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HOWEDY granville,

granvi...@indigo.ie (Granville) wrote in
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>I am in a spin.

Well, permit The Puppy Wizzzard to turn you INSIDE OUT.

That'll improve the spin... so you can kill your dog
in good conscience, just like you been HURTIN IT in good
consicience, cause that's the NATURE of a lying dog abusing
Punk Thug Coward who'd HURT their dog and then KILL IT, to
be FAIR.

>We have two golden retrievers.

Yeah. That won't last long, HOWEver.

> They are sisters

They WAS. WON IS ABOUT TO GET DEAD NOW.

> and just over a year old.

Yeah. The Puppy Wizzzard's been EXXXPECTING you.

WELCOME TO WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method School Of HARD
KNOCKS.

> As you would expect

You're about to KILL your dog, as PREDICTED.

> they are real softies.

Yeah. That's HOWE COME you'd HURT them. You wouldn't
have the balls to hurt a dog like The Puppy Wizzzard's
dogs, cause they'd mop the goddamned floors with you
for HURTIN them...

> No aggression,

Of course not. That's on account of they fear you,
cause you hurt them.

> you can take a bone away,

Cause you'll HURT them if they don't give it up...

> their dinner away and no problem...just a sad face.

Yeah... Just sad.

> I had both of them on a lead, was leaning against a
> wall and watching a game.

The Puppy Wizzzard don't PLAY games. You HURT your dogs,
that's HOWE COME they've now turned AGGRESSIVE:

From: Granville (granvi...@indigo.ie)
Subject: Re: e-fencing question
Date: 2003-01-29 05:26:47 PST

I have found the secret is for the dog to associates
something different and new with crossing the barrier.

I put on the lead, leave on the collar,
turn the system off and walk the dog across.

Ok so the first time the resist, but they soon learn
that it's ok to cross over with their leash attached.

It gives them "permission" to cross with you and the leash.

I don't take the collar off, because I use a training
collar as well. I don't want the dog becoming "collar
smart" and only obey if they have the collar on."

The "training" collar being your PRONGED SPIKED
PINCH CHOKE collar...

> They were both sitting, quietly beside me.

Yeah.. just relaxin.

> Along comes a 3 year old child and pets the dogs, wagging
> tales , licks to face etc. She was stroking them for about
> 5 mins. I had my back turned and then.......

Then the dog looked around and seen the fences... and the
kids.

> The larger one (30kg) went for the child.

Yeah.. surprise, surprise, surprise...

> Bit her on the forehead, drew blood.

Good for you!

> This was not a quick nip, but about 3
> seconds of sustained biting/attacking

The sight of the fence nearby the kids provoked
memories of every shock your poor dog has taken
from your shock fence.

> and needed me to pull the dog away.


Yeah. He went really NUTS cause YOU HURT HIM.


> The smaller dog (20kg) continued sitting and was not
> invloved at all.


He'll probably do the same thing, he's just learnin HOWE.


> Thankfully the child was fine.


That so? You think it's fine to get your head bit by
a dog at the park on lead?


> Nothing that a plaster and some TLC won't heal.


Yeah... a stroke of LUCK... hunh? You mighta got sued
BIG TIME had the dog ripped the kid's face off, like he
wanted to do for the kid, cause YOU HURT HIM.


> There was no provocation that I could see...


Of curse not!!! You'll NEVER SEE the TRUTH, cause
that's SCAREY, and THAT would MAKE YOU SAD. You're
EMBARRASSED lookin at your own HUMAN NATURE.


> not that that would excuse it.


We don't need EXXXCUSES for HURTIN HOWER dogs.


> I heard no whimper of say a finger poked in the dogs eye
> etc.


The child didn't HURT the dog. YOU DID. You BEEN HURTING IT
since day WON.


> I think the dog got a fright as much as the
> child...the dog peed everywhere.


The dog was frightened of YOU.


> I don't know what to do.


The Puppy Wizzzard does. The Puppy Wizzzard sez
only THUGS PUNKS and COWARDS HURT DOGS, and then
they KILL THEM, TO BE FAIR.


> Is this a fault in her?.


YOU HURT YOUR DOG TO "TRAIN" IT.

Now you wantPERMISSION to KILL IT.


