Ace

On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:35:35 +0100, "Hog" <hogSPAM@freenetCHIPS.co.uk>
wrote:

>Ace wrote:
>> On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 09:53:58 +0100, Champ <news@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 09:43:39 +0100, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What's the Glen Helen like, as a hotel?
>>>
>>> Y'know, I don't know if even *is* a functioning hotel!
>>>
>>> <googles> http://www.isleofman.com/organisations/glenhelen/
>>
>> Now that looks more like it. Sadly, they, like most of the rest of the
>> island's hotels, seem firmly rooted in the 20th century so don't have
>> online booking/availability, so I'm waiting for them to call me back.
>
>Hi Stewart
>Thanks for your enquiry. We only have availability from the 28th AUgust
>onwards and this would only be for a single room

Bugger. The date's OK, but not the single room bit.

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Oily

"Ace" wrote............

> >> What part of the above did you fail to understand?
> >
> >Homestay isn't a guest house or B&B AFAIK.
> >My understanding is someone's house or flat and they are away for the
> >duration. ICBW.

The ones I've used have always been very comfortable with the owners present
who have not imposed themselves on us at all.

>
> They may be perfectly nice, but as a persuasion technique "We can stay
> in this five star hotel with excellent restaurants in house and it's
> right in the heart of things" sounds a damn sight better than "we'll
> be staying in somone's house about which we know nothing, but I'm sure
> the bed-linen will be clean and there's probably/possibly restaurants
> withing walking, or at least driveing distance, although we'll have to
> get our own breakfasts and clean up after ourselves".

Quite understandable, She needs a holiday as well. My Mrs doesn't like bikes
at all but she also has ancestry on the Island so she does her own thing
which works out quite well. Persuasion can be awkward but once you've got
her there she'll love it.

Oily

>
> Don't you think?

The Older Gentleman

Ace <seesig@virgin.net> wrote:

> They may be perfectly nice, but as a persuasion technique "We can stay
> in this five star hotel with excellent restaurants in house and it's
> right in the heart of things" sounds a damn sight better than "we'll
> be staying in somone's house about which we know nothing, but I'm sure
> the bed-linen will be clean and there's probably/possibly restaurants
> withing walking, or at least driveing distance, although we'll have to
> get our own breakfasts and clean up after ourselves".
>
> Don't you think?

Heh. This is precisely the argument I used when you said that
self-catering was a viable option for a cheap skiing holiday, compared
with a hotel.....


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ginge <the.gingeREMOVE@THISgmail.com> wrote:

> Ace wrote:
> > Sadly, they, like most of the rest of the
> > island's hotels, seem firmly rooted in the 20th century
>
> You really don't get this island thing do you? *everything* there is
> like it got stuck in some kind of time machine.
>
>
Oh yes. It's been a couple of decades since I went, mind.


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CT

Ace wrote:
> On 3 Aug 2007 09:42:52 GMT, "CT" <me@christrollen.co.uk> wrote:

> > I think he meant islands in general. It seems to work in most
> > cases.
>
> Yes, I suppose the rest of Britain's not much better...

*badoom-tish*

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Ace

On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 10:39:29 +0100, Adie <spam@bonwick.me.uk> wrote:

>On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 09:09:39 +0200, Ace <seesig@virgin.net> wrote:
>
>>But I can't find a hotel with availability, except one in Port Erin
>>(http://www.porterinhotels.com/hotels/royal/main.shtml), which seems
>>to be miles away - if I'm going to convince Jude of this it has to be
>>somewhere nice, so I'm really not looking at cheapo B&Bs or guest
>>houses.
>
>decent hotels don't seem to exist on the Isle of Man. They do have a
>Hilton but it seems to be fully booked.
>
>Having done a search there is the Rutland Hotel in Douglas which
>doesn't seem to bad but seems horribly expensive for what it is.

Thanks, I'd seen that one. No availability. One of their sister ones,
the Claremont, has rooms from the Thursday, which may be an option, I
suppose.

