Cane

"Ben Blaney" <benblaney@ukrm.net> wrote in message
news:57hm401qftif6gq6jao6tlmg3dguc0kvb8@4ax.com...

> And...Hmmm.

Nice pad BTW. Good view too.

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Ben Blaney

Cane wrote:

>"Ben Blaney" <benblaney@ukrm.net> wrote in message
>news:57hm401qftif6gq6jao6tlmg3dguc0kvb8@4ax.com.. .
>
>> And...Hmmm.
>
>Nice pad BTW. Good view too.

Yeah it's pos. Going to buy surround sound amp and speakers after
work tonight.

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Ben Blaney

Cane

"Ben Blaney" <benblaney@ukrm.net> wrote in message
news:5ghm40d3iomke08g2hmng82flf1bpg1d6e@4ax.com...

> It's your *faith*, too. You don't *believe* but you can't *know*.
> Same as religious people.

It's just bollocks... like Des' R1

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Martian

Whinging Courier wrote:
> In uk.rec.motorcycles, Martian said:
>
>
>>I am onto my third so far (Ethiopian Mocha, VERRRY NICE) and have
>>replied to your other posts above.
>
>
> I've got to go to Sainsury's later. I'll bung some in my basket.
>

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooo not sainsbury's

Whittards!!!!

Fresh beans not pre-ground, with lots of single cream in a 1 pint mug.

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Martian

Whinging Courier wrote:
> In uk.rec.motorcycles, Martian said:
[snip]
>>I didn't try to prove anything, although apparently the rate of
>>expansion is slowing if you measure the far red spectrum or something
>>(see Universe in a Nutshell by Hawkings).
>
>
> Ah, now there's a guy. I believe he knows as well but has the brains and
> logic to articulate it to simpletons.

See also, brief history of time.
>
>
>>>Bigger than a mere mortal such as me can articulate. I've seen
>>>(imagined) it in moments of inspired consciousness
>>
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Hmmm, yes, nothing to do with mushrooms or weeds then?
>
>
> Yes, plenty to do with those, and a lot more besides ;-)
>
> I don't regret doing it but it's left me with a lot of problems.

Been there, seen it, done it, bought the T-shirts etc blah blah blah,
not big, not clever and the damage can be slight to serious, I have two
very close friends who have been diagnosed as suffering from
Schizophrenia, they did everything I did and somehow I managed to escape
relatively unscathed, I can't prove the choices we made caused the
illness and evidence would suggest a pre-disposition is required however
I don't think it helped matters any. Both are now on medication for
the forseeable future.

[snip]

> You could argue that if a chair looks flimsy you won't sit on it. Maybe
> you can use that when the Christians next ask you about faith ;-)

Nice one, I will try that although I could see it being turned round
regarding other religions etc.
>
>
>>I tried to use the same arguments as you describe above however what i
>>did realise was that he was on the same track as me in the discussion
>>just I had a different value and belief base to him.
>
>
> Agreed :-)
>

Oh well then that'll be the end of that then.

BTW the K+N is working a treat however I have noticed that the carb
icing in -2 conditions is a bit worse.

--
Martian:
"For a minute there, you bored me to death."
Bandit 600, TDR250 http://ukrm.net/BIKES/Yamaha/tdr250.html, MZ ETZ 125
martin dot smith nine zero three at ntlworld dot com

Darren Robinson

"AndrewR" <andrew@rockface.freeserve.co.uk> burbled:

>I think your lack of education, or even a basic understanding of physics,
>detracts all merit from any of the points you've made. Your theory about us
>all being a petri dish is rubbish as well.

Of course it is. Any fule kno it's a Klein bottle.


--
Darren Robinson
GSF1200K3
GHPOTHUF#14, KotL two#/two#1, IbW#34, MIB#12, no points.

