pcb

This past Saturday in the late afternoon one of our cats, Russell, was
hit by a car and killed instantly. My husband and I moved our cats (5 of
them) from Istanbul to Portugal, to get into the passport for pets
scheme, and are now living in the UK. We've been here since the end of
April living in his childhood home where his mother used to have 3 cats
that all lived into their 20s. They used to go in and out of the house
all the time, night and day. It's a quiet suburban area and there
really isn't much traffic at all.

The most difficult thing is that we brought the cats with us to the UK
in order to give them a better life and then this happened. Geri (the
mother cat) was a stray and we started to feed her when we were living
on a university campus located in a forest in the outskirts of Istanbul.
She soon showed up pregnant and so we did everything we could to take
good care of her, but she would often wander off. She hated being kept
in and even managed to break the screen on the window to get outside.
One day we noticed that she was no longer pregnant and looked all over
the faculty housing area for her kittens. We couldn't find them and
assumed that they had died or had possibly been killed. About 5 weeks
later she showed up at our door with the 4 kittens. They were
absolutely gorgeous. We did try to put them up for adoption, but
no one responded to our ad, and at the same time we were growing more
and more attached to them and couldn't imagine a life without them.

My husband needed to return to the UK so we went to Portugal in order to
not have to put the cats into quarantine. THis is part of the
Passport for Pets scheme. I just can't believe that now that we have
the cats in a fantastic environment, a house as opposed to an apartment
(they love running up and down the stairs) a nice fenced in garden,
which unfortunately they are able to climb up and jump over, this has
happened. The kittens are 2 years old now, the mother is about 3 or 4
according to the vet. Poor Russell, one of the most handsome cats I
have ever seen if I say so myself, had to have his life snatched away
from him just when the best years were beginning.

The cats were used to being indoor/outdoor cats (out all day and in at
night), except when we were in Portugal and never let them out because
we lived in a busy area. We were following our previous routine with
them here in the UK but have now decided we're not going to let the
others out anymore unless we take them out on leashes because we're so
scared of this happening again. Has anyone had experience of turning
indoor/outdoor cats into indoor cats and with using leashes? These cats
are not passive housecats, they love to hunt and climb. Any ideas for
keeping them entertained? The only toy they seem to like is the rabbit
fur mice that are sold on petsmart.com.

Also, anyone in the UK or Europe have cat furniture (gyms, trees, etc)
I've found a couple of sites that are located in the UK, but most seem
to be in the USA. I'm worried that they'll love the novelty of it but
then soon grow bored and never use the stuff.

Crying my eyes out,
PCB

oldmolly

"pcb" <pcbnyc@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MtVMa.9478$Ds.4183@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> This past Saturday in the late afternoon one of our cats, Russell, was
> hit by a car and killed instantly. My husband and I moved our cats (5 of
> them) from Istanbul to Portugal, to get into the passport for pets
> scheme, and are now living in the UK. We've been here since the end of
> April living in his childhood home where his mother used to have 3 cats
> that all lived into their 20s. They used to go in and out of the house
> all the time, night and day. It's a quiet suburban area and there
> really isn't much traffic at all.
>
> The most difficult thing is that we brought the cats with us to the UK
> in order to give them a better life and then this happened. Geri (the
> mother cat) was a stray and we started to feed her when we were living
> on a university campus located in a forest in the outskirts of Istanbul.
> She soon showed up pregnant and so we did everything we could to take
> good care of her, but she would often wander off. She hated being kept
> in and even managed to break the screen on the window to get outside.
> One day we noticed that she was no longer pregnant and looked all over
> the faculty housing area for her kittens. We couldn't find them and
> assumed that they had died or had possibly been killed. About 5 weeks
> later she showed up at our door with the 4 kittens. They were
> absolutely gorgeous. We did try to put them up for adoption, but
> no one responded to our ad, and at the same time we were growing more
> and more attached to them and couldn't imagine a life without them.
>
> My husband needed to return to the UK so we went to Portugal in order to
> not have to put the cats into quarantine. THis is part of the
> Passport for Pets scheme. I just can't believe that now that we have
> the cats in a fantastic environment, a house as opposed to an apartment
> (they love running up and down the stairs) a nice fenced in garden,
> which unfortunately they are able to climb up and jump over, this has
> happened. The kittens are 2 years old now, the mother is about 3 or 4
> according to the vet. Poor Russell, one of the most handsome cats I
> have ever seen if I say so myself, had to have his life snatched away
> from him just when the best years were beginning.
>
> The cats were used to being indoor/outdoor cats (out all day and in at
> night), except when we were in Portugal and never let them out because
> we lived in a busy area. We were following our previous routine with
> them here in the UK but have now decided we're not going to let the
> others out anymore unless we take them out on leashes because we're so
> scared of this happening again. Has anyone had experience of turning
> indoor/outdoor cats into indoor cats and with using leashes? These cats
> are not passive housecats, they love to hunt and climb. Any ideas for
> keeping them entertained? The only toy they seem to like is the rabbit
> fur mice that are sold on petsmart.com.
>
> Also, anyone in the UK or Europe have cat furniture (gyms, trees, etc)
> I've found a couple of sites that are located in the UK, but most seem
> to be in the USA. I'm worried that they'll love the novelty of it but
> then soon grow bored and never use the stuff.
>
> Crying my eyes out,
> PCB
>
I am so sorry. I lost a couple of my cats this way too in the last year and
I live on a very quiet country lane. I have installed a cat flap which is 4
way locking and now make mine come in at duskk and stay in all night. They
hated it at first but are now used to it.This seems to have worked (touch
wood). My cats got run over early morning or after dark so if I keep them
in at those times I hope they have a better chance.The 4 way cat flap mean I
can lock it so a cat can come in, but not go out again which means any
stragglers come in eventually and are safe.


