Re: Training problem

HOWEDY leah,

"Leah" <dfrntdrums@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041031231104.01064.00002146@mb-m26.aol.com...
> >"Phyloe" shlshl@sctelcom.net wrote:
>
> >The problem is when they get out the front
> > door into the yard. They ignore me when I
> > call them back.

Of curse, the first problem is the dogs ain't
trained not to bolt through the door. Of curse,
there's NO METHOD to train a dog not to bolt
HOWET the door.

THAT'S HOWE COME tara o. aka tee crated
her DEAD DOG Summer when the kids visited.
And THAT'S HOWE COME she WENT INSANE.

> <snip>

> >I think this is a dominate thing right?

Could be MENTAL ILLNESS.

> No, not in the least. It's a training thing.

Oh goody! You'll tell us HOWE to solve the problem.

> You simply didn't train them to come on command.

The PROBLEM is the dogs bolt HOWET the door.

THEN they don't come when called.

> >How do I get the two to come right away?

BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

> First of all, there are rules.

That so?

> If you use the word "come," I'd change it at this point.

TOO MANY WORDS, leah?

> They already know they can blow off a "come" command.

Oh. Well THAT makes sense. Teach them
the GO AWAY command and when they
BLOW THAT OFF they'll be COMIN.

> You want a powerful command that they
> are never allowed to blow off.

HOWE abHOWET sumpthin like "I COMMAND
YOU TO COME!!! - SHAAAZZZAAAMM!"

Works like FREAKIN MAGICK for The Amazing Puppy Wizard.

HOWEver, it might be TOO MANY WORDS for you.

> Secondly, while you're training,

Don't repeat "SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!" unless
you can ENFORCE IT. Right?

> be careful that you never call them with your
> come command and then do anything to them
> they consider unpleasant.

Like put them on leash for a nice choke?

> For example, if your greyhound hates her bath,
> you don't call her with your formal command and
> then plop her into the tub.

THAT'S INSANE.

Dogs LOVE to be bathed.

> What you want to do is condition them to think
> that your come command ALWAYS ends in
> something wonderful.

Like "SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!"

> Start in the house.

You'd be better off in neutral terrortory.

> Have somebody hold the dog, and you
> go across the room. Get her attention
> with the most cheery voice you have,
> wave a treat in the air, and say COME
> (or whatever your word is).

The Amazing Puppy Wizard PREFERS "I COMMAND
YOU TO COME! SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!" Works like
freakin MAGICK. Only BETTER.

> Tell your helper to let the dog go right after you
> say the word.

"SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!!!"

> If she still doesn't come, run up to her with
> the treat (or favorite toy, if she's not treat-motivated),
> wave it under her nose, and run backwards.

O.K. THEN say "SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!"

> Make it exciting. Whee! Come!

Make Gorilly S-HOWENDS.

> When she gets to you,

Repeat "SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!!!" and give IT a cookie.

> give her treats, love, praise, make it as much fun as you can.

Right.

> Practice this until the dog is eagerly
> coming to you every time you call.

When someWON is holding her. For a cookie.

> Then move to another room, where she can't see you.

O.K.

Then say "SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!"?

> Finally, move it outside - but on a long leash.
> That way if the dog doesn't come, you can
> gently reel her in

You mean FORCE her.

> (i.e., the COME command is not negotiable).

That so?

> Once you move it outside where there are more distractions,

Distractions increase thinking activity
and makes learning happen faster.

> start from close up like you did in the house (6' away
> or so). Slowly add distance.

You gonna SNEAK UP on the come command?

> When the dog is reliable, then you can start adding
> distractions to your practice. Start back in the house,
> at a close distance.

The idea is SHEER IDIOCY.

> (Every time you add a level of difficulty, back up
> to make the rest of it easier.)

You mean instead of trainin a 100% RELIABLE
come command as a conditional reflex in a few
minutes using NO BRIBES FEAR FORCE or
INTIMIDATION as The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual Students REPORT?