Catman

Cane wrote:

> "Whinging Courier" <markonusenetTAKEITAWAY@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1ab484921fd7b548989c96@news.individual.ne t...
>
>> "I could do this all day"
>
> Of course you could. Faith requires no argument. That's why it's worked so
> well for the ignorant over the centuries.
>

To think that everyone that has some kind of religious faith is somehow
ignoratn shows a breathtaking ability to deny the evidence of one's own
experience, or a very narrow field of experience IMHO.
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Catman

Ben Blaney wrote:

> Cane wrote:
>
>>"Ben Blaney" <benblaney@ukrm.net> wrote in message
>>news:57hm401qftif6gq6jao6tlmg3dguc0kvb8@4ax.com. ..
>>
>>> And...Hmmm.
>>
>>Nice pad BTW. Good view too.
>
> Yeah it's pos. Going to buy surround sound amp and speakers after
> work tonight.
>
Erm, you already own a surround sound amp........
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Catman

Martian wrote:

> Whinging Courier wrote:
>> In uk.rec.motorcycles, Martian said:
>>
>>
>>>I am onto my third so far (Ethiopian Mocha, VERRRY NICE) and have
>>>replied to your other posts above.
>>
>>
>> I've got to go to Sainsury's later. I'll bung some in my basket.
>>
>
> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooo not sainsbury's
>
> Whittards!!!!
>
> Fresh beans not pre-ground, with lots of single cream in a 1 pint mug.
>

Cream? YUK
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Triumph Speed Triple: Black with extra black bits
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Lady Nina

On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 18:49:39 +0300, Ben Blaney <benblaney@ukrm.net>
wrote:

>deadmail@burnt.org.uk wrote:
>
>>I don't see *how* someone can be arrogant enough to decide that religion
>>*is* all bollocks.
>
>I think a good deal of it is posturing, tbh.
>
>>I *think* it's all bollocks but cleverer people than me apparently
>>believe it.
>
>The Archbishop of Canterbury is one seriously bright bloke.
>
>http://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/about/bio.html
>
>ISTR he was one of the youngest ever Cambridge Dons.

There are some extremely well educated, thoughtful and tolerant people
across a wide range of religions. Then there are also those who insist
that their beliefs are the One True Way and attempt to force their
belief system (which often includes intolerance of any alternative way
of life) on others - these are the ones that put my hackles up - not
out of a dislike for their beliefs but of their actions.
>
>>I disregard religion to the extent that I'm not religious

I'm firmly in the 'I don't know' camp but that doesn't exclude a sense
of spirituality or a willingness to examine a variety of belief
systems and philosophies and apply their tenets to how I try and live
my life. Back to Aristotle again 'the life unexamined is not worth
living'.

> but not to the
>>extent that I have a lack of respect for other's faith- that's just bad
>>manners IMO.
>
>Exactly.

Agreed, I think Ben you may have confused my dislike of a set of
actions for a disregard for belief.

For example I applaud the work being done to build schools in, for
example, India, but I disagree that those who then go on to use those
schools will receive a Xtian biased education that borders on
indoctrination. An aid package that includes boxes of bibles? Good or
bad?
--
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Princess of pain apparently.

Owen

On Sun, 7 Mar 2004 11:13:59 -0000, "Cane" <enac@ukrm.org> wrote:

