Re: Syberian Husky Gone Mad???

HOWEDY malinda,

Melinda Shore wrote:
> In article <1114718176.642759.83780@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups. com>,
> toothpick <tooth.pick@att.net> wrote:
> >Please somebody tell me how I should cope with this problem
> >and get my husky to realize he is NOT the leader of my pack,

Seems the PROBLEM is the alpha method AGAIN, eh malinda?

> > I am???

INDEEDY! This is a "ME" problem, not a dog behavior problem.

> It seems more likely to me that the issue here is that your
> dog can't figure out why you've started getting aggressive
> with him and is trying to protect himself.

Does that matter, if the dog KNOWS HOWE COME
you're THREATENING and INTIMIDATING him, malinda?

> I wouldn't swear to it

Wouldn't matter anyHOWE malinda, you're a PROVEN LYING
DOG ABUSING PUNK THUG COWARD MENTAL CASE <{) ; ~ ) >

> but Siberians,

A dog is a dog, malinda <{) ; ~ ) >

> as easy as they are to get along with in general,

Sez who? Huskies got a REPUTATION for not bein trainable.

> will tend to become defensive more easily than some other breeds.

That so? You mean when they're ABUSED.

> I've seen other Siberians turn into fear biters when

When they been ABUSED <{) ; ~ ) >

> their owners alpha rolled them

LIKE THAT.

> or were otherwise heavy-handed.

YOU MEAN ABUSED <{) ; ~ ) >

> I think that the key to your problem,

Is ABUSE <{) ; ~ ) >

NHOWE that we know HOWE COME dogs TURN on
their owners we can FIGGER HOWET HOWE to
teach them NOT TO FEAR BEING ABUSED someMOORE.

CAN'T WE, malinda <{) ; ~ ) >

> actually, is your decision not to do much training

TRAINING is HOWE COME dogs FEAR their owners, malinda.

> because the dogs are "hard-headed."

You mean they DON'T LIKE being bribed forced and abused.

> Siberians can do quite well with obedience training
> as long as you take care not to bore them

BORED DOGS SLEEP, malinda <{) ; ~ ) >

> and not to be heavy-handed.

That so?

> In fact, if you don't put energy into training them

Care to clarify THAT? S-HOWENDS like you're blowin
smoke up HOWER arses again, malinda you dog abusing
simpleton <{) ; ~ ) >

> they're more likely to become bored,

BORED DOGS SLEEP.

> ill- mannered,

They're ANIMALS, malinda <{) ; ~ ) >

> pushy, and uncooperative.

Those are LEARNED QUALITIES, malinda.

> I really don't think there's much you can do about cats

Kats, malinda? KATS AIN'T GOT PROBLEMS on accHOWENT
of people TEND to leave them alone <{) ; ~ ) >

> except keep them away from your dog.

Dogs and kats can be TRAINED to LIKE each other
NEARLY INSTANTLY if you know HOWE to pupperly
handle and train a critter, malinda <{) ; ~ ) >

> Siberians are extremely predatory.

That so? They don't walk nice on leash or come
when called or stay behind shock fences well,
accordin to the EXXXPERT Sibe lovers <{) ; ~ ) >

> That does not mean, however, that they're predatory towards humans.

His dog wasn't fixin to EAT the kat or he woulda.

> Dollars to doughnuts that the change in the dog's behavior
> has to do with a change in *your* behavior, not because he
> got to kill a kitten.

Notwithstandin the FACT that the dog MURDERED the kat
on accHOWENT of the original poster PROVOKED the dog
and made the kat a valuable commodity to be fought over.

> I'd lay off the alpha rolls and all that physical dominance nonsense

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

> and start making the dog work for everything it
> gets (no dinner unless he sits for it, no pets unless he
> sits for it, and so on).

BWEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!!

THAT'S INSANE.

> I'd also give serious consideration to talking to a behaviorist,

A WIZE IDEA. Invite your BEHAVIORIST to TALK BUSINESS
with The Amazing Puppy Wizard RIGHT HERE on The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Forum and SCHOOL of HARD KNOCKS and HUMAN BEHAVIOR
RESEARCH LABORATORY <{) ; ~ ) >

> because I'm pretty sure you're not going to be able
> to work this out on your own.

On accHOWENT of you don't know HOWE to train a dog
not to be afraid of bein jerked choked shocked sprayed
in the face with aversives crated bribed and intimidated.

> And I'd definitely, *definitely* get the dog into
> a beginner obedience class.

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHHAHAAAAA!!!

WON like janet, leah, lying frosty dahl, jo wolf
lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn, booby maida, uncle
matty, and captain arthur haggerty teach, malinda?

