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Re: Drive or ride?
Muck wrote:
> > Guzzi Convert. I don't think there's a clutch lever on those. > > If Guzzi electrics are anything like Gilera electrics, then no thanks. They're pretty good. I've certainly had very little trouble from my 28 year old machine's. It's also an ex police bike with some odd non-standard police type stuff. The lego type light switch died a few years ago and the kill switch connector block went green - that's about it. A crappy crimp on bullet connector gave me some grief with the rear light until I did the job properly. The Guzzi electrics thing is a bit of a myth. They're the same as everything else at that age. -- Simon |
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Re: Drive or ride?
"Hog" <hogSPAM@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> wrote in message news:5hou1gF3m829lU1@mid.individual.net... > Beav wrote: >> "Hog" <hogSPAM@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:5ho9pbF3k8pacU1@mid.individual.net... >>> Beav wrote: >>>> "Muck" <muck@rulex.net> wrote in message >>>> news:MPG.2120e2c192049b4898973d@news.individual.ne t... >>>>> In article <lRpti.4040$mo.1748@newsfe4-win.ntli.net>, >>>>> beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com says... >>>>>> is that a rider who can't use a clutch could use an FJ. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There's a nice video of how it works at the link given above. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course the standard non-electric-shift version FJR1300 is >>>>>>> still available as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not much use to the guy who can't use his clutch hand properly >>>>>> though, is >>>>>> it? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I wonder if they'll put that system on other bikes? >>>> >>>> I can see it being used on a lot of bikes in the future. It was once >>>> regarded as being "odd" that cars have auto transmission, but things >>>> changed and they will for bikes too. >>> >>> Sure but not on sprotbikes as not in proper sprotcars >> >> There are already cars that are regarded (by some) as "proper" >> sprotscars with auto boxes these days. I'm thinking SL Mercs, Jags >> and Beemers. I don't think the MX-5 is available as an auto though :-) > > Wallowing overweight pigs, hardly true sprotcars ;o) Like I said, "some", but I'm sure there are others which are in contention. > > SL 65 AMG = 2385kg > > (Carerra S = 1820) > > did you see my post re paintwork? Nooo, but I'll have a look for it. -- Beav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 |
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Bear wrote:
> > The rule with paddle shifts is that they should be connected to proper > auto boxes. When they are, the results are often stunning. > > When they aren't, you get a graunchy, "artificial" change which isn't > nice. What makes a 'proper' auto box then? |
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Re: Drive or ride?
"Muck" <muck@rulex.net> wrote in message news:MPG.2121722068ce895298973f@news.individual.ne t... > In article <YdCti.9958$S91.98@newsfe7-win.ntli.net>, > beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com says... >> >> "Muck" <muck@rulex.net> wrote in message >> news:MPG.2120e2fbbd7abfe098973e@news.individual.ne t... >> > In article <lTpti.4061$mo.1330@newsfe4-win.ntli.net>, >> > beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com says... >> > >> >> > Interesting device. Still not an in line four though. >> >> >> >> The FJ is though, so you need to tighten your criteria. Not a nimble >> >> V-twin >> >> with plenty of torque and not an in-line 4 unless it weighs less than >> >> 200kg. >> > >> > I'd like an R1 with it on. >> >> Who knows, maybe one day sprotbikes will have the option. >> > > I hope so, it'll make life easier for me if I've still got probs when > I'm able to buy a sports bike. It's not like the system is a full auto > with torque converter, still got a proper gearbox and wet clutch. > Thinking of fully auto bikes brings that Honda 400 auto Superdream to > mind. I'd rather have my scooter thanks. Oh, I think things have moved on since those days. -- Beav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 |
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Re: Drive or ride?
"Muck" <muck@rulex.net> wrote in message news:MPG.21218751c3b3ad51989743@news.individual.ne t... > In article <xn0f9mzf2eye39003@news.individual.net>, > sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk says... >> Muck wrote: >> >> > > Guzzi Convert. I don't think there's a clutch lever on those. >> > >> > If Guzzi electrics are anything like Gilera electrics, then no thanks. >> >> They're pretty good. I've certainly had very little trouble from my 28 >> year old machine's. It's also an ex police bike with some odd >> non-standard police type stuff. >> >> The lego type light switch died a few years ago and the kill switch >> connector block went green - that's about it. >> >> A crappy crimp on bullet connector gave me some grief with the rear light >> until I did the job properly. >> >> The Guzzi electrics thing is a bit of a myth. They're the same as >> everything else at that age. >> > > That's comforting to know. My Gilera was sitting for a while, I think > that's why it has had some issues maybe. I think I may go through the > electrics, depending on time, and rewire the whole thing in a logical > way. Before I'd embark on that task, I'd check, clean and "Vaseline" all the connectors and switches I could find. -- Beav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 |
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Re: Drive or ride?
On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 20:04:39 +0100, Muck <muck@rulex.net> wrote:
>If Guzzi electrics are anything like Gilera electrics, then no thanks. >  Well, I wouldn't recommend getting a Quota - they use a Ducati regulator and alternator and yes, I've got through one of each, though it was from corrosion in both cases. -- -Pip |
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In article <46b794aa$0$31725$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>, NickNoxx says...
> Bear wrote: > > > > > The rule with paddle shifts is that they should be connected to proper > > auto boxes. When they are, the results are often stunning. > > > > When they aren't, you get a graunchy, "artificial" change which isn't > > nice. > > What makes a 'proper' auto box then? 5 speed or better, lockup if poss, made to take the power of the car it's mated to. Look at the DB9 vs the V12 Vanquish; DB9; proper auto, paddle shift, a delight. Vanquish; manual with auto changes, paddle shift, apparently a total PITA. -- Bear |
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Re: Drive or ride?
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember NickNoxx <nick@munged_for_spam.com> saying something like: >Bear wrote: > >> >> The rule with paddle shifts is that they should be connected to proper >> auto boxes. When they are, the results are often stunning. >> >> When they aren't, you get a graunchy, "artificial" change which isn't >> nice. > >What makes a 'proper' auto box then? Generally; epicyclic gears with brake bands and some form of torque converter or fluid drive - lends itself to remote control very easily. Attempts to automate or remote control conventional coggy boxes have usually fallen short of perfection. -- Dave GS850x2 XS650 SE6a Teach a man to fish and he and his pikey mates will have the river cleaned out in a day. |
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Muck <muck@rulex.net> wrote:
> Thinking of fully auto bikes brings that Honda 400 auto Superdream Not fully auto. Nor was the Guzzi Convert. Two-speed systems, both. -- K1100LT 750SS CB400F CD250 SL125 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 The bells, the bells..... |
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Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
> Generally; epicyclic gears with brake bands and some form of torque > converter or fluid drive - lends itself to remote control very easily. > Attempts to automate or remote control conventional coggy boxes have > usually fallen short of perfection. aaah, Wilsons Epicyclic Gearbox and the Derby Lightweight: http://www.railcar.co.uk/his100-109/108intro.htm Still had to manually change gear though. I suppose a train driver is a form of remote control. -- Simon |
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Muck <muck@rulex.net> wrote:
> In article <1i2gq4n.1xhup1u2gc2rlN% > chateau.murrayTAKETHISOUT@dsl.pipex.com>, > chateau.murrayTAKETHISOUT@dsl.pipex.com says... > > Muck <muck@rulex.net> wrote: > > > > > Thinking of fully auto bikes brings that Honda 400 auto Superdream > > > > Not fully auto. Nor was the Guzzi Convert. Two-speed systems, both. > > > > You had to change manually, or did it do the changing for you? Manually but clutchless. You could leave either in the higher of the two ratios all the time, but getaways were even more leisurely. -- K1100LT 750SS CB400F CD250 SL125 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 The bells, the bells..... |
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Snowleopard wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 20:52:03 GMT, "platypus" > <monotreme@blueyonder.co.uk> said > >> deadmail@burnt.org.uk wrote: >>> It's beyond me how anyone can fail to know who Penelope Cruz is. >>> Then again... I suppose I only know because of Vanilla Sky. >> >> I've heard the name, but... >> >> <googles> >> >> Looks okay. Is she a great actress or just pretty? > > She's a better actress in her own language (IYSWIM). Bi-lingual, is she? -- platypus somewhere to go for the night |