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Ace

On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:57:59 +0100,
chateau.murrayTAKETHISOUT@dsl.pipex.com (The Older Gentleman) wrote:

>Ace <seesig@virgin.net> wrote:
>
>> They may be perfectly nice, but as a persuasion technique "We can stay
>> in this five star hotel with excellent restaurants in house and it's
>> right in the heart of things" sounds a damn sight better than "we'll
>> be staying in somone's house about which we know nothing, but I'm sure
>> the bed-linen will be clean and there's probably/possibly restaurants
>> withing walking, or at least driveing distance, although we'll have to
>> get our own breakfasts and clean up after ourselves".
>>
>> Don't you think?
>
>Heh. This is precisely the argument I used when you said that
>self-catering was a viable option for a cheap skiing holiday, compared
>with a hotel.....

Ah, well, you see, I don't view skiing as a holiday, and I don't go
with anyone who'd need persuading.

And anyway, I only ever said that to show you that there were cheaper
ways than you were doing it - I was trying to do you a favour!

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ginge

Hog wrote:
> ginge wrote:
> > Ace wrote:
> >> Sadly, they, like most of the rest of the
> >> island's hotels, seem firmly rooted in the 20th century
> >
> > You really don't get this island thing do you? *everything* there is
> > like it got stuck in some kind of time machine.
>
> Particularly Keith's garage
^^^^^^

ITYM CD collection.

Hog

Bear wrote:

> ATM I can't decide if riding down would be good, or instead just do
> the long ferry to northern Spain and take it from there.

Excellent idea and the added cost will filter any UKRM pikeys out of the
equation

The long haul down through central France is a bind, unless motorail does
bikes.

TBH I prefer Italy to Spain though and if we stay with PC you just *know* he
is going to float naked in his pool flashing his periwinkle at us.

<thinks>
Northern France > Switzerland > Northern Italy > Italian Riviera

Where is Wavey Davy now?

Wonder if the Frogs do one way van hire? pick up in Nice, bikes in back,
abandon in Calais.

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'03 ST4S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400

Hog

ginge wrote:
> Hog wrote:
>> ginge wrote:
>>> Ace wrote:
>>>> Sadly, they, like most of the rest of the
>>>> island's hotels, seem firmly rooted in the 20th century
>>>
>>> You really don't get this island thing do you? *everything* there
>>> is like it got stuck in some kind of time machine.
>>
>> Particularly Keith's garage
> ^^^^^^
>
> ITYM CD collection.

CD? Cross Dressers?

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'03 ST4S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400

Bear

In article <f8v0hi$1oa$1@registered.motzarella.org>, Hog says...
> Bear wrote:
>
> > ATM I can't decide if riding down would be good, or instead just do
> > the long ferry to northern Spain and take it from there.
>
> Excellent idea and the added cost will filter any UKRM pikeys out of the
> equation

heh.

Well I'll be unemployed then, but I reckon I'm due one more decent break
this year

> The long haul down through central France is a bind, unless motorail does
> bikes.
>
> TBH I prefer Italy to Spain though and if we stay with PC you just *know* he
> is going to float naked in his pool flashing his periwinkle at us.

Good point.

> <thinks>
> Northern France > Switzerland > Northern Italy > Italian Riviera

Excellent idea

Only I'd do it through France, then head east to Italy ... if we were
going mad we could loop back via the Nurburgring

> Where is Wavey Davy now?
>
> Wonder if the Frogs do one way van hire? pick up in Nice, bikes in back,
> abandon in Calais.

Wouldn't much fancy that TBH - it's only the first third of northern
France I find a pain; after that it's not so bad.

We'll have a thinking/planning session over a few beers nearer the time.
--
Bear

Des

Hog <hogSPAM@freenetchips.co.uk> wrote:

> Wonder if the Frogs do one way van hire? pick up in Nice, bikes in back,
> abandon in Calais.

Because you've always been so nice to me, I just called the Nice branch of
the car hire firm Ada [1] (+33 4.93.85.84.04). They say that you can have
a 10m3/12m3/23m3 van for three days, pick up in Nice, drop off anywhere
else in France, for a fixed fee of 1,200¤. That strikes me as outrageously
expensive, but then I'm a modest civil servant...

If someone else would be so kind as to repost this, so that Hog sees it..

D.

[1] http://www.ada.fr/
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BMW K100-LT

The Older Gentleman

Hog <hogSPAM@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> wrote:

> Wonder if the Frogs do one way van hire? pick up in Nice, bikes in back,
> abandon in Calais.

Wrong way to do it: ride down, short-out ECU or other vital ignition
components down there, Auntie Carole recovery back for the bikes,
Easyjet for the humans.