><deadmail@burnt.org.uk> wrote in message
>news:dlkk40pcrglj2l116d6k65s85glnbeotoc@4ax.com.. .
>
>> >> >> Must be for those Christians who never actually go to church.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://www.i-church.org/
>> >> >
>> >> >Given that God only exists in simple people's heads it rather
>> >appropriate.
>> >>
>> >> I never cease to be amazed by the way people make this sort of
>> >> statement.
>> >
>> >Don't you 'people' me laddie.
>>
>> I made a follow up. I didn't 'people' you specifically, sonny.
>>
>> >> Whilst I find it hard to believe that God exists, I have no basis in
>> >> fact to prove he *doesn't* exist. I suspect he doesn't exist but I
>> >> don't know this to be a fact.
>> >
>> >I don't give it any thought at all... It's bollocks, end of story.
>>
>> You don't give it any thought at all and yet you know "it's bollocks,
>> end of story". Well, you must have given it some thought to arrive at
>> that conclusion. And anyway, you seem to post on religion on a regular
>> basis; mainly to say it's bollocks, quite evangelical really.
>
>heh, I gave it some thought years ago, realised it was a scam and have
>disregarded it ever since with no more trouble than the tooth fairy and
>monsters in the cupboard.
>
>I don't respect other peoples faith at all. In fact when someone tells me
>they're religious it dissapoints me and my estimation of them falls in the
>same way it would if they told me they thought the earth flat.
>
>> What happened, did the vicar interfere with you when you were in the
>> choir?
>
>Other way round actually.

So you have no respect for anyone elses veiw if it differs from yours?
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O
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1 Red, undergoing lightweight surgery. -----
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Numbers ... | o |
Stuff ... | ooo |
Life ... -----

Owen

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 18:39:05 +0000, Colonel Tupperware
<big.russ@tesco.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 09:43:51 +0000, deadmail@burnt.org.uk wrote:
>
>> "Cane" <enac@ukrm.org> wrote in message
>><c2brad$1qjdto$1@ID-97762.news.uni-berlin.de>:
>>
>>>"Muck" <mr.muck@vir_TEETH_gin.net> wrote in message
>>>newsan.2004.03.06.00.10.23.735663@vir_TEETH_g in.net...
>>>
>>>> Must be for those Christians who never actually go to church.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.i-church.org/
>>>
>>>Given that God only exists in simple people's heads it rather appropriate.
>>
>>I never cease to be amazed by the way people make this sort of
>>statement.
>>
>Why? To wind you up of course.
>Works every time.
>
>>Whilst I find it hard to believe that God exists, I have no basis in
>>fact to prove he *doesn't* exist. I suspect he doesn't exist but I
>>don't know this to be a fact.
>
>Go to a hilltop in a thunderstorm wearing a copper helemt and shout
>"All gods are bastards!"
>It is the only way to find out.

Heh, yeah, go on...
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O
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1 Red, undergoing lightweight surgery. -----
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Numbers ... | o |
Stuff ... | ooo |
Life ... -----

Cane

"Owen" <owen@pericles.demonXX.co.uk> wrote in message
news:csrm40h752jvst27kvqq0ioq3mg1i18k4b@4ax.com...

> >> >> >> Must be for those Christians who never actually go to church.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> http://www.i-church.org/
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Given that God only exists in simple people's heads it rather
> >> >appropriate.
> >> >>
> >> >> I never cease to be amazed by the way people make this sort of
> >> >> statement.
> >> >
> >> >Don't you 'people' me laddie.
> >>
> >> I made a follow up. I didn't 'people' you specifically, sonny.
> >>
> >> >> Whilst I find it hard to believe that God exists, I have no basis in
> >> >> fact to prove he *doesn't* exist. I suspect he doesn't exist but I
> >> >> don't know this to be a fact.
> >> >
> >> >I don't give it any thought at all... It's bollocks, end of story.
> >>
> >> You don't give it any thought at all and yet you know "it's bollocks,
> >> end of story". Well, you must have given it some thought to arrive at
> >> that conclusion. And anyway, you seem to post on religion on a regular
> >> basis; mainly to say it's bollocks, quite evangelical really.
> >
> >heh, I gave it some thought years ago, realised it was a scam and have
> >disregarded it ever since with no more trouble than the tooth fairy and
> >monsters in the cupboard.
> >
> >I don't respect other peoples faith at all. In fact when someone tells me
> >they're religious it dissapoints me and my estimation of them falls in
the
> >same way it would if they told me they thought the earth flat.
> >
> >> What happened, did the vicar interfere with you when you were in the
> >> choir?
> >
> >Other way round actually.
>
> So you have no respect for anyone elses veiw if it differs from yours?