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On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 11:08:22 GMT, "platypus"
<monotreme@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>>> It's beyond me how anyone can fail to know who Penelope Cruz is. >>>> Then again... I suppose I only know because of Vanilla Sky. >>> >>> I've heard the name, but... >>> >>> <googles> >>> >>> Looks okay. Is she a great actress or just pretty? >> >> She's a better actress in her own language (IYSWIM). > >Bi-lingual, is she? The little minx! -- Champ I don't know, but I been told, you never slow down, you never get old ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 (race) neal at champ dot org dot uk |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> saying something like: >> Generally; epicyclic gears with brake bands and some form of torque >> converter or fluid drive - lends itself to remote control very easily. >> Attempts to automate or remote control conventional coggy boxes have >> usually fallen short of perfection. > >aaah, Wilsons Epicyclic Gearbox and the Derby Lightweight: >http://www.railcar.co.uk/his100-109/108intro.htm > >Still had to manually change gear though. I suppose a train driver is a >form of remote control. Same as the Leyland Atlantean - engine and epi' 'box at the back, electro-mechanical or pneumatic gear selection from the front. Later ones were fully auto. Not huge boxes either, considering. -- Dave GS850x2 XS650 SE6a Teach a man to fish and he and his pikey mates will have the river cleaned out in a day. |
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Re: Drive or ride?
"Muck" <muck@rulex.net> wrote in message news:MPG.212222cca1c2d5ba989745@news.individual.ne t... > In article <DTMti.14947$h11.3675@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net>, > beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com says... > >> > That's comforting to know. My Gilera was sitting for a while, I think >> > that's why it has had some issues maybe. I think I may go through the >> > electrics, depending on time, and rewire the whole thing in a logical >> > way. >> >> Before I'd embark on that task, I'd check, clean and "Vaseline" all the >> connectors and switches I could find. >> > > Well, it's just not wired very well.. Also, I'd like to modify the > wiring to put a standard generic reg / rec in there. The only reason > this Gilera has an expensive one, is it has a switch inside to turn on > the power to the auto choke and carb heater when there is output from > the generator. Plus, there's a whole load of other stuff I can improve. Well rather thee than me, coz electrics really bollocks my head in. -- Beav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 |
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Re: Drive or ride?
"Muck" <muck@rulex.net> wrote in message news:MPG.2122cfb31c9bf728989748@news.individual.ne t... > In article <X81ui.2114$1G1.1865@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>, > beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com says... >> >> "Muck" <muck@rulex.net> wrote in message >> news:MPG.212222cca1c2d5ba989745@news.individual.ne t... >> > In article <DTMti.14947$h11.3675@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net>, >> > beavis.original@ntlwoxorld.com says... >> > >> >> > That's comforting to know. My Gilera was sitting for a while, I >> >> > think >> >> > that's why it has had some issues maybe. I think I may go through >> >> > the >> >> > electrics, depending on time, and rewire the whole thing in a >> >> > logical >> >> > way. >> >> >> >> Before I'd embark on that task, I'd check, clean and "Vaseline" all >> >> the >> >> connectors and switches I could find. >> >> >> > >> > Well, it's just not wired very well.. Also, I'd like to modify the >> > wiring to put a standard generic reg / rec in there. The only reason >> > this Gilera has an expensive one, is it has a switch inside to turn on >> > the power to the auto choke and carb heater when there is output from >> > the generator. Plus, there's a whole load of other stuff I can improve. >> >> Well rather thee than me, coz electrics really bollocks my head in. >> > > Electrics is simple when you've worked out how to keep the magic smoke > in the wires. Oddly enough, I'm fine when it comes to adding things but I draw the line at anything that can release the magic smoke. >Having decent test meters, and a hand held oscilloscope is > good too... That's as much use to me as a television with no picture. >as is a gas powered soldering iron. I've got any number of them. I'm an EXCELLENT hand at soldering, but someone needs to make sure I'm soldering the right wires together before they turn me lose. >This scooter is about as > complex as a toaster, So that's me not getting a scooter then. > which also helps, a lot. It dun't help me at all -- Beav VN 750 Zed 1000 OMF# 19 |