YOU CALL THEM LIARS. REMEMBER, leah?

> Here are the distractions you practice:
>
> 1. Leaving a distraction. Call her when she's
> involved in something, or somebody is playing
> with her.

BWEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!!

<SNIP IDIOCY>

> Every time she passes up a distraction to come to you,
> immediately bring her the distraction she passed up so
> she doesn't feel like she's lost anything by obeying.

THAT'S INSANE.

> Once your dog is conditioned to come when yo call,

HOWE long does THAT usually take, leah?

> start to wean off treats or any other reinforcers

Ahhh, the DIMINISHING REWARDS method.

> you're using - except praise, always use praise.

Unless your dog doesn't enjoy working for praise.

> Wean off by making it unpredictable when she'll
> get the reinforcer,

You mean, the PRAISE?

> and when she won't.

Oh. O.K.

> My dogs get a cookie about once every 10 or
> 20 times they come inside when I call them,
> yet they run eagerly.

UNLESS there's a DISTRACTION.

> But it took a while to get there.

THREE YEARS.

> Be patient,

Pack a lunch. IN FACT, while you're eatin
lunch you could STUDY your FREE copy
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual and follow the instructions and
you'd have a fairly reliable come command
by the time you finished your lunch.

> and move at your dog's pace.

Yeah. Let the dog tell you when IT is ready
to learn to take a cookie from you.

> If she ever starts to fail, back it up
> and make it easier so she can succeed.

You're a FRAUD, leah.

> Canine Action Dog Trainer
> http://www.canineaction.com

Here's your mentor lying abHOWET the come command:

"Lynn K." <javagsd@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:37cd72a9.0109081028.5fcc087d@posting.google.c om...
> "Jerry Howe" <jhowe2@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:<XKUl7.15254$VX3.770667@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>...
>
> > Hello People,
> > "Huh? I've Never Reeled In A Dog In My Life.
> > I Don't Like The Long Line Method And Don't
> > Use It." lynn k.
>
> > Read the following and then let's discuss proofing.
>
> Maybe you want to read it again, Jerry. I don't use the
> long line method of teaching a recall. You know, the
> old "give the command and reel the dog in" thing.

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosmakos@home.com)
Subject: Re: dog comes when he feels like it
Date: 1999/05/21

>"A.Waugh" wrote:
> Does this mean no trips to the fenced off-leash dog park ?
> At what age should a dog be trained 100% ?
> What about socialization?

I've found dog parks to be great places for proofing the
recall, even with young puppies. Let the pup play with
other pups, while on a long line.

Call the pup, reeling in if necessary, and praise the heck out
of him, then let him go play again. The reason this works so
well at the dog park is that the pup learns that leaving the
fun to obey the command doesn't mean the fun is over. A very
good thing to learn early.

Timing is critical here, because what you want
is for him to think about escaping, maybe even
start, but still have time to give the command
and have him decide to come back to you before
he hits the end of the long line.

The very 1st thing is to secure her while you're training
so she can't chase when you are preoccupied and can't
work with her.

And, yes, I've had more than a few "come to Jesus
meetings" with dogs over willful disobedience.
Example - pup who knows full well what a recall is
hits adolesence and decides that the recall is optional.

Putting him back on a long line and doing 5 fast
recalls is a "come to Jesus meeting". Or if he suddenly
decides that he can release himself from a down/stay
after being solid at it for 5 months, and turns it into a
catch-me game, a sharp downward collar correction
as you put him back into position is a "come to
Jesus meeting".

Don't infer from that description that
force is an intrinsic part of it, though, because it
isn't. I know that that is what you are trying to get at,
but you'd be very wrong.