You got The Puppy Wizzzard's PERMISSION to
KILL your dog... so long as you EXXXPLAIN
to your KIDS, HOWE COME YOU GOT TO KILL YOUR
DOG, CAUSE YOU HURT IT, and MADE IT FEAR CHILDREN.



> Can I trusther with my 7 year old child?.


Can society TRUST YOU with a child. The Puppy
Wizzzard sez NO. You're a liar and an abuser.


>I can't rationalise this behaviour.


Of curse you can... you have since the git go,
since day WON...


> She's doesn't appear to be sick,


It's YOU who is SICK.


> She lets my 7 year old roll and tumble with her all the
> time.


Cause she knows you'll HURT HER if she plays rough... like
the food and bone and pullin on leash. It's all the same
same same same...


>I have nieces and nephews that could now be at risk when they
>come over.


NOT IF YOU HURT THE DOG ENOUGH. She's SAFE, so long as
YOU HURT HER IN ADVANCE.


>So I need some words of wisdom


You're the bum who's been tellin US to HURT HOWER dogs.


>to help our family understand what we may be facing,


You're facing your own human nature, SUCKER.


> what we should do now


What you SHOULD do has NEVER been a question for
you. You've done what your HUMAN NATURE DICTATES:
HURT less capable beings, and LIE to DEFEND YOURSELF.


> and into the future


You'll KILL this dog, and in a few months when his
littermate turns on the family or a neighbor's kid,
you'll KILL IT, too...

And when your kids grow up and end up in jail or nutHOWESES,
you'll blame THEM for not listening to you when you was
SETTING THE EXXXAMPLE of HUMAN DECENCY.



> and how we should think about this incident.


The Puppy Wizzzard doesn't pander to lying dog abusing Punk
Coward Thugs who're fixin to KILL their dogs cause THEY HURT
THEM:


>Thanks


THANK YOU!!!

The Puppy Wizzzard NEEDS YOUR CASE HISTORY:


From: Granville (granvi...@indigo.ie)
Subject: It's not like that.....
Date: 2003-01-30 10:49:38 PST


I must disagree....none of what is contained in the
article resonates with me nor have I seen it with
the other 7 people I know who have an electric
fence.


The dogs restrained include Retrievers, Spaniels,
Wheaten Terriers, Labs.


I accept that there is a theoretical risk if you
have a highly strung or more bullheaded animal.


However I have seen such animals going beserk
behind fences and trying to dig under them and
gnawing at them.


In my view the animal has been out of control through
their dislike of any restraint. The problem is primarily
with the animal not the method of keeping them restrained.


However in this case it's a moot point...given we are
talking about a balanced animal.


I have two labs...and there has never been an issue of
agression nor their natural protective instincts being
heightened by the EF.


Strays get seen off and the dogs stop at the boundary
and bark .....at worst.


The notion that a stray getting into the fenced off
area and affectively having your dog captive within
the area is true, however I have never seen it.


Probably because dogs tend to protect their space,
and strays get the signals that they are not wanted.


But hey just for fun lets speculate for a while.....


Imagine your dog is pefect and sits in the yard...you
have no EF nor perimeter fence...In strolls another dog
into the yard.


What happens...if your dog sees them off, or plays..no
issue If your dog is fearful and cowers and stays in situ....
well thats just the dogs personality....no issue


Why would you put an EF down in this instance?.....
Strikes me as there is no need.


What happens if your dog bolts and/or chases rather
than stays in situ. Well unless you want to give total
freedom to run wherever they fancy, you either have him
permanently chained up, you put up a yard fence or you
lay down an EF.


In my view the best and most cost effective option


in keeping an even tempered and placid dog humanely
contained throughout the day is the EF.


In the two years I have had an EF I have could count
the amount of corrrections on two hands.


They learn really quickly.


By the way the installation is really easy..took me a
half day to do a yard...150 feet X 100 feet.

SheWolf

granvi...@indigo.ie (Granville) wrote in
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> Thankfully the child was fine.

I'm glad the child is all right.

> Nothing that a plaster and some TLC won't heal.
> There was no provocation that I could see...

