ThePetAlchemist@FastMail.FM

HOWEDY fassen,

You're a big talker for someWON who'd FIXIN TO MURDER her
own dog for THE SAME PROBLEM:

Fassen wrote:
> "toothpick" <tooth.pick@att.net> wrote in message
> news:1114740469.967843.100660@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
> > Let me make a few things clear. My dogs names are Cairo (Alpha) and
> > Kira. I love them both very much and have never laid a hand on them
> > other than to flip them over when they attempt to fight me or do
> > something they know not to do. And I only did that for about 2
weeks
> > with Cairo while I was housebreaking him. To say that is the entire
> > cause of this recent aggretion is just completely unacceptable to
me.
> >
> > I will never flip him over again, but thats not gonna change
anything.
> >
> > So if I can't flip him over or grab his ear or yell at him. How am
I
> > going to get him to stop growling at everybody when they touch his
> > neck? Am I supposed to sit him down and explain to him that it
bothers
> > people when he does that? Or am I supposed to allow him to destroy
my
> > house so he will be happy.
> >
> > Let me repeat my first question. WHAT IS THE SOLUTION???
>
> Okay, let's see. You say that you have "never" laid a hand on them --
other
> than to "flip them over" when they "attempt to fight" you. Or if they
do
> "something" that they know not to do.
>
> "Never" isn't correct, then. Flipping them over is the same as laying
a hand
> on them. You say you do this when they (and you say "they", not "he")

> attempt to fight you.
>
> Why do your dogs attempt to fight you? Do they both do this?
>
> You also flip them over when they do something they know not to do.
Can you
> give us examples? And have you actually taught them, in a
conventional,
> non-physical way, not to do what they're not supposed to do? Or do
you flip
> them over the first time they do something that *you* know is wrong,
but
> *they* have never actually been taught not to do?
>
> You also say -- ohmygod! -- that you did this for about 2 weeks of
> housebreaking? You flipped a PUPPY over, a puppy who was so little
that he
> wasn't clean yet, for attempting to **fight** you or do something
that he
> knew (???) not to do? Did you flip him over for going potty on the
floor,
> too? If not, what other things caused you to treat him that way?
>
> I pity you for your insistance to continue doing what doesn't work,
because
> *you* want to fight fire with fire, rather than putting the fire out.
>
> You come in here, and you tell us that your preferred modes of
punishment
> don't work. Your methods are focussed entirely on negative response,
> including alpha rolls, ear grabbing, and yelling. And they don't
work. And
> you ask for advice.
>
> But when people's advice you to stop with the physical punishment and
start
> with actual training, including things that'll make your dog look up
to you
> and trust you, you get furious.
>
> You repeatedly ask for the SOLUTION, although you've been given many.
Give
> the dogs up. Take the dogs inside and train them properly. Make them
work
> for their food. Take the dogs to a obedience training class. Consult
a dog
> therapist. Give them exercise. And so on.
>
> But you insist that the SOLUTION should include flipping, ear
grabbing, and
> yelling. No training. Just punishment.
>
> What did you expect? Something like "Use the alpha roll twice as
often",
> "Use the alpha roll and yell into his face", "Use the alpha roll, but
hold
> him down until he pees on himself", "Grab his ears and twist them
until he
> screams", or something along those lines?
>
> If you were having problems with a child, for instance that he
smashed a
> vase in fury when told to go to bed, would you flip *him* over, grab
his
> ear, and yell at him like you do with your dogs? Probably not,
because he's
> just a child. But it's different with the dogs, right? They should
know
> better, because they've been punished like that before.
>
> I suspect -- no, I'm absolutely certain -- that you'll continue using
those
> methods, and when they continue not to work, you'll use them with
more
> force. And more often. Until one day, poor Cairo will lose it. And
he'll
> cause you or someone else in your family serious harm. And then
you'll have
> him euthanized, telling the vet that he was simply too aggressive.
And the
> dog bite statistics will get another addition. Another "dangerous
dog".
>
> Rox