moaning about the pesky little peddlars and >their SPAD tendencies for quite a while and enforcement of the cycle lane ^^^^ Heh. You can take the railway out of the boy... >rules for all parties is going to be part of that. And good for it. Well, as long as other places are as liberal as Bristol regarding bikes in bus lanes. -- K75RT, K1100LT, ZXR750H1, 5TA. I know I aint doing much, doing nothing means a lot to me. |
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"CT" <me@christrollen.co.uk> wrote in message news:xn0f9303m9nsog008@news.individual.net... > "New cycle lane cameras to hit wayward drivers with £120 fine" > > http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol...g/article21280 > 11.ece > > I use the 'advanced stop lines' all the time. I wonder if motorcycles > will fall foul of this too. I also suspect that I know the answer... And what's this "Better enforcement will give people, particularly women, more confidence that they will be protected if they take up cycling." all about? I thought wimmin wanted equality. Let them be as unprotected as men and let them die like men I say. -- Beav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 |
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In article <aZqpi.5848$sI3.3386@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>, Beav <beavis.orig
inal@ntlwoxorld.com> writes >I thought wimmin wanted equality. Nah that is yer dykes want that mate. Wimmin, yer real wimmin that is, wanna be shagged through the mattress and out the other side. -- steve auvache A Bloo one with built in safety features |
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CT banged the rocks together and they said :
> "New cycle lane cameras to hit wayward drivers with £120 fine" > > http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol...ing/article212 > 80 11.ece > > I use the 'advanced stop lines' all the time. I wonder if motorcycles > will fall foul of this too. I also suspect that I know the answer... I propose we campaign for Livingstone cameras. It shall be an offence for any Livingstone to be on any throughfare in Greater London. If one is caught they are issued with a £120 fine, automatically reduced to £60 if paid within 7 days. -- frag Kawasaki ZX9R E1 Honda XRV750 BOTAFOT#6 exKoTBOTAFOTL BOD#7 MKA&E#1 (Oak Leaf Cluster) UKRMHRC#11 DS#5 UK-R-M FAQ : http://www.ukrm.net/faq/index.html DFV#3 |
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Ben banged the rocks together and they said :
> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:03:46 +0100, Dentist <DT@nospam.demon.co.uk> > wrote: > > > CT wrote; > > > New cycle lane cameras to hit wayward drivers with £120 fine > > > > The strength of British apathy never ceases to amaze me. > > If a councillor or MP won't give an undertaking to reject this > > theft, then argue with them, don't vote for them. > > Here's a revolutionary concept for you... > > If you don't want to pay a fine, don't break the law. Ah, very simple. Problem is in 25 years when they introduce a law saying you shall not inhale more than 250ml of air per breath, and take no more than 15 breaths per minute. (of course all the ex-smokers will be fine, as we can't breath properly anyway) -- frag Kawasaki ZX9R E1 Honda XRV750 BOTAFOT#6 exKoTBOTAFOTL BOD#7 MKA&E#1 (Oak Leaf Cluster) UKRMHRC#11 DS#5 UK-R-M FAQ : http://www.ukrm.net/faq/index.html DFV#3 |
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deadmail@burnt.org.uk wrote;
>I can do without the smiley It's usenet, you'll take what I give you, and vice versa. You're lucky I'm in a pleasant mood. >you're very much responsible for people's interpretation of your posts. Wrong, but consistent with your contrary attitude. >And you really believe that this would result in a fine? It wouldn't; >or, if it did it could be simply enough pushed back on. So this is a difference of opinion. Unfortunately, there are precedents for my point of view. The inevitability of the outcome of this thread is such that I will now shout HITLER, and trust you to provide a pithy last remark. :-) -- Denis SprintST1050 Tiger750TR7RV Honda250 traily thing Volvo2.8chop (a project) |
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Dentist <DT@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
<wTaAW7J7PkpGFwN+@valleys.demon.co.uk>: >deadmail@burnt.org.uk wrote; >>I can do without the smiley >It's usenet, you'll take what I give you, and vice versa. You're lucky >I'm in a pleasant mood. I am? Gosh. How scary you must be. > >>you're very much responsible for people's interpretation of your posts. >Wrong, but consistent with your contrary attitude. No, communication is the responsibility of the person forming the communication; pure and simple. > >>And you really believe that this would result in a fine? It wouldn't; >>or, if it did it could be simply enough pushed back on. >So this is a difference of opinion. Unfortunately, there are precedents >for my point of view. Not in my experience. Still, enjoy your paranoid universe. However I've had several parking tickets written off because I was ignorant of the rules (but had broken them) so I don't see how this would be different. Still, maybe my communication methods are a little more effective than yours. -- K75RT, K1100LT, ZXR750H1, 5TA. I know I aint doing much, doing nothing means a lot to me. |
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