Lynn K

BWEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

"The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWizard@EarthLink.Net> wrote in message
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> HOWEDY leah,
>
> "Leah" <dfrntdrums@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20041031231104.01064.00002146@mb-m26.aol.com...
> > >"Phyloe" shlshl@sctelcom.net wrote:
> >
> > >The problem is when they get out the front
> > > door into the yard. They ignore me when I
> > > call them back.
>
> Of curse, the first problem is the dogs ain't
> trained not to bolt through the door. Of curse,
> there's NO METHOD to train a dog not to bolt
> HOWET the door.
>
> THAT'S HOWE COME tara o. aka tee crated
> her DEAD DOG Summer when the kids visited.
> And THAT'S HOWE COME she WENT INSANE.
>
> > <snip>
>
> > >I think this is a dominate thing right?
>
> Could be MENTAL ILLNESS.
>
> > No, not in the least. It's a training thing.
>
> Oh goody! You'll tell us HOWE to solve the problem.
>
> > You simply didn't train them to come on command.
>
> The PROBLEM is the dogs bolt HOWET the door.
>
> THEN they don't come when called.
>
> > >How do I get the two to come right away?
>
> BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!
>
> > First of all, there are rules.
>
> That so?
>
> > If you use the word "come," I'd change it at this point.
>
> TOO MANY WORDS, leah?
>
> > They already know they can blow off a "come" command.
>
> Oh. Well THAT makes sense. Teach them
> the GO AWAY command and when they
> BLOW THAT OFF they'll be COMIN.
>
> > You want a powerful command that they
> > are never allowed to blow off.
>
> HOWE abHOWET sumpthin like "I COMMAND
> YOU TO COME!!! - SHAAAZZZAAAMM!"
>
> Works like FREAKIN MAGICK for The Amazing Puppy Wizard.
>
> HOWEver, it might be TOO MANY WORDS for you.
>
> > Secondly, while you're training,
>
> Don't repeat "SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!" unless
> you can ENFORCE IT. Right?
>
> > be careful that you never call them with your
> > come command and then do anything to them
> > they consider unpleasant.
>
> Like put them on leash for a nice choke?
>
> > For example, if your greyhound hates her bath,
> > you don't call her with your formal command and
> > then plop her into the tub.
>
> THAT'S INSANE.
>
> Dogs LOVE to be bathed.
>
> > What you want to do is condition them to think
> > that your come command ALWAYS ends in
> > something wonderful.
>
> Like "SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!"
>
> > Start in the house.
>
> You'd be better off in neutral terrortory.
>
> > Have somebody hold the dog, and you
> > go across the room. Get her attention
> > with the most cheery voice you have,
> > wave a treat in the air, and say COME
> > (or whatever your word is).
>
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard PREFERS "I COMMAND
> YOU TO COME! SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!" Works like
> freakin MAGICK. Only BETTER.
>
> > Tell your helper to let the dog go right after you
> > say the word.
>
> "SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!!!"
>
> > If she still doesn't come, run up to her with
> > the treat (or favorite toy, if she's not treat-motivated),
> > wave it under her nose, and run backwards.
>
> O.K. THEN say "SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!"
>
> > Make it exciting. Whee! Come!
>
> Make Gorilly S-HOWENDS.
>
> > When she gets to you,
>
> Repeat "SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!!!" and give IT a cookie.
>
> > give her treats, love, praise, make it as much fun as you
can.
>
> Right.
>
> > Practice this until the dog is eagerly
> > coming to you every time you call.
>
> When someWON is holding her. For a cookie.
>
> > Then move to another room, where she can't see you.
>
> O.K.
>
> Then say "SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!"?
>
> > Finally, move it outside - but on a long leash.
> > That way if the dog doesn't come, you can
> > gently reel her in
>
> You mean FORCE her.
>
> > (i.e., the COME command is not negotiable).
>
> That so?
>
> > Once you move it outside where there are more distractions,
>
> Distractions increase thinking activity
> and makes learning happen faster.
>
> > start from close up like you did in the house (6' away
> > or so). Slowly add distance.
>
> You gonna SNEAK UP on the come command?
>
> > When the dog is reliable, then you can start adding
> > distractions to your practice. Start back in the house,
> > at a close distance.
>
> The idea is SHEER IDIOCY.
>
> > (Every time you add a level of difficulty, back up
> > to make the rest of it easier.)
>
> You mean instead of trainin a 100% RELIABLE