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Hi PCB ,
I'm so sorry about your cat . You can add a hang over to the top of
your fence to stop your cats leaving the garden . The Cats Protection
has a good leaflet about cats and gardens .

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"pcb" <pcbnyc@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MtVMa.9478$Ds.4183@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> This past Saturday in the late afternoon one of our cats, Russell,
was
> hit by a car and killed instantly. My husband and I moved our cats
(5 of
> them) from Istanbul to Portugal, to get into the passport for pets
> scheme, and are now living in the UK. We've been here since the end
of
> April living in his childhood home where his mother used to have 3
cats
> that all lived into their 20s. They used to go in and out of the
house
> all the time, night and day. It's a quiet suburban area and there
> really isn't much traffic at all.
>
> The most difficult thing is that we brought the cats with us to the
UK
> in order to give them a better life and then this happened. Geri
(the
> mother cat) was a stray and we started to feed her when we were
living
> on a university campus located in a forest in the outskirts of
Istanbul.
> She soon showed up pregnant and so we did everything we could to
take
> good care of her, but she would often wander off. She hated being
kept
> in and even managed to break the screen on the window to get
outside.
> One day we noticed that she was no longer pregnant and looked all
over
> the faculty housing area for her kittens. We couldn't find them and
> assumed that they had died or had possibly been killed. About 5
weeks
> later she showed up at our door with the 4 kittens. They were
> absolutely gorgeous. We did try to put them up for adoption, but
> no one responded to our ad, and at the same time we were growing
more
> and more attached to them and couldn't imagine a life without them.
>
> My husband needed to return to the UK so we went to Portugal in
order to
> not have to put the cats into quarantine. THis is part of the
> Passport for Pets scheme. I just can't believe that now that we
have
> the cats in a fantastic environment, a house as opposed to an
apartment
> (they love running up and down the stairs) a nice fenced in garden,
> which unfortunately they are able to climb up and jump over, this
has
> happened. The kittens are 2 years old now, the mother is about 3 or
4
> according to the vet. Poor Russell, one of the most handsome cats I
> have ever seen if I say so myself, had to have his life snatched
away
> from him just when the best years were beginning.
>
> The cats were used to being indoor/outdoor cats (out all day and in
at
> night), except when we were in Portugal and never let them out
because
> we lived in a busy area. We were following our previous routine
with
> them here in the UK but have now decided we're not going to let the
> others out anymore unless we take them out on leashes because we're
so
> scared of this happening again. Has anyone had experience of
turning
> indoor/outdoor cats into indoor cats and with using leashes? These
cats
> are not passive housecats, they love to hunt and climb. Any ideas
for
> keeping them entertained? The only toy they seem to like is the
rabbit
> fur mice that are sold on petsmart.com.
>
> Also, anyone in the UK or Europe have cat furniture (gyms, trees,
etc)
> I've found a couple of sites that are located in the UK, but most
seem
> to be in the USA. I'm worried that they'll love the novelty of it
but
> then soon grow bored and never use the stuff.
>
> Crying my eyes out,
> PCB
>

