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Re: What is poetry, redefined
in article 1182445809.300373.4800@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.co m, Will Dockery
at will.dockery@gmail.com wrote on 6/21/07 1:10 PM: > I'll save my comments on hip hop/rap/et cetera for the thread I see > has manifested here, except to say Bob Dylan invented it back around > 1965... no, not invented, but laid some heavy foundations for it: > > http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/subterranean.html > > Subterranean Homesick Blues Those "heavy foundations" would have to belong to Pretty Purdie and Jerry Jemmott. |
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Re: What is poetry, redefined
On Jun 21, 1:58 pm, Stuart Leichter wrote:
>Will Dockery wrote on 6/21/07 1:10 PM: > > > I'll save my comments on hip hop/rap/et cetera for the thread I see > > has manifested here, except to say Bob Dylan invented it back around > > 1965... no, not invented, but laid some heavy foundations for it: > > >http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/subterranean.html > > > Subterranean Homesick Blues > > Those "heavy foundations" would have to belong to Pretty Purdie and Jerry > Jemmott. I thought you might say Woody Guthrie: "...The concept of talking to a musical background started centuries before recorded music. It was a familiar sound in country and blues recordings of the 1920s. Woody Guthrie loved the "talking blues," and the style flourished through R&B novelty hits from "Open the Door, Richard" (1947) to Shirley Ellis' "The Name Game" (1965). A few years later, jazz artists like Gil Scott- Heron and the Last Poets began using the style to deliver dead-serious messages..." -Kevin Jackson -- "Ozone Stigmata" by Will Dockery-Henry Conley (video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxfl_7KvFcc "The Ride (Combat Zone)" by Will Dockery-Dennis Beck: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxfl_7KvFcc |
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Re: What is poetry, redefined
in article 1182451066.281511.149190@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.c om, Will
Dockery at will.dockery@gmail.com wrote on 6/21/07 2:37 PM: > On Jun 21, 1:58 pm, Stuart Leichter wrote: >> Will Dockery wrote on 6/21/07 1:10 PM: >> >>> I'll save my comments on hip hop/rap/et cetera for the thread I see >>> has manifested here, except to say Bob Dylan invented it back around >>> 1965... no, not invented, but laid some heavy foundations for it: >> >>> http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/subterranean.html >> >>> Subterranean Homesick Blues >> >> Those "heavy foundations" would have to belong to Pretty Purdie and Jerry >> Jemmott. > > I thought you might say Woody Guthrie: > > "...The concept of talking to a musical background started centuries before > recorded music. It was a familiar sound in country and blues recordings of the > 1920s. Woody Guthrie loved the "talking blues," and the style flourished > through R&B novelty hits from "Open the Door, Richard" (1947) to Shirley > Ellis' "The Name Game" (1965). A few years later, jazz artists like Gil Scott- > Heron and the Last Poets began using the style to deliver dead-serious > messages..." -Kevin Jackson > "Forms and rhythms in music are never changed without producing changes in the most important political forms and ways...the new style quickly insinuates itself into manners and customs and from there it issues a greater force and goes on to attack laws and constitutions, displaying the upmost impudence, until it ends by overthrowing everything, both in public or private" -- Plato, The Republic (that looks like the I.A. Richards translation, which I swiped from a MySpace blurb, which was also quoted without attribution by Ralph Gleason in The Drama Review [Summer, 1969], published as 'The Greater Sound'). It's hard to pinpoint the moment, but my ear thinks it was Dylan's funky syncopation of Don't Think Twice, It's All Right (1962-63), which probably came out of the insinuations of Elvin Jones and McCoy Tyner a few months earlier (My Favorite Things and Afro-Blue) down in the Village. Pretty Purdie's boogaloo was only a few short beats away (best known on Mongo's Cold Sweat). |