> come command as a conditional reflex in a few
> minutes using NO BRIBES FEAR FORCE or
> INTIMIDATION as The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
> 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
> SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
> Training Method Manual Students REPORT?
>
> YOU CALL THEM LIARS. REMEMBER, leah?
>
> > Here are the distractions you practice:
> >
> > 1. Leaving a distraction. Call her when she's
> > involved in something, or somebody is playing
> > with her.
>
> BWEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!!
>
> <SNIP IDIOCY>
>
> > Every time she passes up a distraction to come to you,
> > immediately bring her the distraction she passed up so
> > she doesn't feel like she's lost anything by obeying.
>
> THAT'S INSANE.
>
> > Once your dog is conditioned to come when yo call,
>
> HOWE long does THAT usually take, leah?
>
> > start to wean off treats or any other reinforcers
>
> Ahhh, the DIMINISHING REWARDS method.
>
> > you're using - except praise, always use praise.
>
> Unless your dog doesn't enjoy working for praise.
>
> > Wean off by making it unpredictable when she'll
> > get the reinforcer,
>
> You mean, the PRAISE?
>
> > and when she won't.
>
> Oh. O.K.
>
> > My dogs get a cookie about once every 10 or
> > 20 times they come inside when I call them,
> > yet they run eagerly.
>
> UNLESS there's a DISTRACTION.
>
> > But it took a while to get there.
>
> THREE YEARS.
>
> > Be patient,
>
> Pack a lunch. IN FACT, while you're eatin
> lunch you could STUDY your FREE copy
> of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE
> WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
> Manual and follow the instructions and
> you'd have a fairly reliable come command
> by the time you finished your lunch.
>
> > and move at your dog's pace.
>
> Yeah. Let the dog tell you when IT is ready
> to learn to take a cookie from you.
>
> > If she ever starts to fail, back it up
> > and make it easier so she can succeed.
>
> You're a FRAUD, leah.
>
> > Canine Action Dog Trainer
> > http://www.canineaction.com
>
> Here's your mentor lying abHOWET the come command:
>
> "Lynn K." <javagsd@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:37cd72a9.0109081028.5fcc087d@posting.google.c om...
> > "Jerry Howe" <jhowe2@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:<XKUl7.15254$VX3.770667@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>...
> >
> > > Hello People,
> > > "Huh? I've Never Reeled In A Dog In My Life.
> > > I Don't Like The Long Line Method And Don't
> > > Use It." lynn k.
> >
> > > Read the following and then let's discuss proofing.
> >
> > Maybe you want to read it again, Jerry. I don't use the
> > long line method of teaching a recall. You know, the
> > old "give the command and reel the dog in" thing.
>
> From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosmakos@home.com)
> Subject: Re: dog comes when he feels like it
> Date: 1999/05/21
>
> >"A.Waugh" wrote:
> > Does this mean no trips to the fenced off-leash dog park ?
> > At what age should a dog be trained 100% ?
> > What about socialization?
>
> I've found dog parks to be great places for proofing the
> recall, even with young puppies. Let the pup play with
> other pups, while on a long line.
>
> Call the pup, reeling in if necessary, and praise the heck out
> of him, then let him go play again. The reason this works so
> well at the dog park is that the pup learns that leaving the
> fun to obey the command doesn't mean the fun is over. A very
> good thing to learn early.
>
> Timing is critical here, because what you want
> is for him to think about escaping, maybe even
> start, but still have time to give the command
> and have him decide to come back to you before
> he hits the end of the long line.
>
> The very 1st thing is to secure her while you're training
> so she can't chase when you are preoccupied and can't
> work with her.
>
> And, yes, I've had more than a few "come to Jesus
> meetings" with dogs over willful disobedience.
> Example - pup who knows full well what a recall is
> hits adolesence and decides that the recall is optional.
>
> Putting him back on a long line and doing 5 fast
> recalls is a "come to Jesus meeting". Or if he suddenly
> decides that he can release himself from a down/stay
> after being solid at it for 5 months, and turns it into a
> catch-me game, a sharp downward collar correction
> as you put him back into position is a "come to
> Jesus meeting".
>
> Don't infer from that description that
> force is an intrinsic part of it, though, because it
> isn't. I know that that is what you are trying to get at,
> but you'd be very wrong.
>
> Lynn K
>
>