Could be the dog had a tender spot, and the poor kid just found it. Maybe
she grabbed an ear? Sometimes it doesn't take much to irritate. Also, dogs
do not like people to be in their face. Could be the child leaned too close,
to hug your poock or whatnot. Or your dog got a wild hair.

> not that that would excuse it.
> I heard no whimper of say a finger poked in the dogs eye
> etc.
> I think the dog got a fright as much as the
> child...the dog peed everywhere.
> I don't know what to do.
> Is this a fault in her?.
> Can I trusther with my 7 year old child?.

Personally, I don't trust any dog. It is an animal, after all. Adult
supervision is the key. Just keep a very close eye on her for a few months,
make sure she shows no other aggressive behaviors.

>I can't rationalise this behaviour.
> She's doesn't appear to be sick,
> She lets my 7 year old roll and tumble with her all the
> time.
>I have nieces and nephews that could now be at risk when they
>come over.

Just keep a very close eye on kids and dogs

>So I need some words of wisdom
>to help our family understand what we may be facing,
> what we should do now
> and into the future
> and how we should think about this incident.
>Thanks

I'd be concerned. Take her to the vet to rule out any possible asymptomatic
illness, keep a very close eye on her, I really wouldn't let her run loose
( assuming you live in an area where it is possible to let the dog run)
outside.

But take all this as opinion. I'm not an expert, YMMV :P

SheWolf

YourConscience

HOWEDY shewolf,

"SheWolf" <shewolf@NOSPAMyadtel.net> wrote in message
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> granvi...@indigo.ie (Granville) wrote in
> <vI62a.8882$V6.11...@news.indi*go.ie>:
>
> > Thankfully the child was fine.

No, the child was attacked on her head by a
dog as big as she was. The child is SUFFERIN
from POST TRAUMATIC STRESS and will ALWAYS
FEAR DOGS.

> I'm glad the child is all right.

No, the child AIN'T all right.

> > Nothing that a plaster and some TLC won't heal.
> > There was no provocation that I could see...

EXXXCEPT THIS:

From: Granville (granvi...@indigo.ie)
Subject: Re: e-fencing question
Date: 2003-01-29 05:26:47 PST

I have found the secret is for the dog to associates
something different and new with crossing the barrier.

I put on the lead, leave on the collar,
turn the system off and walk the dog across.

Ok so the first time the resist, but they soon learn
that it's ok to cross over with their leash attached.

It gives them "permission" to cross with you and the leash.

I don't take the collar off, because I use a training
collar as well. I don't want the dog becoming "collar
smart" and only obey if they have the collar on."

The "training" collar being your PRONGED SPIKED
PINCH CHOKE collar...

> Could be the dog had a tender spot,

YEAH... FROM GETTIN JERKED AND CHOKED on
pronged spiked pinch choke collars and SHOCKED.

> and the poor kid just found it.

The POOR KID was standin NEXT TO A FENCE
the dog ASSOCIATED with his own SHOCK FENCE
at his HOWES... the WON granville was TRAININ
the dog to stay behind in her post of Jan 29 2003
which ACCIDENTALLY LED to THIS on Feb 11 2003:

"I can' t believe my retriever did this I am in a spin.
We have two golden retrievers. They are sisters
and just over a year old. As you would expect they
are real softies. ...

> Maybe she grabbed an ear?

The dog REFLEXED to his MEMORY of GETTIN
HURT for being NEAR A FENCE just like the WON
at the park...

> Sometimes it doesn't take much to irritate.

It's called REFELXIVE or "SUPERSTITIHOWES" behavior.

> Also, dogs do not like people to be in their face.

That so?

> Could be the child leaned too close,

Yeah, could be the child was too close to the
dog when IT ATTACKED HER on accHOWENT
of she FEARED GETTIN HURT someMOORE.

> to hug your poock or whatnot.

Typical dangerHOWES behavior, no DHOWET.

> Or your dog got a wild hair.

Yeah. The dog WENT INSANE on accHOWENT
of her ABUSER WOULDN'T STOP HURTIN HER.

> > not that that would excuse it.

Well, we'll just EXXXCUSE the DOG ABUSER and
MURDER THE DOG TO BE FAIR.

> > I heard no whimper of say a finger poked in the dogs eye etc.

