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"Suja" <spanaval@scs.gmu.edu> wrote in message news:2YN3b.32138$xf.21197@lakeread06... > Michael Krantz wrote: > > > Our Teenager has had a Chocolate lab puppy for > > a few months. She got her during the summer, > > and is now going back to school. > > Teenagers are generally not responsible enough > to take on complete care of the dog. That so? You mean like HOWER dog lovers here who always beg favors of their friends neighbor's and relatives to care for their HOWETA control dogs? > Do everyone a favor and accept the puppy to > be everyone's responsibility, especially the adults'. You mean, you got no TRAINING advice, suja? HOWE'S that broken arm of your you got when your dog pulled you dHOWEN chasin a critter? > When a child's social life/calendar clashes with > the needs of the puppy, That's when parents should teach appupriate behavior so the child LEARNS RESPONSIBILITY. > often the puppy becomes a lower priority. Yeah. Or they GET RID of their dogs, as gwen honey, nessa, and marie are fixin to do... or their dogs RUN HOWET on them, like peejoe's and gwen honey's dogs have done... or they EAT POISON, like perry's DEAD DOG Maggie done. > > She keeps her a cage at night, That'll increase ANXIETY, suja. Perhaps you shoulda mentioned that. > > and sometimes leaves her in the back yard > > for several hours (as when her friends visit). NO PROBLEMO. > A pup is the equivalent of a human baby. That so? Lucky thing you don't have no kids, you've had a hard enough time raising your HOWETA CONTROL dogs. > It is a very bad idea to leave them anywhere unsupervised. Only takes a couple HOWERS to train a dog, suja. > This goes double for a backyard where there is a pool. No suja, it's the same same same same. It's EZ to train a dog not to do STUFF, if you know HOWE. You don't know HOWE, all you know is avoidance and forced restraint. That's HOWE COME you broke your arm behind your dog's HOWETA CONTROL behavior. > > The puppy is really sweet, but I'm afraid she's > > turning into a barker from being in the back yard > > too much without getting attention. Takes MINUTES to break anxiety barking. > Bored, lonely dogs SLEEP, suja. Bored dogs SLEEP. > find lots of ways to amuse themselves, AnxiHOWES dogs "find ways to amuse themselves." > and barking is one of them. No. Barking is a SYMPTOM OF ANXIETY, suja. You're a half wit, you know that. > Keep the puppy with the humans and supervise > her activity as much as possible. Because you don't know HOWE to TRAIN a dog. > By doing so, you'll be teaching her how to live > with people, and what the rules are. NO. By doin so you'll be forcing control and the dog will never learn SELF CONTROL. > > Recently my wife bought a muzzle, so we can let her run > > around the house without chewing everything in sight. > > How is she ever going to learn what is appropriate > to chew and what is not? You tell us, suja? > It is up to you to teach her general house rules. That so? DO TELL? > Use the articles found here as a starting point - > http://www.ddfl.org/tips.htm#dog They KILL dogs there, suja. > Pay particular attention to the articles on puppy nipping, > chewing, their developmental stages, how to make them > a part of the family, etc. Is that where you learned to train your dog to be aggressive and break your goddamned arm? > > Advice, warnings, ideas are welcome. You got any advice, suja? > Puppies are a lot of work. Only if you use ineffective and inappuriate methods to force control... > And, it can be very rewarding work. You're a idiot, suja. > Enroll your puppy in a good puppy training class, Like you did? Your dog broke your arm and is still fear aggressive in pubic. > and train yourselves to work with her, to teach > her what is expected of her. You're a blowhard, suja. > Suja Here's two Pauls: Date: 5/22/03 11:24:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: p@cfl.rr.com To: Witsenddog@aol.com Well, let me tell you, your Wits' End Dog Training Method works. My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons around the barbecue on the patio. I used this system on four different occasions. When she went out today, she looked everywhere else but the barbecue. Amazing, just amazing. I will write to Amanda about the video. I am really excited to learn more, and understand. Maybe just a little reassurance that I am going about it the right way. Thanks again Paul > > ============================= ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric To: jhowe2@bellsouth.net Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM Subject: just checking in.. Jerry! You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago regarding submissive peeing. Just wanted to let you know he's doing great- he was "cured" in about 2 days using your techniques! He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"! Once I stopped thinking like a human and got inside his head, I can teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter of minutes. Makes me look like an expert dog-trainer. I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed 'em, and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside their heads and teach them to teach themselves how to be good dogs! Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward to working with these guys a couple times a day... Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T", I learned from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate their brain rather than beating ass or pinching, or any of that nonsense. I know damn well I would NOT be loyal to someone who beat MY ass lol! Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes out there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs. A horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in training his horses- he calls it "natural horsemanship". He is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows any more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it (pun intended)... Too cool.... Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work! Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Bousie To: The Puppy Wizard Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:00 AM Subject: Geday. Hey J, I see nothings changed on the NG. Still the same old crappy advice and misunderstanding of the only advice worth reading. The problem with your method J is that I can't answer the questions on the NG no more, people are after a quick fix, they don't want to understand that dog training requires a disiplined method, I'm now really understanding that they are all result orientated, they want the dog to sit, to down, to stay, to come, to stop it's "bad" behaviours, they want to stamp out each anxiety one at a time not realising they create a new one as they deal with the last. I feel sorry for them, they don't understand, they don't even realise the errors of thier ways and they arn't self thinkers, they follow the majority, after all if everyone says thats the way then it must be. I've finally realised people don't want to learn to train dogs they want a trained dog, they want a little puppet that sits and stays and downs and does all the nice doggy stuff or so they think, then when the dog acts like a dog they come squealing to the NG asking how to stop the dog being a dog. I have a nice little visulisation of a dogs mind that I think demonstrates the way we approach dog training. Imagine lots of little circles all in a cluster, each one representing a dog anxiety or behaviour ( desied or not), each circle represents something about the dog, all of them create what a dog is. The traditional way to train a dog is to stamp out the "bad" circles, try to eliminate as many as you can, problem is each one you stamp out another takes it's place (anxiety circles can't be destroyed they just change), obviously it's a futile exercise, but thats the traditional way. Now imagine a big circle that completely surrounds all the small circles, this big circle is the whole dog, that's what we get hold of with all the little circles inside, we don't see the little circles we see the BIG circle the macro as you put it and use that to train. I laugh now when I see posts critisising you, they are critising something they don't even understand or even have the capacity to understand. See ya, Paul =============== Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me! Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:33:36 -0500 Message-ID: uim43blqq1h67d@corp.supernews.com Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been using Jerry's methods with our dog. We had the same problem as the original poster has with Buzz. One day working with the family pack exercise and practicing the recall command with the family and she'll now go out with hubby and daughter instead of needing me to reassure her or even refusing to go with anyone but me. I really urge you, regardless of the negative things you might hear about Jerry & Wits' End here, to try the method and *judge the results for yourself*. Let's see what other areas she's improved in... always comes when called, not chewing stuff even if we leave it laying around, "re"housebroken after long shelter stay, walks perfectly on leash, doesn't try to steal food from our plates or beg... probably a few more things I'm forgetting to mention. *(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi and don't wander. jh). That's in about a week's time. Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive (except with her area/toys where she was possessive and nippy). She had been abused and beaten by previous owners, then she was in a shelter for months. They (most of them) wanted to give up and kill her Now she's gained confidence and trust with us. Last night was another big breakthrough (in my eyes). She barked! Big deal, she barked just once when she heard the front door. Great! Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about Jerry or that the Wits' End manual is culled from other sources. In my opinion, even if it is, it takes only the good stuff and leaves out the bad. Works for me. (And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know Jerry personally. I've emailed him and instant messaged him. I have not bought a "Doggy Do Right". He's offered help for free.) ----- M. -- Ms. Mick Owen Crneckiy http://www.crneckiy.com & http://tarot.crneckiy.com E-mail & MSN Messenger: mick@crneckiy.com AIM & Yahoo!: MickCrneckiy ~ ICQ: 72461227 ====================== From: Paul B (NOSPAMpaulbousie@clear.net.nz) Subject: Re: Dog vs cat food (stealing cat food) Date: 2001-03-03 22:18:03 PST It's possible to teach a dog not to eat out of a cat bowl without too much difficulty. My dogs don't touch the food in the cat bowls although Roz licks up any bits that have been dropped around the bowls :-) I used a can with stones in it to create a distraction anytime the dogs tried to eat the cats food, followed with immediate praise. It worked a treat. The cats bowls are down all the time, usually there is food left over but the dogs don't eat it, even if we go out and leave the dogs with access inside through a dog door. Paul -- Obedience and affection are not related, if they were everyone would have obedient dogs. See the dogs, cats, us and pics of NZ etc at my homepage..... http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/paulbousie/index.html Updated regularly (last time 23 Jan 01) so keep coming back!!! ==================== "Paul B" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message news:3edc57c5@clear.net.nz... > > "shaper" <nomail@nowhere.com> wrote in message > news:3edb6bbb@quokka.wn.com.au... > > I have been reading these forums for a few weeks > > now, and am getting really confused!! > > but is there actually anyone who has used the > > methods in this manual with any success ? 100% TOTAL NON PHYSICAL CONTROL, NEARLY INSTANTLY, BY NEARLY EVERY FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Student. It's the GENTLEST, FASTEST, MOST EFFECTIVE, NON FORCE, NON CONFRONTATIONAL, NON BRIBE, SCIENTIFIC and PSYCHOLOGICAL technique in the Whole Wild World, BAR NONE. > > I am wanting to get a rhodesian ridgeback soon > > and really would like to know the best and most > > effective way of training without using food treats > > or violence (i do agree with what the guy says > > about food treats and violence) > > Thanks for any intelligent replies > I have tried his methods and found them extremely > effective. There are several areas in particular I > found useful. > > He teaches you and the dog to pay attention to each > other all the time. He teaches you to have such good > communication with your dog you don't need leash > corrections or shock collars or even food, you can get > the dogs attention any time you like by calling it or with > a snap of your fingers. > > When I trained both my dogs to "heel" or walk close > to me I ended up going to the parks and teaching > them without a lead at all, that ensured I had to use > good communication and was unable to be tempted > to use the lead to correct them. > > Another part of the training I agree with is not using > the "policeman" approach, where you tell a dog "no" > or react with it in such a way that you become involved > in the behaviour (by trying to stop it), this approach > often results in a dog ceasing the behaviour when you > are about but doing it when you aren't (bin raiding, > counter surfing etc). > > Basically you are taught to make your dog a good > friend who likes and wants to work for you for the > pleasure of working for you (setting the hierarchy > is included in this), teach it to recall reliably, > then to do everything else (sit, stay down etc etc). > > Unwanted behaviours are addressed as they occur. > If you understand what you are trying to achieve and > are prepared to work with it you can get great results. > > Paul =============================== > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Fitz [mailto:donfitz69@hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, 28 February 2003 11:53 a.m. > To: Amanda@DCFWatch.com; paulbousie@clear.net.nz > Subject: Jerry Howe > > Hi, > Jerry uses your email in his posts and I was wondering > what you have to say of his training methods. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Bousie" <paulbousie@clear.net.nz> To: "'Don Fitz'" <donfitz69@hotmail.com>; <Amanda@DCFWatch.com> Cc: <jhowe2@bellsouth.net> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 5:45 AM Subject: RE: Jerry Howe > If you have read the newsgroup posts then you must > already have a good idea about what I think. > > > His methods are the best I have come across. They > aren't a quick fix but an entire training concept so if > you aren't in for the long haul then don't bother. If > you go his way then you have to forget all the other > gibberish that other people spew, you have to believe > in what you are doing, then and only then will you get > the results. > > > You can't combine his methods with other training > methods, not until you understand what you are > trying to achieve, and even then I have only ever > combined about 2 other trainers ideas and even > then just a snip of what they suggest which works > in parallel with the Wits End concept. > > His methods make you as the trainer completely > responsible for your actions, his methods make > you think and work out your own solutions for > any given situation, the default (the recall) is > always there to get things under control again. > > > His ideas and concepts teach you to work with > the dog, to develop a team and a willingness to > work together which is surely the best way to be. > His methods don't use force or intimidation but > they do totally emphasize the absolute importance > of pack (family pack) structure, without that you > can achieve almost nothing. > > If you are wondering how a dog can be trained > without any negativity the answer lies in the recall, > anytime your