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Default Re: Tracking and S&R questions

HOWEDY marie,

"Marie" <mmbarkcw@rogers.com.goaway> wrote in message
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>
> A truly tragic story has been unfolding around
> here for the last week: A 53yo, non-verbal,
> eppileptic, autistic man with the mental age of
> a preschooler wandered away from his group
> home 8 days ago and hasn't been seen since.
> Police and volunteers have been scouring the
> area in search of him--today the marine unit
> began searching Lake Ontario :-(
>
> As I pray for him and his family, the news coverage
> has me asking some basic questions about S&R
> and the use of tracking dogs in cases like this:


We got some EXXXPERT SAR and tracking people
unlike the obedience trainers who couldn't tell you
HOWE to train your dog not to C-HOWENTER SURF.

REMEMBER?

They told you to SHOCK your dog.

Perhaps they FORGOT the dogs who'd attacked
people on accHOWENT of gettin shocked?

> 1. Growing up, I always read that the best trackers
> were Bloodhounds.


Hence the name.

> And yet I rarely (if ever) see news shots of
> police using Bloodhounds as search dogs.


Yeah. But even when you do see BH's bein
worked their performance ain't no better on
accHOWENT of HOWE they're trained.

> Indeed, all the coverage of this case show
> Labs and GSDs being used exclusively.


A dog is a dog. HOWE COME the SAR dogs
in the Chandra Levy case couldn't FIND the
bones in the park, even given a MAP; HOWE
COME the SAR dogs in the Elizabeth Smart
case (at least WON was a BH) DIDN'T FIND
the victim despite being within human hearing
range of the K-9 search party; and HOWE
COME the BODY DOGS in the Laura Hatching
case COULDN'T FIND the body in the dump
they KNEW she was in?

> Are all breeds equal when it comes to tracking?


Don't you think a decaying human body is
gonna stink better than any grocery store,
restaurant or family GARBAGE?

HOWE COME these dogs FAILED to make their EZ finds?

On accHOWENT of HOWE they was trained.

> And if Bloodhounds truly are the best,
> why aren't they employed more often?


There's no reason.

> Are there breed characteristics of the Bloodhound
> that negatively outweigh their great noses?


Ask lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn. She's got
LOTS of SAR EXXXPERIENCE with BH's.

> 2. In the news coverage, you always see the dogs
> being used in conjunction with massive human efforts.


If you look closely you'll see they're on pronged
spiked pinch and slip choke collars and gettin bribed.

> Wouldn't it be better to let the dogs out there
> alone, so that there aren't hundreds of human
> scents for them to have to sift through to find
> the one they want?


Yeah. But don't think of it like that. Dogs noses
don't have to work at distinguishing scents any
MOORE than you would a perfume.

> 3. It was drizzly for most of the first few days
> this man was missing: doesn't rain/water wash
> away scent?


Might intensify it.

> (After all, the movies show people
> running through creeks to elude the
> searchers all the time)


Not a WIZE idea. The scent will ride the
surface of the water like it was ice skating.

> 4. I hear about S&R dogs, and also about
> "Cadaver Dogs." Are they mutually exclusively
> trained animals, or will one dog do both?


You can train a dog for all scents.

> When in the search process would the
> call be made to start using a Cadaver dog
> instead of a S&R dog?


lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn can tell you
all abHOWET that, seein as she runs the
Left Coast SAR Operations Center NHOWE
that her SELECTIVELY BRED HAND PICKED
SAR dog JIVE is in early RETIREMENT.

> This isn't morbid curiousity on my part:


Yeah. You're tryin to EMBARRASS your
pals who told you to shock your dog to
break her of C-HOWENTER SURFIN.

REMEMBER?

BWEEEEAAHAHAHAAAAA!!!

> I've always thought the coolest thing you
> could do with a dog is save lives.


Yeah. lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn got
some marvelHOWES SAR tails.

> Watching the news I realize that, for all
> my interest, I really don't know much about
> the field.


Well, we got a EXXXPERT SAR trainer who
really does have a SAR dog who really does
work SAR sites, unlike your mentally ill pal
lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn:

> Marie




From: Mike (m.biddisc@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-20 15:22:52 PST

From: Lynn K. (javagsd@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-20 03:06:20 PST

"Alpha" <david@davidthedogman.com> wrote in
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> >02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>...
> > The biggest single point with his method
> > not working is what do you do when your
> > dog does not follow your request?