Karen Chuplis

in article MtVMa.9478$Ds.4183@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk, pcb at
pcbnyc@yahoo.co.uk wrote on 7/3/03 7:39 AM:

> This past Saturday in the late afternoon one of our cats, Russell, was
> hit by a car and killed instantly. My husband and I moved our cats (5 of
> them) from Istanbul to Portugal, to get into the passport for pets
> scheme, and are now living in the UK. We've been here since the end of
> April living in his childhood home where his mother used to have 3 cats
> that all lived into their 20s. They used to go in and out of the house
> all the time, night and day. It's a quiet suburban area and there
> really isn't much traffic at all.
>
> The most difficult thing is that we brought the cats with us to the UK
> in order to give them a better life and then this happened. Geri (the
> mother cat) was a stray and we started to feed her when we were living
> on a university campus located in a forest in the outskirts of Istanbul.
> She soon showed up pregnant and so we did everything we could to take
> good care of her, but she would often wander off. She hated being kept
> in and even managed to break the screen on the window to get outside.
> One day we noticed that she was no longer pregnant and looked all over
> the faculty housing area for her kittens. We couldn't find them and
> assumed that they had died or had possibly been killed. About 5 weeks
> later she showed up at our door with the 4 kittens. They were
> absolutely gorgeous. We did try to put them up for adoption, but
> no one responded to our ad, and at the same time we were growing more
> and more attached to them and couldn't imagine a life without them.
>
> My husband needed to return to the UK so we went to Portugal in order to
> not have to put the cats into quarantine. THis is part of the
> Passport for Pets scheme. I just can't believe that now that we have
> the cats in a fantastic environment, a house as opposed to an apartment
> (they love running up and down the stairs) a nice fenced in garden,
> which unfortunately they are able to climb up and jump over, this has
> happened. The kittens are 2 years old now, the mother is about 3 or 4
> according to the vet. Poor Russell, one of the most handsome cats I
> have ever seen if I say so myself, had to have his life snatched away
> from him just when the best years were beginning.
>
> The cats were used to being indoor/outdoor cats (out all day and in at
> night), except when we were in Portugal and never let them out because
> we lived in a busy area. We were following our previous routine with
> them here in the UK but have now decided we're not going to let the
> others out anymore unless we take them out on leashes because we're so
> scared of this happening again. Has anyone had experience of turning
> indoor/outdoor cats into indoor cats and with using leashes? These cats
> are not passive housecats, they love to hunt and climb. Any ideas for
> keeping them entertained? The only toy they seem to like is the rabbit
> fur mice that are sold on petsmart.com.
>
> Also, anyone in the UK or Europe have cat furniture (gyms, trees, etc)
> I've found a couple of sites that are located in the UK, but most seem
> to be in the USA. I'm worried that they'll love the novelty of it but
> then soon grow bored and never use the stuff.
>
> Crying my eyes out,
> PCB
>
I'm sooo sorry. That is very sad. Since you have a walled garden, maybe you
could get someone to fix up the top like they do at this site
www.catfencein.com to keep them in the garden. Once again my condolences on
your loss,

Karen

Invincible (Shazza De Coon)

pcb wrote in message ...
> This past Saturday in the late afternoon one of our cats, Russell, was
>hit by a car and killed instantly. My husband and I moved our cats (5 of
>them) from Istanbul to Portugal, to get into the passport for pets
>scheme, and are now living in the UK. We've been here since the end of
>April living in his childhood home where his mother used to have 3 cats
>that all lived into their 20s. They used to go in and out of the house
>all the time, night and day. It's a quiet suburban area and there
>really isn't much traffic at all.
>

I'm so sorry to hear about the death of your cat. My cat, Mysty,
(named after grey mist, and at first thought of as a female, as in Misty),
has been missing since April. We honestly don't know if he's dead or alive,
but most likely has been hit by a car as your Russell. It's heartbreaking
for me because I always see the calico cat that he played with in our yard.
She's spayed and declawed and stops by the house and yard daily. I never
thought I had anything to worry about, either, as Mysty was more of an
outside cat and did he ever love the outdoors! We found him living under
our backporch and began feeding and taming him. Soon he became more of an
inside/outside cat, but still loved the outdoors and wanted to go outside.
We kept him in the house for feeding times, a long afternoon nap, and after
supper from about 9:30 P.M. Despite Mysty's intentions, I always kept him
in at night. I live on a cul-de-sac, a turn-around dead end street, with
lots of woods beyond my house for over 1/2 a mile. There is no other street
next to mine and the next adjacent property is a school, playground, and
church. The longest Mysty went missing was about 38 hours back in February.
He appeared at the back door at about 3:00 A.M., after a mild snowstorm.
Mysty always returned home, except for that fateful day in April. He was
just sitting on a wicker chair with cushion on the porch, got off, started
walking around the backyard that afternoon, and never returned home again.