dog doesn't follow through with a > request you call him / her to you, since the recall > is the first thing taught and it is taught in such a > way it becomes a reflex the dog always returns > to you, it is a subordinate position for the dog and > we release it by asking for a "heel" which is an > "equal" position. > > His methods are very good, his understanding of > dogs is excellent, I recommend his methods. : > Paul Bousie ============================== "Paul B" <panders@zfree.co.nz> wrote in message news:3c2ae204@clear.net.nz... > Bollocks, the manual has no dangerous suggestions at > all, people who find the manual useful are those that > don't need to control a dog to satisfy their own ego > but simply want a well behaved dog that is easy to > live with. I would suggest the people who follow the > advice in his manual are people who have already > tried other inefficient methods and are fed up with > the poor results. > The more I think about the methods he suggests the > more sense it makes, the biggest problem is people > believe they have to be in control of the dog, tell it > whats right and wrong, dogs don't understand > our values and I don't believe they are capable of > understanding them either, so to train them we use > methods they understand. That means abstract > training, doing sometimes what appears to > almost be the opposite of what makes sense to us. > If you are purely result orientated then you will not > find Jerry's manual much use, if you love your dogs > and love to work WITH them then his manual is > your dream come true. Distraction and praise works > with any dog, when you sit back and really think about > it, it's very obvious why. > When a dog is properly distracted (and praised) of a > particular behaviour then that behaviour very quickly > becomes unfulfilling so the dog will no longer have any > interest in pursuing it, whether we are about or not, > thats the key to stopping garbage can raids and food > stealing etc etc, no force, no bad dog, just distracting it > in an appropriate manner that it no longer wishes to > pursue that behaviour. > Better than hiding the garbage can eh? > Paul ======================= Subject: Re: Get off the bed... please? Paul B (NOSPAMpaulbousie@clear.net.nz) Subject: Good dogs!!! bad dogs.?? Date: 2000/10/21 Something occurred this morning that made me think how we treat our dogs and what expectations we have of them. Because it was a Saturday we slept in and the dogs eventually jumped up on the bed on my wife's side. After a brief greeting she very abruptly demanded they get down, "OFF THE BED" she insisted, Sam looked at her perplexed, so she repeated the "order", so Sam tried to lick her face, "GET OFF" she said abruptly. Sam got down but was unsure what he had done wrong. After a bit they both came over and jumped up on my side, I patted them etc and eventually asked them to get down, "off the bed, good dogs" and they hopped off immediately with no prob's. Eileen asked me why they obey me and not her so easily. I told her they got down for me because I asked them to, they know the command "off the bed" or "off anything" so there is no need to demand it of them, ask them and they will comply, demand it and they get confused because they think you are annoyed with them but they don't know why so they try to "make amends" which is why Sam licked her. I have found giving dogs "payment" in advance i.e. "Sam sit goodboy" makes the dogs want to respond, after all, all dogs want to be "good dogs" and if you tell them they are good then they feel an obligation to obey your request. Telling Sam he's a good dog after he sit's apart from been too late is also a gamble because if he doesn't sit then there's no positive interaction. Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say "good dog" sincerely at the end of the request and I bet you'll find your dog thinking then responding everytime. Paul ======================= From: Paul B (NOSPAMpanders@zfree.co.nz) Subject: Re: Get off the bed... please? Date: 2001-07-03 03:05:59 PST A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies to every aspect of the relationship with your dog. Paul. ======================== Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me! Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:33:36 -0500 Message-ID: uim43blqq1h67d@corp.supernews.com Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been using Jerry's methods with our dog. We had the same problem as the original poster has with Buzz. One day working with the family pack exercise and practicing the recall command with the family and she'll now go out with hubby and daughter instead of needing me to reassure her or even refusing to go with anyone but me. I really urge you, regardless of the negative things you might hear about Jerry & Wits' End here, to try the method and *judge the results for yourself*. Let's see what other areas she's improved in... always comes when called, not chewing stuff even if we leave it laying around, "re"housebroken after long shelter stay, walks perfectly on leash, doesn't try to steal food from our plates or beg... probably a few more things I'm forgetting to mention. *(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi and don't wander. jh). That's in about a week's time. Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive (except with her area/toys where she was possessive and nippy). She had been abused and beaten by previous owners, then she was in a shelter for months. They (most of them) wanted to give up and kill her Now she's gained confidence and trust with us. Last night was another big breakthrough (in my eyes). She barked! Big deal, she barked just once when she heard the front door. Great! Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about Jerry or that the Wits' End manual is culled from other sources. In my opinion, even if it is, it takes only the good stuff and leaves out the bad. Works for me. (And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know Jerry personally. I've emailed him and instant messaged him. I have not bought a "Doggy Do Right". He's offered help for free.) Ms. Mick Owen Crneckiy http://www.crneckiy.com & http://tarot.crneckiy.com E-mail & MSN Messenger: mick@crneckiy.com AIM & Yahoo!: MickCrneckiy ~ ICQ: 72461227 ====================== "Charlie Wilkes" <charlie_wilkes@easynews.com wrote in message news: pjaootcg8dgrptuu96383933eqk2jjp7b2@4ax.com... I read up on rotties, pitbulls, etc., and quite a bit of the literature suggested I needed to assert my dominance and "make the dog earn everything it gets." I tried this once or twice, just by taking a stern tone of voice, and the results were terrible. The pup got scared and just wanted to stay away from me. That's why I support Jerry Howe and his FREE Wits' End Dog Training manual -- that and the fact that Jerry is an all-around great guy. The core takeaway I got from Jerry's manual is this: make yourself the center of your puppy's world - - his personal Lord Jesus. Never give him a reason to fear you or think you're angry. Love the heck out of him, and you'll end up with a great dog. This has truly worked with my puppy. She'll do anything I want her to, if she understands, because she trusts me 100 percent, and nothing is more important in her world than her relationship with me. http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy Charlie ========================= <"Terri"@cyberhighway > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth! > Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs > come forward and actually believe in his training manual. Robert Crim writes: I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the posts of Marylin Rammell to believe and use it. This naive child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marylin for putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped his last gasp. To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake names are more honest than people that use their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and lived by their craft for decades. "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that people like Jerry Howe and Marylin Rammell are going to just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don't really care. > And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and actually > admit to buying and having success with his little black > box. I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll never know. > Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by > Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to > him! LOL! I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right. >Terri Yes it was, and that is sad. Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box first?) Hello People, Robert Crim was a former Gang Of Thugs Member, and hated me a much as the rest of our Thugs do. Robert was a long time friend and prominent contributor to rpdb, till Jerry came along and smartened him up. He learned the hard way, and no longer posts to his former pals, because it is just too painful knowing his pals would rather HURT and KILL their dogs than to admit that JERRY is RIGHT. ---------------------------------------------- "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives." -Leo Tolstoy- Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?: CAVEAT If you have to do things to your dog to train him that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn't be doing them. If you have a dog trainer who tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, chin cuff, scruff shake or punish your dog in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won't think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can't train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows HOWE. Thank you, Jerry Howe, Director of Research, BIOSOUND Scientific Director of Training, Wits' End Dog Training 1611 24th St Orlando, FL 32805 Phone: 1-407-425-5092 Phone: 1-888-BIOSOUND (1-888-246-7686) Phone: 1-888-WITSEND (1-888-948-7363) http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed. -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after. Who ever can't hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all. -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits' End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow to make him smarter. The Wits' End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding. -Jerry Howe- The Puppy Wizard. <}TPW ; ~ ) > ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES? ,-._,-, V)"(V (_o_) Have a great day! / V) (l l l) Your Puppy Wizzzard. <}YPW ; ~ } > oo-oo |