Oh, and the recovery people will take your luggage, too.


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Ace

On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:37:32 +0100, "Hog" <hogSPAM@freenetCHIPS.co.uk>
wrote:

>TBH I prefer Italy to Spain though and if we stay with PC you just *know* he
>is going to float naked in his pool flashing his periwinkle at us.
>
><thinks>
>Northern France > Switzerland > Northern Italy > Italian Riviera
>
>Where is Wavey Davy now?

He's t'other side of France, but I'm on that route and you'd be
welcome to crash. Pool should remain usable untilo October or so, at
least.

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Hog

The Older Gentleman wrote:
> Hog <hogSPAM@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Wonder if the Frogs do one way van hire? pick up in Nice, bikes in
>> back, abandon in Calais.
>
> Wrong way to do it: ride down, short-out ECU or other vital ignition
> components down there, Auntie Carole recovery back for the bikes,
> Easyjet for the humans.
>
> Oh, and the recovery people will take your luggage, too.

Two bikes together though?!!

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'03 ST4S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400

Bear

In article <4456b3pgu9voppgi281cuc3j0nmmc5mlht@4ax.com>, Ace says...
> On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:37:32 +0100, "Hog" <hogSPAM@freenetCHIPS.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >TBH I prefer Italy to Spain though and if we stay with PC you just *know* he
> >is going to float naked in his pool flashing his periwinkle at us.
> >
> ><thinks>
> >Northern France > Switzerland > Northern Italy > Italian Riviera
> >
> >Where is Wavey Davy now?
>
> He's t'other side of France, but I'm on that route and you'd be
> welcome to crash. Pool should remain usable untilo October or so, at
> least.

That's very kind of you, thanks.

Assuming you meant me too
--
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Bear

In article <f8v50u$c8k$1@registered.motzarella.org>, Hog says...
> The Older Gentleman wrote:
> > Hog <hogSPAM@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> Wonder if the Frogs do one way van hire? pick up in Nice, bikes in
> >> back, abandon in Calais.
> >
> > Wrong way to do it: ride down, short-out ECU or other vital ignition
> > components down there, Auntie Carole recovery back for the bikes,
> > Easyjet for the humans.
> >
> > Oh, and the recovery people will take your luggage, too.
>
> Two bikes together though?!!

The alternative is to bung a tow hitch onto the 911 and borrow a trailer


But if you're going to do that we might as well ride down. I quite like
the ride, apart from the first third of France.
--
Bear

Ace

On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 12:55:11 +0100, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
wrote:

>In article <4456b3pgu9voppgi281cuc3j0nmmc5mlht@4ax.com>, Ace says...
>> On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:37:32 +0100, "Hog" <hogSPAM@freenetCHIPS.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >TBH I prefer Italy to Spain though and if we stay with PC you just *know* he
>> >is going to float naked in his pool flashing his periwinkle at us.
>> >
>> ><thinks>
>> >Northern France > Switzerland > Northern Italy > Italian Riviera
>> >
>> >Where is Wavey Davy now?
>>
>> He's t'other side of France, but I'm on that route and you'd be
>> welcome to crash. Pool should remain usable untilo October or so, at
>> least.
>
>That's very kind of you, thanks.

No worries. We're about seven hours from the channel, near enough
Basel for route planning.

>Assuming you meant me too

But of course. The offer's been outstanding for at least three years
anyway. And generally anyone passing by is welcome, provided
sufficient notice of course.

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Bear

In article <lg66b39a7f2rnu00h31m3434j3j4tpuldu@4ax.com>, Ace says...
> On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 12:55:11 +0100, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <4456b3pgu9voppgi281cuc3j0nmmc5mlht@4ax.com>, Ace says...
> >> On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:37:32 +0100, "Hog" <hogSPAM@freenetCHIPS.co.uk>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >TBH I prefer Italy to Spain though and if we stay with PC you just *know* he
> >> >is going to float naked in his pool flashing his periwinkle at us.
> >> >
> >> ><thinks>
> >> >Northern France > Switzerland > Northern Italy > Italian Riviera
> >> >
> >> >Where is Wavey Davy now?
> >>
> >> He's t'other side of France, but I'm on that route and you'd be
> >> welcome to crash. Pool should remain usable untilo October or so, at
> >> least.
> >
> >That's very kind of you, thanks.
>
> No worries. We're about seven hours from the channel, near enough
> Basel for route planning.

