Des

Hog <hogSPAM@freenetchips.co.uk> wrote:

> Very wise if you don't enjoy the Slammer! it's something of a problem
> crossing borders, even using the Tunnel and even just a bit of bud. A
> shame really as the Chimay campfire was otherwise perfect.

See, if you'd invited me ....

D.
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Phil Launchbury

In article <MPG.2122bb8d13c1a02898a396@news.individual.net> , Bear wrote:
> In article <82ahb3hrnd364nvmfas96u1mt4cmdf3bag@4ax.com>, Ace says...
>> Had an hour-long T/C earlier where I recognised from my reactions that
>> my mental state's not too good either. Could think straight-ish, but
>> my tolerance for fools is around zero at the moment, which isn't good
>
> I know this sounds a bit off the wall, but what are the side-effects of
> coming off the painkillers you were on? Were you on opiates?

Sounds remarkably like my side effects from codeine-withdrawal (yes yes
- I know they say that codeine isn't addictive but they are wrong..).

When I've had to take large doses for several days at a time I can
guarentee that the next few days I will be very very irritable and
tired.

Phil.

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Ace

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:09:08 GMT, "Krusty"
<dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

>Phil Launchbury wrote:

>> yes - I know they say that codeine isn't addictive but they are
>> wrong..).
>
>Who says it isn't addictive?

Cetainly not anyone who's aware that it metabolises to morphine in the
body.

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Krusty

Ace wrote:

> On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:09:08 GMT, "Krusty"
> <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Phil Launchbury wrote:
>
> >> yes - I know they say that codeine isn't addictive but they are
> >> wrong..).
> >
> > Who says it isn't addictive?
>
> Cetainly not anyone who's aware that it metabolises to morphine in the
> body.

Indeed - well most people's bodies anyway (not everyone has the
required enzyme to convert it).

I've never seen /anyone/ claim it isn't addictive though, & I've done a
huge amount of research on opiates over the last few weeks[1].

[1] This'll be where Phil posts links to a gazillion websites claiming
Codeine isn't addictive.

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Ace

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:55:06 GMT, "Krusty"
<dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

>> > Phil Launchbury wrote:
>>
>> >> yes - I know they say that codeine isn't addictive but they are
>> >> wrong..).

>I've never seen /anyone/ claim it isn't addictive though, & I've done a
>huge amount of research on opiates over the last few weeks[1].

Any particular reason?

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Ace wrote:

> On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:55:06 GMT, "Krusty"
> <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> > Phil Launchbury wrote:
> >>
> >> >> yes - I know they say that codeine isn't addictive but they are
> >> >> wrong..).
>
> > I've never seen anyone claim it isn't addictive though, & I've done
> > a huge amount of research on opiates over the last few weeks[1].
>
> Any particular reason?

Helping a mate get off heroin.

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Phil Launchbury

In article <dt7jb3pvlmqb35v7btfsj1hct01o1qkosf@4ax.com>, Ace wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:09:08 GMT, "Krusty"
><dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Phil Launchbury wrote:
>
>>> yes - I know they say that codeine isn't addictive but they are
>>> wrong..).
>>
>>Who says it isn't addictive?
>
> Cetainly not anyone who's aware that it metabolises to morphine in the
> body.

Well quite. But judging by the pain management doctors ability to
listen to his patients I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't know that
either..

Phil

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Phil Launchbury

In article <eihui.5501$mZ5.4340@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>, Krusty wrote:
> Ace wrote:
>
>> > Who says it isn't addictive?
>>
>> Cetainly not anyone who's aware that it metabolises to morphine in the
>> body.
>
> Indeed - well most people's bodies anyway (not everyone has the
> required enzyme to convert it).

I do. Most definately. It just seems to be wearing out..

>
> I've never seen /anyone/ claim it isn't addictive though, & I've done a
> huge amount of research on opiates over the last few weeks[1].

How... interesting. Lots of practical research?

>
> [1] This'll be where Phil posts links to a gazillion websites claiming
> Codeine isn't addictive.

Not me guv.

Phil

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