Sometimes it helps in your sorrow to read posts by others in similar
situations. Here the calico is still roaming the neighbors' yards and the
street, and, believe me, many a time she walked in front of my car while
crossing. I had to slow down and hit my brakes several times. But Mysty,
the streetwise cat, isn't around anymore.

Now I have two kittens that I've adopted, and they are growing and getting
more curious by the day. Cindy meows and looks at the doors and Lucy just
scratches doors or windows with both paws. They see me working outside,
exiting and entering the house, and are smart enought to know, now, that
they can go out, too. The vet told me to keep them in the house. I've
decided to do so, now, because I don't want them to become infested with
fleas and they are still quite young.
I'm also determined to train them to a harness and leash.

I never got Mysty neutered, and if I had, he would have stayed closer to
home, so I blame myself for his demise. I feel guilty for erring in
judgment and not doing the right thing soon enough. I also tend to be very
overprotective of the new kittens because of Mysty.

Please accept my condolences on the loss of your cat.

DangerScouse

On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 13:39:05 +0100, pcb cried forth...
> This past Saturday in the late afternoon one of our cats, Russell, was
> hit by a car and killed instantly. My husband and I moved our cats (5 of
> them) from Istanbul to Portugal, to get into the passport for pets
> scheme, and are now living in the UK. We've been here since the end of
> April living in his childhood home where his mother used to have 3 cats
> that all lived into their 20s. They used to go in and out of the house
> all the time, night and day. It's a quiet suburban area and there
> really isn't much traffic at all.
>
Sorry to hear about that, really bad news.

<snip>
> Also, anyone in the UK or Europe have cat furniture (gyms, trees, etc)
> I've found a couple of sites that are located in the UK, but most seem
> to be in the USA. I'm worried that they'll love the novelty of it but
> then soon grow bored and never use the stuff.
>
Try looking on www.hi-pet.com, they are based a couple of miles from
where I live.

--
Lesley

Un-cork me to reply

Dee

On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, pcb wrote:

> This past Saturday in the late afternoon one of our cats, Russell, was
> hit by a car and killed instantly.

I'm so sorry for your loss pcb. Russell will always be with you, and you
with him.

Dee

blcker

I am so sorry for your loss. Please look this link over for some future
tips; http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/P...2/indoors.html
"
>

James

pcb <pcbnyc@yahoo.co.uk> wrote on Thu, 3 Jul 2003:

> This past Saturday in the late afternoon one of our cats, Russell, was
>hit by a car and killed instantly.

This is a very sad story especially as you've come such a long way.
It's always terrible when a kitty gets killed by traffic and it happens
so often. But sometimes it's better to know the bad news rather than
when they go missing for weeks or never come home at all. So, so sorry
about the bad news and there're a few tears on this keyboard too.

>The most difficult thing is that we brought the cats with us to the UK
>in order to give them a better life and then this happened.

Risks are all over the place - for you, me and your cats. But at least
you did everything to keep them happy while they were with you. This
sounds little consolation but mortality is part of life for all of us.
Sadly for Russell it was earlier. I hope I'm not being insensitive.
Hold onto your memories. Cat's are better than any tissue and they don't
mind a bit of damp fur.

Take care. XXX
--
James

k

Re: cat trees/furnitureIn my experience, they love the top layers the best.
It isn't hard to build your own with 2x4s and plywood.
Home improvement stores like Home Depot and Lowes in
the US have all kinds of things that can be incorporated
for fun & inexpensively. Circular wood pieces that can be used for variety
in platforms, and wide heavy duty circular cardboard
(called Builder's tube here) for tunnels. Your imagination
is your limit. The main problem I find (having multiple
cats) is the ones you can buy don't have large enough
platforms. Building your own, you can make platforms
large enough for more than one cat.

You should also look into cat fencing. Doesn't allow
cats to get over the top. Your husband may be able to
adapt your own fence -- a home-made version, and that
might help in the future.

Sorry for your loss:-(


pcb <pcbnyc@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:<MtVMa.9478$Ds.4183@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>...
> This past Saturday in the late afternoon one of our cats, Russell, was
> hit by a car and killed instantly. My husband and I moved our cats (5 of
> them) from Istanbul to Portugal, to get into the passport for pets
> scheme, and are now living in the UK. We've been here since the end of
> April living in his childhood home where his mother used to have 3 cats
> that all lived into their 20s. They used to go in and out of the house
> all the time, night and day. It's a quiet suburban area and there
> really isn't much traffic at all.
>
> The most difficult thing is that we brought the cats with us to the UK
> in order to give them a better life and then this happened. Geri (the
> mother cat) was a stray and we started to feed her when we were living
> on a university campus located in a forest in the outskirts of Istanbul.
> She soon showed up pregnant and so we did everything we could to take
> good care of her, but she would often wander off. She hated being kept
> in and even managed to break the screen on the window to get outside.
> One day we noticed that she was no longer pregnant and looked all over
> the faculty housing area for her kittens. We couldn't find them and
> assumed that they had died or had possibly been killed. About 5 weeks
> later she showed up at our door with the 4 kittens. They were
> absolutely gorgeous. We did try to put them up for adoption, but
> no one responded to our ad, and at the same time we were growing more
> and more attached to them and couldn't imagine a life without them.
>
> My husband needed to return to the UK so we went to Portugal in order to
> not have to put the cats into quarantine. THis is part of the
> Passport for Pets scheme. I just can't believe that now that we have
> the cats in a fantastic environment, a house as opposed to an apartment
> (they love running up and down the stairs) a nice fenced in garden,
> which unfortunately they are able to climb up and jump over, this has
> happened. The kittens are 2 years old now, the mother is about 3 or 4
> according to the vet. Poor Russell, one of the most handsome cats I
> have ever seen if I say so myself, had to have his life snatched away
> from him just when the best years were beginning.
>
> The cats were used to being indoor/outdoor cats (out all day and in at
> night), except when we were in Portugal and never let them out because
> we lived in a busy area. We were following our previous routine with
> them here in the UK but have now decided we're not going to let the
> others out anymore unless we take them out on leashes because we're so
> scared of this happening again. Has anyone had experience of turning
> indoor/outdoor cats into indoor cats and with using leashes? These cats
> are not passive housecats, they love to hunt and climb. Any ideas for
> keeping them entertained? The only toy they seem to like is the rabbit
> fur mice that are sold on petsmart.com.
>
> Also, anyone in the UK or Europe have cat furniture (gyms, trees, etc)
> I've found a couple of sites that are located in the UK, but most seem
> to be in the USA. I'm worried that they'll love the novelty of it but
> then soon grow bored and never use the stuff.
>
> Crying my eyes out,
> PCB

Wendy UK

pcb
: Crying my eyes out,
...

I would be too, what an awful shame, please accept
my sypmathies for your sad loss..

--
Wendy
www.pet-rescue.org.uk

Munchkin

"Wendy UK" <wendy@rodentrescue.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:<be9e6e$8o5$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>...
> pcb
> : Crying my eyes out,
>

I know how you are feeling PCB, only this week we had to have our cat,
Pushkin, euthanised because she had cancer which finally got the
better of her. It is the one of the most traumatic experiences I have
ever had.

my thoughts and love are with you.

JD

Dee

On 7 Jul 2003, Munchkin wrote:

> I know how you are feeling PCB, only this week we had to have our cat,
> Pushkin, euthanised because she had cancer which finally got the
> better of her. It is the one of the most traumatic experiences I have
> ever had.

I'm sorry for your loss JD. I understand how hard it is to lose one of
the little ones.


Dee

Five Cats

In article
<epxRkhlUwRo0-pn2-38iKT9dpIwzQ@user-33qts1k.dialup.mindspring.com>,
Linda Terrell <lindat5@mindspring.com> writes
> If you never let your cat out, you would still have your cat.

I'm sure that will bring a smile to the face of the OP - not.

<snip>

--
Five Cats

Wendy UK

Linda Terrell <
: If you never let your cat out, you would still have your cat.
...

There really wasn't any need for this kind of response, how cruel
you are to be so insensitive to someone's feelings!

Wendy

Linda Terrell

On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 20:54:47 UTC, "Wendy UK"
<wendy@rodentrescue.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>
> Linda Terrell <
> : If you never let your cat out, you would still have your cat.
> ..
>
> There really wasn't any need for this kind of response, how cruel
> you are to be so insensitive to someone's feelings!
>
> Wendy

People who let their cats out then cry because it got hit by a car
or killed by a dog or poisoned, or tortured, do not get sympathy from
me
when simply keeping the cat indoors would have saved its life.

It's a simple equation. Ourdoors: cars, dogs, coyotes, snakes,
poison,
whackos who torture/kill cats.

Indoors: safe, loved, healthy, long-lived.

LT



--

nimue

Linda Terrell wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 20:54:47 UTC, "Wendy UK"
> <wendy@rodentrescue.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> Linda Terrell <
>>> If you never let your cat out, you would still have your cat.
>> ..
>>
>> There really wasn't any need for this kind of response, how cruel
>> you are to be so insensitive to someone's feelings!
>>
>> Wendy
>
> People who let their cats out then cry because it got hit by a car
> or killed by a dog or poisoned, or tortured, do not get sympathy from
> me
> when simply keeping the cat indoors would have saved its life.
>
> It's a simple equation. Ourdoors: cars, dogs, coyotes, snakes,
> poison,
> whackos who torture/kill cats.
>
> Indoors: safe, loved, healthy, long-lived.
>
> LT

What you said is valid -- how and when you said it was completely heartless
and totally inappropriate. It couldn't help the cat, and it just devastated
someone who was already suffering. You should be ashamed of yourself.

--
nimue

"There are things I will not tolerate: students loitering on campus
after school, horrible murders with hearts being removed... and also
smoking." Principal Snyder

"It enrages me to be told I have a temper."
Rose

Linda Terrell

>
> What you said is valid -- how and when you said it was completely heartless
> and totally inappropriate. It couldn't help the cat, and it just devastated
> someone who was already suffering. You should be ashamed of yourself.
>
> --
> nimue


I am not.

LT

simpson

Linda Terrell <lindat5@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:epxRkhlUwRo0-pn2-QyqdiVl6b1tF@user-33qtslo.dialup.mindspring.com...
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 20:54:47 UTC, "Wendy UK"
> <wendy@rodentrescue.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> > Linda Terrell <
> > : If you never let your cat out, you would still have your cat.
> > ..
> >
> > There really wasn't any need for this kind of response, how cruel
> > you are to be so insensitive to someone's feelings!
> >
> > Wendy
>
> People who let their cats out then cry because it got hit by a car
> or killed by a dog or poisoned, or tortured, do not get sympathy from
> me
> when simply keeping the cat indoors would have saved its life.
>
> It's a simple equation. Ourdoors: cars, dogs, coyotes, snakes,
> poison,
> whackos who torture/kill cats.
>
> Indoors: safe, loved, healthy, long-lived.
>
> LT
>
>
>
> --
>

How bloody insensitive.

*I* am very sorry for your loss. Personally, and this is only my own
opinion. I'd rather a cat had a good life cut short, than was kept locked up
until a ripe old age of seventeen. I know many here will disagree with me.


Indoors cats are kept against nature, not allowed the freedom to move, bask
in the sunshine, and hunt.

Two sides to every moralistic coin.
Sooz

nimue

Linda Terrell wrote:
>> What you said is valid -- how and when you said it was completely
>> heartless and totally inappropriate. It couldn't help the cat, and
>> it just devastated someone who was already suffering. You should be
>> ashamed of yourself.
>>
>> --
>> nimue

You would be a better person if you were -- it would show you had a heart,
some compassion, or at the very least, that you had undergone some personal
growth. I suppose the feelings of others mean nothing to you.
>
>
> I am not.
>
> LT

--
nimue

"There are things I will not tolerate: students loitering on campus
after school, horrible murders with hearts being removed... and also
smoking." Principal Snyder

"It enrages me to be told I have a temper."
Rose

oldmolly

"Linda Terrell" <lindat5@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 20:54:47 UTC, "Wendy UK"
> <wendy@rodentrescue.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> > Linda Terrell <
> > : If you never let your cat out, you would still have your cat.
> > ..
> >
> > There really wasn't any need for this kind of response, how cruel
> > you are to be so insensitive to someone's feelings!
> >
> > Wendy
>
> People who let their cats out then cry because it got hit by a car
> or killed by a dog or poisoned, or tortured, do not get sympathy from
> me
What a compassionate human being you are.