Cool. Do-able in one hit easily then.

> >Assuming you meant me too
>
> But of course. The offer's been outstanding for at least three years
> anyway.

Well one likes to check periodically.

You've got a lock on your wine cellar, yes?
--
Bear

Mark Olson

Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:40:34 +0100, "Hog"
> <hogSPAM@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>
>
>>Ferry is £160-170 return
>
>
> Isle of Man Steam Racket still going strong then...

As a florist once remarked to me: "Do you really expect me to discount
roses on Valentine's day?".

If you think Steam Packet's rates are so excessive, why hasn't someone
already jumped into the market and made a bundle by undercutting them?

--
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OMF #7

Hog

Bear wrote:
> In article <lg66b39a7f2rnu00h31m3434j3j4tpuldu@4ax.com>, Ace says...
>> On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 12:55:11 +0100, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <4456b3pgu9voppgi281cuc3j0nmmc5mlht@4ax.com>, Ace says...
>>>> On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:37:32 +0100, "Hog"
>>>> <hogSPAM@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> TBH I prefer Italy to Spain though and if we stay with PC you
>>>>> just *know* he is going to float naked in his pool flashing his
>>>>> periwinkle at us.
>>>>>
>>>>> <thinks>
>>>>> Northern France > Switzerland > Northern Italy > Italian Riviera
>>>>>
>>>>> Where is Wavey Davy now?
>>>>
>>>> He's t'other side of France, but I'm on that route and you'd be
>>>> welcome to crash. Pool should remain usable untilo October or so,
>>>> at least.
>>>
>>> That's very kind of you, thanks.
>>
>> No worries. We're about seven hours from the channel, near enough
>> Basel for route planning.
>
> Cool. Do-able in one hit easily then.
>
>>> Assuming you meant me too
>>
>> But of course. The offer's been outstanding for at least three years
>> anyway.
>
> Well one likes to check periodically.
>
> You've got a lock on your wine cellar, yes?

We shall pick up Des and Cab at Calais then.

--
Hog
'03 ST4S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400

Champ

On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:37:32 +0100, "Hog" <hogSPAM@freenetCHIPS.co.uk>
wrote:

>> ATM I can't decide if riding down would be good, or instead just do
>> the long ferry to northern Spain and take it from there.

>The long haul down through central France is a bind

It's really not, you know. The first 1/3 or so could be considered a
bind, but once you cross the Loire the sun comes out, and a bit futher
on and the roads start to get great.
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I don't know, but I been told, you never slow down, you never get old
ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 (race)
neal at champ dot org dot uk

Champ

On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 07:18:31 -0500, Mark Olson <olsonm@tiny.invalid>
wrote:

>Austin Shackles wrote:

>>>Ferry is £160-170 return

>> Isle of Man Steam Racket still going strong then...
>
>As a florist once remarked to me: "Do you really expect me to discount
>roses on Valentine's day?".
>
>If you think Steam Packet's rates are so excessive, why hasn't someone
>already jumped into the market and made a bundle by undercutting them?

Well *exactly*!

But Shackles is a well known skinflint :-)
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Champ
I don't know, but I been told, you never slow down, you never get old
ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 (race)
neal at champ dot org dot uk

Bear

In article <f8v71q$hjf$1@registered.motzarella.org>, Hog says...
> Bear wrote:
> > In article <lg66b39a7f2rnu00h31m3434j3j4tpuldu@4ax.com>, Ace says...
> >> On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 12:55:11 +0100, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article <4456b3pgu9voppgi281cuc3j0nmmc5mlht@4ax.com>, Ace says...
> >>>> On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:37:32 +0100, "Hog"
> >>>> <hogSPAM@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> TBH I prefer Italy to Spain though and if we stay with PC you
> >>>>> just *know* he is going to float naked in his pool flashing his
> >>>>> periwinkle at us.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <thinks>
> >>>>> Northern France > Switzerland > Northern Italy > Italian Riviera
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Where is Wavey Davy now?
> >>>>
> >>>> He's t'other side of France, but I'm on that route and you'd be
> >>>> welcome to crash. Pool should remain usable untilo October or so,
> >>>> at least.
> >>>
> >>> That's very kind of you, thanks.
> >>
> >> No worries. We're about seven hours from the channel, near enough
> >> Basel for route planning.
> >
> > Cool. Do-able in one hit easily then.
> >
> >>> Assuming you meant me too
> >>
> >> But of course. The offer's been outstanding for at least three years
> >> anyway.
> >
> > Well one likes to check periodically.
> >
> > You've got a lock on your wine cellar, yes?
>
> We shall pick up Des and Cab at Calais then.

