"The Turd"

"BethF" <b...@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com> wrote in message
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> "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatri...@adelphia.net>
wrote in message
>
> Kyle, FWIW, i thought it was pretty funny,
> and i often call my little dog the turd, because
> he is one. Some folks think its HORRRIBLE i
> would insult my dog like that so i guess its just a
> matter of personality.

> Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away is to
> step on him once. Seriously.

"Beth F" <d...@spamthis.alaska.com> wrote in message:

"Whatever motivates the dog, but I daresay most of the dogs
I have in classes just aren't that interested in praise."

"Hold Back The Dobie Girl So That Izzy Can
Put Simon In His Place." BINACA bethFIST

"BethF" <d...@alaska.com> wrote in message
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> "Frank" <flmarc...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> > dfrntdr...@aol.comMURK-OFF (Leah) wrote in message
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> > > >"brianev" bria...@attbi.com wrote:

> > > > I ENJOYED reading your book, and
> > > > AGREED with what you had to say.

> > > > I find it sick to hear what people
> > > > do with their dogs.

> > > Keep in mind that everything he says that
> > > the regular posters of this ng do to their
> > > dogs are lies.

> > > All of it. Every last bit.

> > All of it?
:
> > Ear pinching?
:
> > Shock collars?
:
> > Spiked chokers?
:
> > The regulars lie more in their denials than
> > Howe does in his accusing of them.
:
> Uh, Frank? Who do you see denying anything?
> Its quite interesting that a newbie like yourself
> would see denials when everyone has Jerry
> killfiled and therefore don't even read his posts,
> let alone respond to them.

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From: Beth F (d...@spamthis.alaska.com)
Subject: Re: citronella collar and ultrasonic trainer
Date: 2002-02-07 11:23:31 PST

On Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:23:59 GMT, "Lane Browning"
<rainm...@att.net>
wrote:

> I agree about the whining, my dog isn't aware
> he is doing it either...it's like a seizure when
> he goes nuts, I can't even make eye contact
> with him, he's on some other planet. NOTHING
> reaches him. no, not a Samoyed. actually a breed
>I researched very carefully....sigh.

I totally understand. And the samoyed thing was a
bit of a joke - Kavik is a samoyed. I sympathize with
you - i received a great deal of hostility for not getting
my dogs barking and whining under control at the dog
club - apparently, I wasn't trying hard enough.

I was given many different techniques to try from
treating when quiet, from teaching bark-nobark
and treating, from aversives (binaca and tobasco)
and NOTHING worked.

Well, actually the binaca worked but after i
got him in the eye it was not a possibility to
be using that.

Even yesterday Kavik and Toklat and I went
for a four mile walk. IT took about an hour.
In that hour Kavik barked basically the entire
time.

Not AT anything, not because he was
insecure, unhappy or any of the other
reasons folks here are going to tell me
that dogs bark - he barked for sheer joy.

BARK BARK BARK, I AM WALKING YAY BARK.

I actually timed the amount of time he wasn't
barking and it was a total of 7 minutes in 58
minutes. And because its outdoors, and in a
place where folks aren't sleeping, I don't worry
about it -its a good outlet for his bark drive.

I also don't correct him when we are skiing - but
if we go fast enough, the barking stops!!

In any case, for places where its really inappropriate
for him to bark - in the car when i am not present, or
in the dog club in his crate when i am teaching, he
wears a citronella collar.

He understands that when he is wearing it, he shouldn't
bark, at this point. He doesnt' even test it anymore. And
I have been able to leave the collar off most of the time
lately - he has learned that he shouldn't bark when left
alone in the car at people or while in the crate.

I believe both of these are "boredom barks" - barks to
entertain onesself. However, if i am very lax about the
collar and he doesnt' wear it for several weeks while in
these situations the training wears off - so basically
i do it randomly - once in awhile he wears the collar as
a reminder.

Quite frankly, I much preferred this method of training
to MY applying the aversive - i am not the bad guy and
he is completely in control of the correction.

Clearly he understands what causes the correction.