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The Puppy Wizard	Re: Training problem HOWEDY leah, "Leah" <dfrntdrums@aol.com> wrote in message news:20041031231104.01064.00002146@mb-m26.aol.com... > >"Phyloe" shlshl@sctelcom.net wrote: > > >The problem is when they get out the front > > door into the yard. They ignore me when I > > call them back. Of curse, the first problem is the dogs ain't trained not to bolt through the door. Of curse, there's NO METHOD to train a dog not to bolt HOWET the door. THAT'S HOWE COME tara o. aka tee crated her DEAD DOG Summer when the kids visited. And THAT'S HOWE COME she WENT INSANE. > <snip> > >I think this is a dominate thing right? Could be MENTAL ILLNESS. > No, not in the least. It's a training thing. Oh goody! You'll tell us HOWE to solve the problem. > You simply didn't train them to come on command. The PROBLEM is the dogs bolt HOWET the door. THEN they don't come when called. > >How do I get the two to come right away? BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAAA!!! > First of all, there are rules. That so? > If you use the word "come," I'd change it at this point. TOO MANY WORDS, leah? > They already know they can blow off a "come" command. Oh. Well THAT makes sense. Teach them the GO AWAY command and when they BLOW THAT OFF they'll be COMIN. > You want a powerful command that they > are never allowed to blow off. HOWE abHOWET sumpthin like "I COMMAND YOU TO COME!!! - SHAAAZZZAAAMM!" Works like FREAKIN MAGICK for The Amazing Puppy Wizard. HOWEver, it might be TOO MANY WORDS for you. > Secondly, while you're training, Don't repeat "SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!" unless you can ENFORCE IT. Right? > be careful that you never call them with your > come command and then do anything to them > they consider unpleasant. Like put them on leash for a nice choke? > For example, if your greyhound hates her bath, > you don't call her with your formal command and > then plop her into the tub. THAT'S INSANE. Dogs LOVE to be bathed. > What you want to do is condition them to think > that your come command ALWAYS ends in > something wonderful. Like "SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!" > Start in the house. You'd be better off in neutral terrortory. > Have somebody hold the dog, and you > go across the room. Get her attention > with the most cheery voice you have, > wave a treat in the air, and say COME > (or whatever your word is). The Amazing Puppy Wizard PREFERS "I COMMAND YOU TO COME! SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!" Works like freakin MAGICK. Only BETTER. > Tell your helper to let the dog go right after you > say the word. "SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!!!" > If she still doesn't come, run up to her with > the treat (or favorite toy, if she's not treat-motivated), > wave it under her nose, and run backwards. O.K. THEN say "SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!" > Make it exciting. Whee! Come! Make Gorilly S-HOWENDS. > When she gets to you, Repeat "SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!!!" and give IT a cookie. > give her treats, love, praise, make it as much fun as you can. Right. > Practice this until the dog is eagerly > coming to you every time you call. When someWON is holding her. For a cookie. > Then move to another room, where she can't see you. O.K. Then say "SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!"? > Finally, move it outside - but on a long leash. > That way if the dog doesn't come, you can > gently reel her in You mean FORCE her. > (i.e., the COME command is not negotiable). That so? > Once you move it outside where there are more distractions, Distractions increase thinking activity and makes learning happen faster. > start from close up like you did in the house (6' away > or so). Slowly add distance. You gonna SNEAK UP on the come command? > When the dog is reliable, then you can start adding > distractions to your practice. Start back in the house, > at a close distance. The idea is SHEER IDIOCY. > (Every time you add a level of difficulty, back up > to make the rest of it easier.) You mean instead of trainin a 100% RELIABLE come