*snort*
--
Bear

Simian

Champ wrote:

> > > Ferry is £160-170 return
> >
> > Isle of Man Steam Racket still going strong then...
>
> It's a 70 mile crossing. Find me another route of that distance which
> is cheaper.

It costs 38 euro to get a car from Naples to Palermo by ferry (and the
same back), which is a 10 hour boat ride. Even the rip-off tourist
prices charged by holiday companies were around 50 euro each way.

Plus you can get half decent Italian food & wine in the restaurant.

--
"I dunno, I never met the chick."

Hog

Champ wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 07:18:31 -0500, Mark Olson <olsonm@tiny.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>>>> Ferry is £160-170 return
>
>>> Isle of Man Steam Racket still going strong then...
>>
>> As a florist once remarked to me: "Do you really expect me to
>> discount roses on Valentine's day?".
>>
>> If you think Steam Packet's rates are so excessive, why hasn't
>> someone already jumped into the market and made a bundle by
>> undercutting them?
>
> Well *exactly*!
>
> But Shackles is a well known skinflint :-)

Because the IOM wouldn't give them harbour space.
Lots of people do small boat trips, but without motorbikes.

Bit of beach and a big hovercraft though, could make a killing ;o)

--
Hog
'03 ST4S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400

Hog

Champ wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:37:32 +0100, "Hog" <hogSPAM@freenetCHIPS.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>> ATM I can't decide if riding down would be good, or instead just do
>>> the long ferry to northern Spain and take it from there.
>
>> The long haul down through central France is a bind
>
> It's really not, you know. The first 1/3 or so could be considered a
> bind, but once you cross the Loire the sun comes out, and a bit futher
> on and the roads start to get great.

Well yes OK I suppose that's what I was thinking of. Trying to do it in a
day means I'm getting tired by then though.

--
Hog
'03 ST4S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400

Bear

In article <f8v8oq$ler$1@registered.motzarella.org>, Hog says...
> Champ wrote:
> > On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:37:32 +0100, "Hog" <hogSPAM@freenetCHIPS.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>> ATM I can't decide if riding down would be good, or instead just do
> >>> the long ferry to northern Spain and take it from there.
> >
> >> The long haul down through central France is a bind
> >
> > It's really not, you know. The first 1/3 or so could be considered a
> > bind, but once you cross the Loire the sun comes out, and a bit futher
> > on and the roads start to get great.
>
> Well yes OK I suppose that's what I was thinking of. Trying to do it in a
> day means I'm getting tired by then though.

The thing to do is a) start from nearer the crossing, like my place, b)
use the chunnel, it's shedloads faster in terms of booking time,
boarding, disembarking, etc, then press on from there.
--
Bear

Ace

On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 13:13:06 +0100, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
wrote:

>In article <lg66b39a7f2rnu00h31m3434j3j4tpuldu@4ax.com>, Ace says...

>> >> He's t'other side of France, but I'm on that route and you'd be
>> >> welcome to crash. Pool should remain usable untilo October or so, at
>> >> least.
>> >
>> >That's very kind of you, thanks.

>> >Assuming you meant me too
>>
>> But of course. The offer's been outstanding for at least three years
>> anyway.
>
>Well one likes to check periodically.
>
>You've got a lock on your wine cellar, yes?

As it happens, there is one. And a steel door too. Never normally
closed; my main security is having all the good stuff at the far end,
with the most accessible ones down in the 3-5 euro/bottle range. Are
you a fan of Rhone and Burgundy styles?