Especially when it's primitive cobblers.

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'Hog

Cane wrote:
> "Owen" <owen@pericles.demonXX.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:csrm40h752jvst27kvqq0ioq3mg1i18k4b@4ax.com...
>
>>>>>>>> Must be for those Christians who never actually go to church.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.i-church.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Given that God only exists in simple people's heads it rather
>>>>>>> appropriate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never cease to be amazed by the way people make this sort of
>>>>>> statement.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't you 'people' me laddie.
>>>>
>>>> I made a follow up. I didn't 'people' you specifically, sonny.
>>>>
>>>>>> Whilst I find it hard to believe that God exists, I have no
>>>>>> basis in fact to prove he *doesn't* exist. I suspect he doesn't
>>>>>> exist but I don't know this to be a fact.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't give it any thought at all... It's bollocks, end of story.
>>>>
>>>> You don't give it any thought at all and yet you know "it's
>>>> bollocks, end of story". Well, you must have given it some
>>>> thought to arrive at that conclusion. And anyway, you seem to
>>>> post on religion on a regular basis; mainly to say it's bollocks,
>>>> quite evangelical really.
>>>
>>> heh, I gave it some thought years ago, realised it was a scam and
>>> have disregarded it ever since with no more trouble than the tooth
>>> fairy and monsters in the cupboard.
>>>
>>> I don't respect other peoples faith at all. In fact when someone
>>> tells me they're religious it dissapoints me and my estimation of
>>> them falls in the same way it would if they told me they thought
>>> the earth flat.
>>>
>>>> What happened, did the vicar interfere with you when you were in
>>>> the choir?
>>>
>>> Other way round actually.
>>
>> So you have no respect for anyone elses veiw if it differs from
>> yours?
>
> Especially when it's primitive cobblers.

Do some snipping eh?

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'Hog

Cane

"'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote in message
news:c2frdv$1sjc1p$1@ID-105725.news.uni-berlin.de...

> Do

...or do not.

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'Hog

Cane wrote:
> "'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote in message
> news:c2frdv$1sjc1p$1@ID-105725.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
>> Do
>
> ..or do not.

That is another question

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'Hog

Darren Robinson

"Cane" <enac@ukrm.org> burbled:

>"'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote in message
>news:c2frdv$1sjc1p$1@ID-105725.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
>> Do
>
>..or do not.

There is no try.


--
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GSF1200K3
GHPOTHUF#14, KotL two#/two#1, IbW#34, MIB#12, no points.

Whinging Courier

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Martian said:

> > Ah, now there's a guy. I believe he knows as well but has the brains and
> > logic to articulate it to simpletons.
>
> See also, brief history of time.

If I remember long enough, I'll check it out. That's a seriously cool
guy. I can't reel of any of his stuff, but whenever I've seen him on the
telly, I'm in awe.

> >>Hmmm, yes, nothing to do with mushrooms or weeds then?
> >
> >
> > Yes, plenty to do with those, and a lot more besides ;-)
> >
> > I don't regret doing it but it's left me with a lot of problems.
>
> Been there, seen it, done it, bought the T-shirts etc blah blah blah,
> not big, not clever and the damage can be slight to serious, I have two
> very close friends who have been diagnosed as suffering from
> Schizophrenia, they did everything I did and somehow I managed to escape
> relatively unscathed, I can't prove the choices we made caused the
> illness and evidence would suggest a pre-disposition is required however
> I don't think it helped matters any. Both are now on medication for
> the forseeable future.

Yeah, I was quite I'll for a while but now I've got mostly memory
problems. I went to view a flat earlier in the week and saw neon clouds
strobing across the bathroom floor. Nice!

> BTW the K+N is working a treat however I have noticed that the carb
> icing in -2 conditions is a bit worse.

I had a Scorpion can on mine as well and never had any carb probs. I did
have heaters fitted though.