>
> He avoids that by never asking a dog for
> much. Simple, huh?
>
> His real ignorance of any form of training
> glows whenever he tries to address
> specifics. Boners like thinking field
> trainers hit dogs with bumpers or
> saying he takes dogs to a temperature that
> would cause permanent brain damage or
> recommending bite training for fear biters.
>
> The 2nd part of his manual is just laughable
> in piss-poor instructions for basic obedience
> commands, full of mistakes that not even the
> most novice trainer wouldn't make.
>
> It's a joke.
>
> Lynn K.


That a fact Lynn?

How would you Lynn solve a dog who is lean on
drift while blind running to a target?

You use jerry's manual and apply the concepts
that are universal to correction.

Your a twitt Lynn.

He needs an editor but the raw data works.

Mike

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash
on and pass it through the crate door.
Attach a line to it. When he barks, use the
line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark
collar.

Lynn K.

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

From: Mike (m.biddisc@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST

> > Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya
> > nuff said.
> >
> > Mike

>
> Ok Mike which part worked for you?
>


It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction
technique. Works like a charm. My dogs get
distracted easy from their jobs
ie, retrieving or training to find lost
people, oh did I mention that I am a Search
and Rescue Team Leader.

Sorry that slipped my mind.

I have read volumes of training books and
don't know where people get that Jerry copied
others work as I have NEVER come across his
methods before. I would like to see proof.

Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems
one at at time as they arose. I used to try
and train to the way I wanted them but this is
backward, you train out the problems leaving
what you want left over.

Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the
first dog.

Seemed he learned through osmosis.

Nice side benefit there.

It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd
party trainer as they were not performing
well. The VAST majority of working dog
trainers are aggressive in their actions with
the dogs. I tried it and it didn't
work and guess what I was at my "Whits End"
then someone I new turned me onto Jerry and
the rest is history.

I referred friends and families to Jerry's
manual and all have had great results.
Starting puppies out on the distraction
technique is especially good because
they never develop the habit.

I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night
home following Jerrys advice we ditched the
crate and put the pup on the floor beside the
bed and after 2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF
THAT DOG FOR 6 HRS! first night,
that has never happened in all my days.

Sorry, the man understands dogs its that
simple.

Mike

From: Mike (m.biddisc@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Should I put the Puppy Wizard in my
killfile? Date: 2003-12-04 08:50:03 PST

"chris christanis" <cchrista@rochester.rr.com> wrote
in message
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> Simple yes or no will do. But you can elaborate if
> you want.


Chris,

The wizard is a great source of training information.
I have used his ideas and they do indeed work.

The people who flame him have either never tried his
training approach or don't care enough to.

That being said he is not PC and pisses a lot of
people off thus he gets bad press. If you can live
with that then he has a lot of good to say.

He has all dogs best interest at heart.

Nuff said.

Mike

From: Mike (m.biddisc@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-16 15:15:01 PST

> There's a huge literature on dog training using
> positive methods, including the material that Jerry
> plagiarized.


Funny, I found almost none based on non evasive
protocol in EVERY bookstore
I go into.

> Jerry's stuff is an incoherent hodge-podge of
> stuff he's lifted from other sources


Prove his whole manual is lifted or even a part.

His method is the first of its kind I have heard of in
a document.

> and because there's no core philosophy or training arc"


Huh? I think his core philosophy is clear enough, get
on the dogs level and treat them with respect and they
will perform for you. WTF is a training arc? Is that
something all dog owners should know?

> you may be able to learn spot stuff here and
> there it probably won't help you over the longer run.


I used his methods to stop several out of control dogs
of mine and friends/family permanently (I guess thats
as long run as you get huh).

What it boils down to is Jerry's manual needs
rewriting and an editor no question. But the million
dollar question is DOES IT WORK?

My answer is YES!! better than any other
method I have ever tried.

You're better off going to the original authors.

Who are they and where do I get their FREE! books?

I am not a Jerry Howe groupy and don't spend much time
supporting him, but I do check up time to time on some
NG's to see how his method is being recieved.

I don't know Jerry or get paid by Jerry, all I know is
what his FREE method has done for me and my dogs.

I don't judge anything by its cover, Jerry and his
manual are no different.

Mike



 
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