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Bear

In article <e0d6b3h33ijqou15d8dpf2cuv8if3sjoj4@4ax.com>, Ace says...
> On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 13:13:06 +0100, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <lg66b39a7f2rnu00h31m3434j3j4tpuldu@4ax.com>, Ace says...
>
> >> >> He's t'other side of France, but I'm on that route and you'd be
> >> >> welcome to crash. Pool should remain usable untilo October or so, at
> >> >> least.
> >> >
> >> >That's very kind of you, thanks.
>
> >> >Assuming you meant me too
> >>
> >> But of course. The offer's been outstanding for at least three years
> >> anyway.
> >
> >Well one likes to check periodically.
> >
> >You've got a lock on your wine cellar, yes?
>
> As it happens, there is one. And a steel door too. Never normally
> closed; my main security is having all the good stuff at the far end,
> with the most accessible ones down in the 3-5 euro/bottle range. Are
> you a fan of Rhone and Burgundy styles?

Not especially, but I *am* a fan of "other people's wine" styles
--
Bear

Ace

On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:08:57 +0100, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
wrote:

>In article <e0d6b3h33ijqou15d8dpf2cuv8if3sjoj4@4ax.com>, Ace says...
>> On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 13:13:06 +0100, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
>> wrote:

>> >You've got a lock on your wine cellar, yes?
>>
>> As it happens, there is one. And a steel door too. Never normally
>> closed; my main security is having all the good stuff at the far end,
>> with the most accessible ones down in the 3-5 euro/bottle range. Are
>> you a fan of Rhone and Burgundy styles?
>
>Not especially, but I *am* a fan of "other people's wine" styles

<buys in stock of eu 1.50 bottles of red plonk>
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Hog

Bear wrote:
> In article <e0d6b3h33ijqou15d8dpf2cuv8if3sjoj4@4ax.com>, Ace says...
>> On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 13:13:06 +0100, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <lg66b39a7f2rnu00h31m3434j3j4tpuldu@4ax.com>, Ace says...
>>
>>>>>> He's t'other side of France, but I'm on that route and you'd be
>>>>>> welcome to crash. Pool should remain usable untilo October or
>>>>>> so, at least.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's very kind of you, thanks.
>>
>>>>> Assuming you meant me too
>>>>
>>>> But of course. The offer's been outstanding for at least three
>>>> years anyway.
>>>
>>> Well one likes to check periodically.
>>>
>>> You've got a lock on your wine cellar, yes?
>>
>> As it happens, there is one. And a steel door too. Never normally
>> closed; my main security is having all the good stuff at the far end,
>> with the most accessible ones down in the 3-5 euro/bottle range. Are
>> you a fan of Rhone and Burgundy styles?
>
> Not especially, but I *am* a fan of "other people's wine" styles

Shhhhhhhhh don't startle him....

Although TBF that neither of us is exactly TT wouldn't require GCHQ to
discern

--
Hog
'03 ST4S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400

Champ

On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 14:08:20 +0100, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
wrote:

>In article <f8v8oq$ler$1@registered.motzarella.org>, Hog says...
>> Champ wrote:
>> > On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:37:32 +0100, "Hog" <hogSPAM@freenetCHIPS.co.uk>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>> ATM I can't decide if riding down would be good, or instead just do
>> >>> the long ferry to northern Spain and take it from there.
>> >
>> >> The long haul down through central France is a bind
>> >
>> > It's really not, you know. The first 1/3 or so could be considered a
>> > bind, but once you cross the Loire the sun comes out, and a bit futher
>> > on and the roads start to get great.
>>
>> Well yes OK I suppose that's what I was thinking of. Trying to do it in a
>> day means I'm getting tired by then though.
>
>The thing to do is a) start from nearer the crossing, like my place, b)
>use the chunnel, it's shedloads faster in terms of booking time,
>boarding, disembarking, etc, then press on from there.

That's one way.

For those of us living in the Western Civilised Zones, the thing to do
is to get an overnight ferry from Portsmouth to Cherbourg/Le
Havre/Caen/St Malo. That way you start 100+ miles further south than
Dover, roll off the boat about 7am, and have done another 100 miles
before you stop for breakfast.
--
Champ
I don't know, but I been told, you never slow down, you never get old
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Champ

On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 12:47:47 -0000, "Simian"
<simian@in_valid.semi-evolved.org> wrote:

>Champ wrote:
>
>> > > Ferry is £160-170 return
>> >
>> > Isle of Man Steam Racket still going strong then...
>>
>> It's a 70 mile crossing. Find me another route of that distance which
>> is cheaper.<