And I am not counting on my own powers of timing
and accuracy to create the correction.
--
--BethF, Anchorage, AK

Dogs bark cause they're anxiHOWES AFRAID
and INSECURE from being locked in boxes and
jerked and choked on pronged spiked pinch choke
collars and shocked and stepped on and sprayed
in the face with aversives, not cause they're being
little TURDS and HAVIN FUN.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard sez you can't post
here abHOWETS noMOORE cause you're a dog
abuser and a mental case, BINACA bethFIST.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

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YourWorstFreakinNightmare@InBox.Com	"The Turd" "BethF" <b...@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com> wrote in message news:v4r8kkfr257e1a@corp.supernews.com... > "Kyle Boatright" <kyle.boatri...@adelphia.net> wrote in message > > Kyle, FWIW, i thought it was pretty funny, > and i often call my little dog the turd, because > he is one. Some folks think its HORRRIBLE i > would insult my dog like that so i guess its just a > matter of personality. > Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away is to > step on him once. Seriously. "Beth F" <d...@spamthis.alaska.com> wrote in message: "Whatever motivates the dog, but I daresay most of the dogs I have in classes just aren't that interested in praise." "Hold Back The Dobie Girl So That Izzy Can Put Simon In His Place." BINACA bethFIST "BethF" <d...@alaska.com> wrote in message news:ugc7us32ki5fb9@corp.supernews.com... > "Frank" <flmarc...@netscape.net> wrote in message > news:d2f1624e.0206101912.2980eb03@posting.google.c om... > > dfrntdr...@aol.comMURK-OFF (Leah) wrote in message <news:20020610173326.01953.00000597@mb-fx.aol.com>... > > > >"brianev" bria...@attbi.com wrote: > > > > I ENJOYED reading your book, and > > > > AGREED with what you had to say. > > > > I find it sick to hear what people > > > > do with their dogs. > > > Keep in mind that everything he says that > > > the regular posters of this ng do to their > > > dogs are lies. > > > All of it. Every last bit. > > All of it? : > > Ear pinching? : > > Shock collars? : > > Spiked chokers? : > > The regulars lie more in their denials than > > Howe does in his accusing of them. : > Uh, Frank? Who do you see denying anything? > Its quite interesting that a newbie like yourself > would see denials when everyone has Jerry > killfiled and therefore don't even read his posts, > let alone respond to them. ===================== From: Beth F (d...@spamthis.alaska.com) Subject: Re: citronella collar and ultrasonic trainer Date: 2002-02-07 11:23:31 PST On Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:23:59 GMT, "Lane Browning" <rainm...@att.net> wrote: > I agree about the whining, my dog isn't aware > he is doing it either...it's like a seizure when > he goes nuts, I can't even make eye contact > with him, he's on some other planet. NOTHING > reaches him. no, not a Samoyed. actually a breed >I researched very carefully....sigh. I totally understand. And the samoyed thing was a bit of a joke - Kavik is a samoyed. I sympathize with you - i received a great deal of hostility for not getting my dogs barking and whining under control at the dog club - apparently, I wasn't trying hard enough. I was given many different techniques to try from treating when quiet, from teaching bark-nobark and treating, from aversives (binaca and tobasco) and NOTHING worked. Well, actually the binaca worked but after i got him in the eye it was not a possibility to be using that. Even yesterday Kavik and Toklat and I went for a four mile walk. IT took about an hour. In that hour Kavik barked basically the entire time. Not AT anything, not because he was insecure, unhappy or any of the other reasons folks here are going to tell me that dogs bark - he barked for sheer joy. BARK BARK BARK, I AM WALKING YAY BARK. I actually timed the amount of time he wasn't barking and it was a total of 7 minutes in 58 minutes. And because its outdoors, and in a place where folks aren't sleeping, I don't worry about it -its a good outlet for his bark drive. I also don't correct him when we are skiing - but if we go fast enough, the barking stops!! In any case, for places where its really inappropriate for him to bark - in the car when i am not present, or in the dog club in his crate when i am teaching, he wears a citronella collar. He understands that when he is wearing it, he shouldn't bark, at this point. He doesnt' even test it anymore. And I have been able to leave the collar off most of the time lately - he has learned that he shouldn't bark when left alone in the car at people or while in the crate. I believe both of these are "boredom barks" - barks to entertain onesself. However, if i am very lax about the collar and he doesnt' wear it for several weeks while in these situations the training wears off - so basically i do it randomly - once in awhile he wears the collar as a reminder. Quite frankly, I much preferred this method of training to MY applying the aversive - i am not the bad guy and he is completely in control of the correction. Clearly he understands what causes the correction. And I am not counting on my own powers of timing and accuracy to create the correction. -- --BethF, Anchorage, AK Dogs bark cause they're anxiHOWES AFRAID and INSECURE from being locked in boxes and jerked and choked on pronged spiked pinch choke collars and shocked and stepped on and sprayed in the face with aversives, not cause they're being little TURDS and HAVIN FUN. The Amazing Puppy Wizard sez you can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE cause you're a dog abuser and a mental case, BINACA bethFIST. The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >