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Re: Wireless Fence
rusty.henderson@gmail.com wrote: > I bought a wireless fence from Home Depot for my lab mix CJ. I have > noticed that the range can vary from day to day and doesn't seem to be > consistent. Has anyone had this problem? > > P.S. > I have made the decision to use this device and do not need opinions on > the use of shock. BWEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!! HOWEDY granville, granvi...@indigo.ie (Granville) wrote in <vI62a.8882$V6.11...@news.indi*go.ie>: >I am in a spin. Well, permit The Puppy Wizzzard to turn you INSIDE OUT. That'll improve the spin... so you can kill your dog in good conscience, just like you been HURTIN IT in good consicience, cause that's the NATURE of a lying dog abusing Punk Thug Coward who'd HURT their dog and then KILL IT, to be FAIR. >We have two golden retrievers. Yeah. That won't last long, HOWEver. > They are sisters They WAS. WON IS ABOUT TO GET DEAD NOW. > and just over a year old. Yeah. The Puppy Wizzzard's been EXXXPECTING you. WELCOME TO WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method School Of HARD KNOCKS. > As you would expect You're about to KILL your dog, as PREDICTED. > they are real softies. Yeah. That's HOWE COME you'd HURT them. You wouldn't have the balls to hurt a dog like The Puppy Wizzzard's dogs, cause they'd mop the goddamned floors with you for HURTIN them... > No aggression, Of course not. That's on account of they fear you, cause you hurt them. > you can take a bone away, Cause you'll HURT them if they don't give it up... > their dinner away and no problem...just a sad face. Yeah... Just sad. > I had both of them on a lead, was leaning against a > wall and watching a game. The Puppy Wizzzard don't PLAY games. You HURT your dogs, that's HOWE COME they've now turned AGGRESSIVE: From: Granville (granvi...@indigo.ie) Subject: Re: e-fencing question Date: 2003-01-29 05:26:47 PST I have found the secret is for the dog to associates something different and new with crossing the barrier. I put on the lead, leave on the collar, turn the system off and walk the dog across. Ok so the first time the resist, but they soon learn that it's ok to cross over with their leash attached. It gives them "permission" to cross with you and the leash. I don't take the collar off, because I use a training collar as well. I don't want the dog becoming "collar smart" and only obey if they have the collar on." The "training" collar being your PRONGED SPIKED PINCH CHOKE collar... > They were both sitting, quietly beside me. Yeah.. just relaxin. > Along comes a 3 year old child and pets the dogs, wagging > tales , licks to face etc. She was stroking them for about > 5 mins. I had my back turned and then....... Then the dog looked around and seen the fences... and the kids. > The larger one (30kg) went for the child. Yeah.. surprise, surprise, surprise... > Bit her on the forehead, drew blood. Good for you! > This was not a quick nip, but about 3 > seconds of sustained biting/attacking The sight of the fence nearby the kids provoked memories of every shock your poor dog has taken from your shock fence. > and needed me to pull the dog away. Yeah. He went really NUTS cause YOU HURT HIM. > The smaller dog (20kg) continued sitting and was not > invloved at all. He'll probably do the same thing, he's just learnin HOWE. > Thankfully the child was fine. That so? You think it's fine to get your head bit by a dog at the park on lead? > Nothing that a plaster and some TLC won't heal. Yeah... a stroke of LUCK... hunh? You mighta got sued BIG TIME had the dog ripped the kid's face off, like he wanted to do for the kid, cause YOU HURT HIM. > There was no provocation that I could see... Of curse not!!! You'll NEVER SEE the TRUTH, cause that's SCAREY, and THAT would MAKE YOU SAD. You're EMBARRASSED lookin at your own HUMAN NATURE. > not that that would excuse it. We don't need EXXXCUSES for HURTIN HOWER dogs. > I heard no whimper of say a finger poked in the dogs eye > etc. The child didn't HURT the dog. YOU DID. You BEEN HURTING IT since day WON. > I think the dog got a fright as much as the > child...the dog peed everywhere. The dog was frightened of YOU. > I don't know what to do. The Puppy Wizzzard does. The Puppy Wizzzard sez only THUGS PUNKS and COWARDS HURT DOGS, and then they KILL THEM, TO BE FAIR. > Is this a fault in her?. YOU HURT YOUR DOG TO "TRAIN" IT. Now you wantPERMISSION to KILL IT. You got The Puppy Wizzzard's PERMISSION to KILL your dog... so long as you EXXXPLAIN to your KIDS, HOWE COME YOU GOT TO KILL YOUR DOG, CAUSE YOU HURT IT, and MADE IT FEAR CHILDREN. > Can I trusther with my 7 year old child?. Can society TRUST YOU with a child. The Puppy Wizzzard sez NO. You're a liar and an abuser. >I can't rationalise this behaviour. Of curse you can... you have since the git go, since day WON... > She's doesn't appear to be sick, It's YOU who is SICK. > She lets my 7 year old roll and tumble with her all the > time. Cause she knows you'll HURT HER if she plays rough... like the food and bone and pullin on leash. It's all the same same same same... >I have nieces and nephews that could now be at risk when they >come over. NOT IF YOU HURT THE DOG ENOUGH. She's SAFE, so long as YOU HURT HER IN ADVANCE. >So I need some words of wisdom You're the bum who's been tellin US to HURT HOWER dogs. >to help our family understand what we may be facing, You're facing your own human nature, SUCKER. > what we should do now What you SHOULD do has NEVER been a question for you. You've done what your HUMAN NATURE DICTATES: HURT less capable beings, and LIE to DEFEND YOURSELF. > and into the future You'll KILL this dog, and in a few months when his littermate turns on the family or a neighbor's kid, you'll KILL IT, too... And when your kids grow up and end up in jail or nutHOWESES, you'll blame THEM for not listening to you when you was SETTING THE EXXXAMPLE of HUMAN DECENCY. > and how we should think about this incident. The Puppy Wizzzard doesn't pander to lying dog abusing Punk Coward Thugs who're fixin to KILL their dogs cause THEY HURT THEM: >Thanks THANK YOU!!! The Puppy Wizzzard NEEDS YOUR CASE HISTORY: From: Granville (granvi...@indigo.ie) Subject: It's not like that..... Date: 2003-01-30 10:49:38 PST I must disagree....none of what is contained in the article resonates with me nor have I seen it with the other 7 people I know who have an electric fence. The dogs restrained include Retrievers, Spaniels, Wheaten Terriers, Labs. I accept that there is a theoretical risk if you have a highly strung or more bullheaded animal. However I have seen such animals going beserk behind fences and trying to dig under them and gnawing at them. In my view the animal has been out of control through their dislike of any restraint. The problem is primarily with the animal not the method of keeping them restrained. However in this case it's a moot point...given we are talking about a balanced animal. I have two labs...and there has never been an issue of agression nor their natural protective instincts being heightened by the EF. Strays get seen off and the dogs stop at the boundary and bark .....at worst. The notion that a stray getting into the fenced off area and affectively having your dog captive within the area is true, however I have never seen it. Probably because dogs tend to protect their space, and strays get the signals that they are not wanted. But hey just for fun lets speculate for a while..... Imagine your dog is pefect and sits in the yard...you have no EF nor perimeter fence...In strolls another dog into the yard. What happens...if your dog sees them off, or plays..no issue If your dog is fearful and cowers and stays in situ.... well thats just the dogs personality....no issue Why would you put an EF down in this instance?..... Strikes me as there is no need. What happens if your dog bolts and/or chases rather than stays in situ. Well unless you want to give total freedom to run wherever they fancy, you either have him permanently chained up, you put up a yard fence or you lay down an EF. In my view the best and most cost effective option in keeping an even tempered and placid dog humanely contained throughout the day is the EF. In the two years I have had an EF I have could count the amount of corrrections on two hands. They learn really quickly. By the way the installation is really easy..took me a half day to do a yard...150 feet X 100 feet. "jay jay" <jjf...@notmail.com> wrote in message news:b1bigh$111b8m$1@ID-87431.news.dfncis.de... > "julio" <j...@hot.com> wrote in message > news:3e393754$0$3123$45beb828@newscene.com... > > In article <b1b9es$11as4...@ID-87431.news*.dfncis.de>, "jay > > jay" <jjf...@notmail.com> wrote: > > >"julio" <j...@hot.com> wrote in message > > >news:3e3925d4$0$3123$45beb828@newscene.com... > > > I saw your post the first time - thank you very much. > > > But - wdj doesn't put up more than the first couple > > > paragraphs of the >article online. > > Bascially the author expressed serious concern with > > e-fences for the following reasons: > > they use pain as a training tool. Eventhough it is mild, > > it needs to be enough to make the dog stop a behavior. > > Many dogs, espically ones that are more bullheaded (as a > > breed or individual) may need more than average. > > there is a strong possibllity that it will feed whatever > > is making the dog want to get out of the e-fence. Often > > its the sight of anothe dog. the e-fence dog might be > > dog-aggressive. Seeing another dog feeds that getting > > him/her into a heighten state of behavior. Feeling the > > pain stimuli from the e-fence can make him even more > > aggressive and/or agitated. The author notes > > several case histories where a dog's aggressive > > tendencies, which were ok and handled beforehand, got > > totally out of control after the e-fence. > > Also the dog might be trying to get out due to fear. > > Another dog might get into the e-fence or some animal > > that the dog doesn't want to be around. Again > > the combination of the fear with the effect from the > > e-fence can be problematic. > > Also the WDJ is a great magazine. It has no advertising > > and pulls no punches in evaluating things. Its articles > > on dog food are great. > So - tell me - if your dog is not dog agressive ... is not > fearful of anything ... is actually friendly towards other > animals and people, and will only be allowed out there under > some form of supervision - (maybe not direct, but humans > being in the house, within earshot and visibility) and its > not going to be used as a place to let the dog roam while > the humans are not at home... And, *hopefully* if training > goes well, fencing (or I should say collar) will be disabled > once the dog knows the boundries of the yard. > Under those circumstances ... aren't things different? > Anyhow - I realize the biggest downfall to e-fencing is that > it allows other dogs to roam into your yard without > incident, besides the electric thing. But ... I honestly, > do not have the option of a regular fence ... > ANd - like I've stated before - this isn't a definate - but > if I'm not gonna do it - it has to be an extremely firm > argument and reasoning - as BF is set on doing this asap... > (as in this weekend, he's ready to buy and install). I'm > still pushing for a 100' trolley with a 25' leader in the > back yard. That would be the other option. Oh, bye the bye, ask matty HOWE his dog Rocky's SEIZURES are doin... THAT'S CAUSED BY BRIBES AND PUNISHMENT AND CRATING... BWEAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! BOTH THESE GUYS GOT DEAD DOGS CAUSE THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE THEIR Puppy Wizzzard TILL IT WAS TOO LATE. "misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message news:16990-3CAB1F8C-1@storefull-2293.public.lawson.webtv.net... > I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's > not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her > loss. I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because > of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea > that my using a shock collar could have any bearing on Peach > not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using it my > main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. > Once I started using the e-fence...well, then my concern > became how to keep them from running off for days on end. > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the > anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now > <g> A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely > housetrained, doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and > doesn't bark all the time. IOW a great companion and friend. > Thanks Jerry! ===================== "misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message news:6946-3B6337A1-329@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.ne > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no > collars. > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to > come back in the yard and would run for days. The > last time, Peach didn't come back home. > I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the > yard. > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we > walk around the yard. > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the > e-fence and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. > The price was too high:-( > ~misty ============ <"Terri"@cyberhighway > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth! > Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs > come forward and actually believe in his training manual. Robert Crim writes: I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it. This naive child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped his last gasp. To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake names are more honest than people that use their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and lived by their craft for decades. "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don't really care. > And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and > actually admit to buying and having success with his > little black box. I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll never know. > Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by > Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming > to him! LOL! I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right. >Terri Yes it was, and that is sad. Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box first?) =============== Thank you, Jerry Howe, Director of Research, BIOSOUND Scientific Director of Training, Wits' End Dog Training 1611 24th St Orlando, FL 32805 Phone: 1-407-425-5092 The Puppy Wizard. <TPW;-)> ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES? ,-._,-, V)"(V (_o_) Have a great day! / V) (l l l) Your Puppy Wizzzard. <}YPW;~} > oo-oo |