command as a conditional reflex in a few minutes using NO BRIBES FEAR FORCE or INTIMIDATION as The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students REPORT? YOU CALL THEM LIARS. REMEMBER, leah? > Here are the distractions you practice: > > 1. Leaving a distraction. Call her when she's > involved in something, or somebody is playing > with her. BWEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!! <SNIP IDIOCY> > Every time she passes up a distraction to come to you, > immediately bring her the distraction she passed up so > she doesn't feel like she's lost anything by obeying. THAT'S INSANE. > Once your dog is conditioned to come when yo call, HOWE long does THAT usually take, leah? > start to wean off treats or any other reinforcers Ahhh, the DIMINISHING REWARDS method. > you're using - except praise, always use praise. Unless your dog doesn't enjoy working for praise. > Wean off by making it unpredictable when she'll > get the reinforcer, You mean, the PRAISE? > and when she won't. Oh. O.K. > My dogs get a cookie about once every 10 or > 20 times they come inside when I call them, > yet they run eagerly. UNLESS there's a DISTRACTION. > But it took a while to get there. THREE YEARS. > Be patient, Pack a lunch. IN FACT, while you're eatin lunch you could STUDY your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual and follow the instructions and you'd have a fairly reliable come command by the time you finished your lunch. > and move at your dog's pace. Yeah. Let the dog tell you when IT is ready to learn to take a cookie from you. > If she ever starts to fail, back it up > and make it easier so she can succeed. You're a FRAUD, leah. > Canine Action Dog Trainer > http://www.canineaction.com Here's your mentor lying abHOWET the come command: "Lynn K." <javagsd@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:37cd72a9.0109081028.5fcc087d@posting.google.c om... > "Jerry Howe" <jhowe2@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > news:<XKUl7.15254$VX3.770667@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>... > > > Hello People, > > "Huh? I've Never Reeled In A Dog In My Life. > > I Don't Like The Long Line Method And Don't > > Use It." lynn k. > > > Read the following and then let's discuss proofing. > > Maybe you want to read it again, Jerry. I don't use the > long line method of teaching a recall. You know, the > old "give the command and reel the dog in" thing. From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosmakos@home.com) Subject: Re: dog comes when he feels like it Date: 1999/05/21 >"A.Waugh" wrote: > Does this mean no trips to the fenced off-leash dog park ? > At what age should a dog be trained 100% ? > What about socialization? I've found dog parks to be great places for proofing the recall, even with young puppies. Let the pup play with other pups, while on a long line. Call the pup, reeling in if necessary, and praise the heck out of him, then let him go play again. The reason this works so well at the dog park is that the pup learns that leaving the fun to obey the command doesn't mean the fun is over. A very good thing to learn early. Timing is critical here, because what you want is for him to think about escaping, maybe even start, but still have time to give the command and have him decide to come back to you before he hits the end of the long line. The very 1st thing is to secure her while you're training so she can't chase when you are preoccupied and can't work with her. And, yes, I've had more than a few "come to Jesus meetings" with dogs over willful disobedience. Example - pup who knows full well what a recall is hits adolesence and decides that the recall is optional. Putting him back on a long line and doing 5 fast recalls is a "come to Jesus meeting". Or if he suddenly decides that he can release himself from a down/stay after being solid at it for 5 months, and turns it into a catch-me game, a sharp downward collar correction as you put him back into position is a "come to Jesus meeting". Don't infer from that description that force is an intrinsic part of it, though, because it isn't. I know that that is what you are trying to get at, but you'd be very wrong. Lynn K

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The Puppy Wizard	Re: Training problem BWEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!! "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWizard@EarthLink.Net> wrote in message news:%b5id.17068$5i5.12836@newsread2.news.atl.eart hlink.net... > HOWEDY leah, > > "Leah" <dfrntdrums@aol.com> wrote in message > news:20041031231104.01064.00002146@mb-m26.aol.com... > > >"Phyloe" shlshl@sctelcom.net wrote: > > > > >The problem is when they get out the front > > > door into the yard. They ignore me when I > > > call them back. > > Of curse, the first problem is the dogs ain't > trained not to bolt through the door. Of curse, > there's NO METHOD to train a dog not to bolt > HOWET the door. > > THAT'S HOWE COME tara o. aka tee crated > her DEAD DOG Summer when the kids visited. > And THAT'S HOWE COME she WENT INSANE. > > > <snip> > > > >I think this is a dominate thing right? > > Could be MENTAL ILLNESS. > > > No, not in the least. It's a training thing. > > Oh goody! You'll tell us HOWE to solve the problem. > > > You simply didn't train them to come on command. > > The PROBLEM is the dogs bolt HOWET the door. > > THEN they don't come when called. > > > >How do I get the two to come right away? > > BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAAA!!! > > > First of all, there are rules. > > That so? > > > If you use the word "come," I'd change it at this point. > > TOO MANY WORDS, leah? > > > They already know they can blow off a "come" command. > > Oh. Well THAT makes sense. Teach them > the GO AWAY command and when they > BLOW THAT OFF they'll be COMIN. > > > You want a powerful command that they > > are never allowed to blow off. > > HOWE abHOWET sumpthin like "I COMMAND > YOU TO COME!!! - SHAAAZZZAAAMM!" > > Works like FREAKIN MAGICK for The Amazing Puppy Wizard. > > HOWEver, it might be TOO MANY WORDS for you. > > > Secondly, while you're training, > > Don't repeat "SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!" unless > you can ENFORCE IT. Right? > > > be careful that you never call them with your > > come command and then do anything to them > > they consider unpleasant. > > Like put them on leash for a nice choke? > > > For example, if your greyhound hates her bath, > > you don't call her with your formal command and > > then plop her into the tub. > > THAT'S INSANE. > > Dogs LOVE to be bathed. > > > What you want to do is condition them to think > > that your come command ALWAYS ends in > > something wonderful. > > Like "SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!" > > > Start in the house. > > You'd be better off in neutral terrortory. > > > Have somebody hold the dog, and you > > go across the room. Get her attention > > with the most cheery voice you have, > > wave a treat in the air, and say COME > > (or whatever your word is). > > The Amazing Puppy Wizard PREFERS "I COMMAND > YOU TO COME! SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!" Works like > freakin MAGICK. Only BETTER. > > > Tell your helper to let the dog go right after you > > say the word. > > "SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!!!" > > > If she still doesn't come, run up to her with > > the treat (or favorite toy, if she's not treat-motivated), > > wave it under her nose, and run backwards. > > O.K. THEN say "SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!" > > > Make it exciting. Whee! Come! > > Make Gorilly S-HOWENDS. > > > When she gets to you, > > Repeat "SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!!!" and give IT a cookie. > > > give her treats, love, praise, make it as much fun as you can. > > Right. > > > Practice this until the dog is eagerly > > coming to you every time you call. > > When someWON is holding her. For a cookie. > > > Then move to another room, where she can't see you. > > O.K. > > Then say "SHAAAZZZAAAMMM!"? > > > Finally, move it outside - but on a long leash. > > That way if the dog doesn't come, you can > > gently reel her in > > You mean FORCE her. > > > (i.e., the COME command is not negotiable). > > That so? > > > Once you move it outside where there are more distractions, > > Distractions increase thinking activity > and makes learning happen faster. > > > start from close up like you did in the house (6' away > > or so). Slowly add distance. > > You gonna SNEAK UP on the come command? > > > When the dog is reliable, then you can start adding > > distractions to your practice. Start back in the house, > > at a close distance. > > The idea is SHEER IDIOCY. > > > (Every time you add a level of difficulty, back up > > to make the rest of it easier.) > > You mean instead of trainin a 100% RELIABLE > come command as a conditional reflex in a few > minutes using NO BRIBES FEAR FORCE or > INTIMIDATION as The Amazing Puppy Wizard's > 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY > SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog > Training Method Manual Students REPORT? > > YOU CALL THEM LIARS. REMEMBER, leah? > > > Here are the distractions you practice: > > > > 1. Leaving a distraction. Call her when she's > > involved in something, or somebody is playing > > with her. > > BWEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!! > > <SNIP IDIOCY> > > > Every time she passes up a distraction to come to you, > > immediately bring her the distraction she passed up so > > she doesn't feel like she's lost anything by obeying. > > THAT'S INSANE. > > > Once your dog is conditioned to come when yo call, > > HOWE long does THAT usually take, leah? > > > start to wean off treats or any other reinforcers > > Ahhh, the DIMINISHING REWARDS method. > > > you're using - except praise, always use praise. > > Unless your dog doesn't enjoy working for praise. > > > Wean off by making it unpredictable when she'll > > get the reinforcer, > > You mean, the PRAISE? > > > and when she won't. > > Oh. O.K. > > > My dogs get a cookie about once every 10 or > > 20 times they come inside when I call them, > > yet they run eagerly. > > UNLESS there's a DISTRACTION. > > > But it took a while to get there. > > THREE YEARS. > > > Be patient, > > Pack a lunch. IN FACT, while you're eatin > lunch you could STUDY your FREE copy > of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE > WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method > Manual and follow the instructions and > you'd have a fairly reliable come command > by the time you finished your lunch. > > > and move at your dog's pace. > > Yeah. Let the dog tell you when IT is ready > to learn to take a cookie from you. > > > If she ever starts to fail, back it up > > and make it easier so she can succeed. > > You're a FRAUD, leah. > > > Canine Action Dog Trainer > > http://www.canineaction.com > > Here's your mentor lying abHOWET the come command: > > "Lynn K." <javagsd@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:37cd72a9.0109081028.5fcc087d@posting.google.c om... > > "Jerry Howe" <jhowe2@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > > news:<XKUl7.15254$VX3.770667@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>... > > > > > Hello People, > > > "Huh? I've Never Reeled In A Dog In My Life. > > > I Don't Like The Long Line Method And Don't > > > Use It." lynn k. > > > > > Read the following and then let's discuss proofing. > > > > Maybe you want to read it again, Jerry. I don't use the > > long line method of teaching a recall. You know, the > > old "give the command and reel the dog in" thing. > > From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosmakos@home.com) > Subject: Re: dog comes when he feels like it > Date: 1999/05/21 > > >"A.Waugh" wrote: > > Does this mean no trips to the fenced off-leash dog park ? > > At what age should a dog be trained 100% ? > > What about socialization? > > I've found dog parks to be great places for proofing the > recall, even with young puppies. Let the pup play with > other pups, while on a long line. > > Call the pup, reeling in if necessary, and praise the heck out > of him, then let him go play again. The reason this works so > well at the dog park is that the pup learns that leaving the > fun to obey the command doesn't mean the fun is over. A very > good thing to learn early. > > Timing is critical here, because what you want > is for him to think about escaping, maybe even > start, but still have time to give the command > and have him decide to come back to you before > he hits the end of the long line. > > The very 1st thing is to secure her while you're training > so she can't chase when you are preoccupied and can't > work with her. > > And, yes, I've had more than a few "come to Jesus > meetings" with dogs over willful disobedience. > Example - pup who knows full well what a recall is > hits adolesence and decides that the recall is optional. > > Putting him back on a long line and doing 5 fast > recalls is a "come to Jesus meeting". Or if he suddenly > decides that he can release himself from a down/stay > after being solid at it for 5 months, and turns it into a > catch-me game, a sharp downward collar correction > as you put him back into position is a "come to > Jesus meeting". > > Don't infer from that description that > force is an intrinsic part of it, though, because it > isn't. I know that that is what you are trying to get at, > but you'd be very wrong. > > Lynn K > >