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Claire

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:36:17 +0100, "oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com>
wrote:

>
>"Claire" <spamspamspam@thatsallieverget> wrote in message
>news:sc2ugv0c7lh59pg93khgqlosjdietkhhrm@4ax.com.. .
>> On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 13:39:05 +0100, pcb <pcbnyc@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > This past Saturday in the late afternoon one of our cats, Russell, was
>> >hit by a car and killed instantly.
>>
>> Sorry to say this, but, good.
>>
>> That's what happens when you allow the filthy bird-killing creatures
>> to roam free. Keep the rest of them inside. If you don't, I hope the
>> other four suffer a similar fate.
>
> Is it school holidays already???

No, it isn't. Well, at least my children aren't on holiday yet.
But, then again, you wouldn't know if it was school holiday time or
not when you consider that you're a childless, smelly, old hag.

oldmolly

"Claire" <spamspamspam@thatsallieverget> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:36:17 +0100, "oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Claire" <spamspamspam@thatsallieverget> wrote in message
> >news:sc2ugv0c7lh59pg93khgqlosjdietkhhrm@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 13:39:05 +0100, pcb <pcbnyc@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> > This past Saturday in the late afternoon one of our cats, Russell,
was
> >> >hit by a car and killed instantly.
> >>
> >> Sorry to say this, but, good.
> >>
> >> That's what happens when you allow the filthy bird-killing creatures
> >> to roam free. Keep the rest of them inside. If you don't, I hope the
> >> other four suffer a similar fate.
> >
> > Is it school holidays already???
>
> No, it isn't. Well, at least my children aren't on holiday yet.
> But, then again, you wouldn't know if it was school holiday time or
> not when you consider that you're a childless, smelly, old hag.
Aaah so you are not a child but just one of lifes scum then. Eeh, I *do*
love the WWW as it gives people the chance to demonstrate their lack of
intelligence for all the world to see instead of just aspiring to be the
village idiot, or the sort of people that neighbours move away from.
Oh and by the way, the first two are incorrect. I do have a son, and I
don't smell. I hope your children turn out as my son did, considerate, hard
working, with a degree, and lots of friends. But as children in all
likelyhood follow the parents example, I expect yours will be he usual rough
pikey scum, vandalising, spitting and swearing, and end up doleys for life.
You must be very proud dear.Unless society is very very lucky and they
manage to kill themselves first whilst joyriding or sniffing glue. We live
in hope.


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steve lomax

"oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Linda Terrell" <lindat5@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:epxRkhlUwRo0-pn2-QyqdiVl6b1tF@user-33qtslo.dialup.mindspring.com...
> > On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 20:54:47 UTC, "Wendy UK"
> > <wendy@rodentrescue.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Linda Terrell <
> > > : If you never let your cat out, you would still have your cat.
> > > ..
> > >
> > > There really wasn't any need for this kind of response, how cruel
> > > you are to be so insensitive to someone's feelings!
> > >
> > > Wendy
> >
> > People who let their cats out then cry because it got hit by a car
> > or killed by a dog or poisoned, or tortured, do not get sympathy from
> > me
> What a compassionate human being you are.
>
Hi Molly, how's the libel case progressing, everything seems to have gone a
little quite of late.

Steve

Catwoman

"steve lomax" <stevelomax@bellsouth.com> wrote ...
>
> "oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com> wrote ...
> > What a compassionate human being you are.

> Hi Molly, how's the libel case progressing, everything seems to have gone
a
> little quite of late.


That's because it never even started!

You'll all be the first to know if it ever does LOL!

oldmolly

"Catwoman" <dontreply@spamtrap.com> wrote in message
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> "steve lomax" <stevelomax@bellsouth.com> wrote ...
> >
> > "oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com> wrote ...
> > > What a compassionate human being you are.
>
> > Hi Molly, how's the libel case progressing, everything seems to have
gone
> a
> > little quite of late.
>
>
> That's because it never even started!
>
> You'll all be the first to know if it ever does LOL!
>
>
How odd that people are always keen to poke their noses into other peoples
private business. LOL!