--
Smile...tomorrow will be worse
CBR1000FL

Whinging Courier

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Catman said:

> > Fresh beans not pre-ground, with lots of single cream in a 1 pint mug.
> >
>
> Cream? YUK

Relax, I never got there ;-)

--
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CBR1000FL

Salad Dodger

On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 19:39:13 +0000, Darren Robinson
<darren@gsx550es.frooserve.co.uk> wrote:

>"Cane" <enac@ukrm.org> burbled:
>
>>"'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote in message
>>news:c2frdv$1sjc1p$1@ID-105725.news.uni-berlin.de...
>>
>>> Do
>>
>>..or do not.
>
>There is no try.

Foot in touch, or no downward pressure?

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pseudoplatypus

Darren Robinson wrote:
> "Cane" <enac@ukrm.org> burbled:
>
>>"'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote in message
>>news:c2frdv$1sjc1p$1@ID-105725.news.uni-berlin.de...
>>
>>> Do
>>
>>..or do not.
>
> There is no try.

I don't see how you can say that. You may *believe* that try doesn't exist,
but you can't prove that it doesn't. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of
absence. Personally, I don't think that try exists, but that's a belief - I
can't disprove try's existence. I'm sure many people have faith in the
existence of try.


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BOB#1 SBS#35 ANORAK#18 TWA#15

pseudoplatypus

Whinging Courier wrote:
> In uk.rec.motorcycles, AndrewR said:
>
>
>> > It doesn't hold my weight at all. Gravity is keeping my chair on
>> > the floor and gravity is keeping me on the chair. It's not that
>> > the chair can hold my weight but it's gravity that's preventing me
>> > from breaking it.
>>
>> How does gravity prevent you from breaking the chair? Come on, I'm
>> fascinated.
>
> Yes that was rather weakly explained, wasn't it? :-)
>
> I mean that biological materials like wood, oxygen, carbon and stuff
> all have their own way of binding together to form other objects or
> entities.
>
> If these are bound together in such a way as to make it possible to
> take the weight of me x gravity to the power of whatever, it's going
> to be in a position of..... Oh Christ, I really wish I'd paid
> attention at school now. I really know what I want to say but a lack
> education has dulled my ability to prove with any reasonable
> laudableness what I want to say :-(

So here we have a textbook example of the Weak Force of Explanation...

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mb

"pseudoplatypus" <platypus@ukrm.org> wrote in message
news:YrN2c.10956$D62.158588164@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Darren Robinson wrote:
> > "Cane" <enac@ukrm.org> burbled:
> >
> >>"'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote in message
> >>news:c2frdv$1sjc1p$1@ID-105725.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >>
> >>> Do
> >>
> >>..or do not.
> >
> > There is no try.
>
> I don't see how you can say that. You may *believe* that try doesn't
exist,
> but you can't prove that it doesn't. Absence of evidence isn't evidence
of
> absence. Personally, I don't think that try exists, but that's a
belief - I
> can't disprove try's existence. I'm sure many people have faith in the
> existence of try.

INCOMING....

--
Mike
FJ1200 (Porky Torquey)
GTS1000 (Two rear ends)

Darren Robinson

"pseudoplatypus" <platypus@ukrm.org> burbled:

>Darren Robinson wrote:
>> "Cane" <enac@ukrm.org> burbled:
>>
>>>"'Hog" <invalid@ukrm.net> wrote in message
>>>news:c2frdv$1sjc1p$1@ID-105725.news.uni-berlin.de...
>>>
>>>> Do
>>>
>>>..or do not.
>>
>> There is no try.
>
>I don't see how you can say that. You may *believe* that try doesn't exist,
>but you can't prove that it doesn't. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of
>absence. Personally, I don't think that try exists, but that's a belief - I
>can't disprove try's existence. I'm sure many people have faith in the
>existence of try.

<brain failure>


--
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GSF1200K3
GHPOTHUF#14, KotL two#/two#1, IbW#34, MIB#12, no points.