She didn't NOTICE her dog WHIMPER when she
was CHOKIN and SHOCKING IT, shewolf...

> > I think the dog got a fright as much as the
> > child...the dog peed everywhere.

THAT'S THE PREDICTABLE RESULT OF SHOCKING
and CHOKING YOUR DOGS, dog lovers...

> > I don't know what to do.

IT'S TIME TO MURDER THE DANGERHOWES DOG.

> > Is this a fault in her?.

INDEEDY...

> > Can I trusther with my 7 year old child?.

NOPE. It's time to MURDER the dog for not bein able
to TOLERATE PAIN FEAR FORCE and INTIMIDATION.

> Personally, I don't trust any dog.

You're a dog abusing coward and active mental case.

> It is an animal, after all.

You're a dog abuser.

> Adult supervision is the key.

INDEEDY. THAT'S HOWE COME THE DOG FEARS CHILDREN.

> Just keep a very close eye on her for a few months,

She's been HURTING her dog, shewolf. THAT'S HOWE
COME the dog ATTACKED and INNOCENT CHILD.

> make sure she shows no other aggressive behaviors.

You mean HURT HER if she's AGGRESSIVE.

> > I can't rationalise this behaviour.

SHORE SHE CAN:

From: Granville (granvi...@indigo.ie)
Subject: Re: e-fencing question
Date: 2003-01-29 05:26:47 PST

> > She's doesn't appear to be sick,

The DOG ABUSER is SICK. The DOG IS NORMAL.

> > She lets my 7 year old roll and tumble with her all the time.

Or she'll GET HURT someMOORE.

> > I have nieces and nephews that could now be at
> > risk when they come over.

WE MURDER DOGS LIKE HER...

> Just keep a very close eye on kids and dogs

You mean DO MOORE of the SAME, shewolf?

> >So I need some words of wisdom

>From DOG ABUSERS LIARS COWARDS and
ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE ACUTE
MENTAL CASES like yourself, shewolf?

> > to help our family understand what we may be facing,

What the FAMILY is FACING is MENTAL HEELTH CARE
for a VERY LONG TIME on accHOWENT of your psychologists
don't know HOWE to STOP FAMILY ABUSE.

> > what we should do now and into the future

STOP ABUSING your dogs and children.

> > and how we should think about this incident.

You should go to JAIL for what you've done.

> >Thanks
>
> I'd be concerned.

You're a dog abuser and coward, shewolf.
If you DENY it, you're a LIAR and if you
DENY THAT, you're a MENTAL CASE on
accHOWENT of your own posted case
history IDENTIFIES EXXXPOSES and
DISCREDITS YOU as a DOG AUBSER
and COWARD.

> Take her to the vet to rule out any possible
> asymptomatic illness,

The dog is SUFFERING from POST TRAUMATIC
STRESS DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's
SYNDROME <{) ; ~ ) >

> keep a very close eye on her,

BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!!

> I really wouldn't let her run loose

She's got a nice SHOCK FENCE for them, shewolf.

> ( assuming you live in an area where it is
> possible to let the dog run) outside.

PERHAPS you should READ granville's posted
case history and you'll SEE we got a DOG ABUSER
who HURT and INTIMIDATED her dog till IT WENT
INSANE, JUST LIKE YOURSELF, another VICTIM
of family abuse, shewolf.

OTHERWIZE, you'd NEVER be posting to The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's HUMAN BEHAVIOR
RESEARCH LABORATORIES <{) ; ~ ) >

> But take all this as opinion.

You're a MENTAL CASE, shewolf.

> I'm not an expert, YMMV :P

The Amazing Puppy Wizard sez you're nuthin
but a RESEARCH SUBJECT, shewolf.

> SheWolf


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captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK"
Makes A ResoundingSound Distraction: "When
You Chuck The Dog The Sound Will Travel Up
The Mandible To The Ears And Give A Popping
Sound To The Dog."

THAT'S HOWE COME THEY CAN'T CON-TROLL
THEIR DOGS withHOWET HURTIN 'M someMOORE.
Would you EXXXPECT your dog to naturally
want to do anything you ask if you're
chokin and shocking witholding bribes and
locking IT in a box and sprayin aversives
into his eyes <{) : ~ ( >

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