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big sid

"oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Catwoman" <dontreply@spamtrap.com> wrote in message
> news:beupjk$l7t$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > "steve lomax" <stevelomax@bellsouth.com> wrote ...
> > >
> > > "oldmolly" <oldmolly@ntlworld.com> wrote ...
> > > > What a compassionate human being you are.
> >
> > > Hi Molly, how's the libel case progressing, everything seems to have
> gone
> > a
> > > little quite of late.
> >
> >
> > That's because it never even started!
> >
> > You'll all be the first to know if it ever does LOL!
> >
> >
> How odd that people are always keen to poke their noses into other
peoples
> private business. LOL!
>
>
Private business, don't make me laugh. You posted it on Usenet for all the
world to see.
>

bewtifulfreak

I'm so sorry about your cat; we lost a cat right before Christmas, and it
was truly heartbreaking, so I certainly understand your sorrow. I'm very
lucky because the two we have now were kept indoors for the first two years
til I could afford their feline leukemia shot as well as their regular ones,
and consequently, got wary of the front where the cars are, and only go out
in the back garden (other than to poke their heads out front if the door's
open and run back in before I close it). But the one that got killed was a
rescued stray, and he was use to wandering; he disappeared for three weeks,
and came back with a hole in his shoulder. Now we wish we'd gotten him
checked out, but at the time, I assumed it was just a bite, even though my
husband mentioned a pellet, cuz the same had happened to another cat I had
(thought it was a pellet wound, but x-ray showed it wasn't, vet said it must
just be a bite). I cleaned and medicated the wound, and he healed up
alright, but about a month later, he was really struggling to breath, and we
took him in to the vet next day. Turns out he *was* shot, and it went
through both lungs and lodged next to his rib. I guess the wounds had tried
to heal, but must have gotten infected, because his lungs and abdomen were
both filled with fluid (she didn't even know how that happened, because
they're not connected), and his bladder was filled with blood. We couldn't
even *try* to save him, because we made the awful mistake of not yet getting
him insured because we weren't sure he was going to stick around, though she
try to make us feel less guilty by telling us he was so bad off, he probably
wouldn't have made it anyway. Still, I so wish we could have tried, same as
we'd do with anyone we loved. He was only a little boy, too, no more than
about a year old, and a real love. We buried him in our back garden, and I
made him a little wooden cross from some old tree branches. Anyway, I'm
sorry to turn this round to my sad story, but just wanted you to know you're
not alone in mourning the tragic loss of a kitty, I very much know how you
feel.

Warmest Regards,
Ann

blcker

Ann, this is another reason why cats are far better off living indoors.
There are so many evil cat-hating humans that think nothing of shooting a
cat if it comes on their property.
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/P...2/indoors.html
"bewtifulfreak"
> I'm so sorry about your cat; we lost a cat right before Christmas, and it
> was truly heartbreaking, so I certainly understand your sorrow. I'm very
> lucky because the two we have now were kept indoors for the first two
years
> til I could afford their feline leukemia shot as well as their regular
ones,
> and consequently, got wary of the front where the cars are, and only go
out
> in the back garden (other than to poke their heads out front if the door's
> open and run back in before I close it). But the one that got killed was
a
> rescued stray, and he was use to wandering; he disappeared for three
weeks,
> and came back with a hole in his shoulder. Now we wish we'd gotten him
> checked out, but at the time, I assumed it was just a bite, even though my
> husband mentioned a pellet, cuz the same had happened to another cat I had
> (thought it was a pellet wound, but x-ray showed it wasn't, vet said it
must
> just be a bite). I cleaned and medicated the wound, and he healed up
> alright, but about a month later, he was really struggling to breath, and
we
> took him in to the vet next day. Turns out he *was* shot, and it went
> through both lungs and lodged next to his rib. I guess the wounds had
tried
> to heal, but must have gotten infected, because his lungs and abdomen were
> both filled with fluid (she didn't even know how that happened, because
> they're not connected), and his bladder was filled with blood. We
couldn't
> even *try* to save him, because we made the awful mistake of not yet
getting
> him insured because we weren't sure he was going to stick around, though
she
> try to make us feel less guilty by telling us he was so bad off, he
probably
> wouldn't have made it anyway. Still, I so wish we could have tried, same
as
> we'd do with anyone we loved. He was only a little boy, too, no more than
> about a year old, and a real love. We buried him in our back garden, and
I
> made him a little wooden cross from some old tree branches. Anyway, I'm
> sorry to turn this round to my sad story, but just wanted you to know
you're
> not alone in mourning the tragic loss of a kitty, I very much know how you
> feel.
>
> Warmest Regards,
> Ann
>
>