> --
> Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -
shore@panix.com
> Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

Lynn K.

"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.

------------------------------*---

You AIN'T SEEN NUTHIN YET...

"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:

"This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20

ginge...@my-deja.com wrote:
> How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.

Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.

"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.

Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
whatever other reward system was being used."

8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled).

If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
voice and the collar.

This is important - the correction must be physically
very strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need
to be corrected at all)."

Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message
<news:04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@TeraNews>.. .

Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
quotes are true.

In the posts below you take responsibility for
making those calls.

In your post above, you state you do not
make those calls.

Which one is it?

WORDS OF WISDOM
from our own Lynn Kosmakos
1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day
For Twenty Years

I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM

"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-
depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50
mg of Zoloft every day.

I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to
learn more, while happily sharing pertinent
information I have learned. But if I were ever
to post such sh*t, I would hope that every other
reader of this group would be rightfully outraged."

"Community is an evolutionary thing that we
earn the right to participate in by observing
the easily understood rules and contributing
to in constructive ways."

Lynn K.

------------------------------*--------

If you knew anything abHOWET HOWE dogs are traditionally
handled and trained you'd KNOW HOWE COME dogs BECOME AFRAID
enough to attack people or other innocent critters "FOR NO
REASON".

Dogs DON'T DO things for "NO REASON".

Take ANY LIVING CRITTER and lock IT in a box with
no food water or toilet and spray IT with aversives
when IT cries or IGNORE his cries and jerk and choke
IT on pronged spiked pinch choke collars and shock
scruff shake alpha roll bribe and physically restrain
IT and you'll quickly TRAIN a very dangerHOWES criminal.

"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
Never Change,
Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Would Not Obtain
Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
For All Handler's
And All Dogs,
For ALL FIELDS And ALL UTILITIES
ALL OVER
The Whole Wild World
NEARLY INSTANTLY,
As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,"
The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >

You can TRAIN ANY DOG KAT BIRDY or CHILD
in a few minutes to NATURALLY WANT to do ANY
THING you ask if you DON'T follow the ADVICE of
the lying dog kat birdy and child abusing MENTAL
CASES you're askin for HEELP.

You GET The Critter You TRAINED

A DOG Is A Dog;
As A KAT Is A KAT;
As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.

ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING

ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.

Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

Here's your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual: http://makeashorterlink.com/?G***34D2527A

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ThePetAlchemist@FastMail.FM	Re: Syberian Husky Gone Mad??? HOWEDY malinda, Melinda Shore wrote: > In article <1114718176.642759.83780@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups. com>, > toothpick <tooth.pick@att.net> wrote: > >Please somebody tell me how I should cope with this problem > >and get my husky to realize he is NOT the leader of my pack, Seems the PROBLEM is the alpha method AGAIN, eh malinda? > > I am??? INDEEDY! This is a "ME" problem, not a dog behavior problem. > It seems more likely to me that the issue here is that your > dog can't figure out why you've started getting aggressive > with him and is trying to protect himself. Does that matter, if the dog KNOWS HOWE COME you're THREATENING and INTIMIDATING him, malinda? > I wouldn't swear to it Wouldn't matter anyHOWE malinda, you're a PROVEN LYING DOG ABUSING PUNK THUG COWARD MENTAL CASE <{) ; ~ ) > > but Siberians, A dog is a dog, malinda <{) ; ~ ) > > as easy as they are to get along with in general, Sez who? Huskies got a REPUTATION for not bein trainable. > will tend to become defensive more easily than some other breeds. That so? You mean when they're ABUSED. > I've seen other Siberians turn into fear biters when When they been ABUSED <{) ; ~ ) > > their owners alpha rolled them LIKE THAT. > or were otherwise heavy-handed. YOU MEAN ABUSED <{) ; ~ ) > > I think that the key to your problem, Is ABUSE <{) ; ~ ) > NHOWE that we know HOWE COME dogs TURN on their owners we can FIGGER HOWET HOWE to teach them NOT TO FEAR BEING ABUSED someMOORE. CAN'T WE, malinda <{) ; ~ ) > > actually, is your decision not to do much training TRAINING is HOWE COME dogs FEAR their owners, malinda. > because the dogs are "hard-headed." You mean they DON'T LIKE being bribed forced and abused. > Siberians can do quite well with obedience training > as long as you take care not to bore them BORED DOGS SLEEP, malinda <{) ; ~ ) > > and not to be heavy-handed. That so? > In fact, if you don't put energy into training them Care to clarify THAT? S-HOWENDS like you're blowin smoke up HOWER arses again, malinda you dog abusing simpleton <{) ; ~ ) > > they're more likely to become bored, BORED DOGS SLEEP. > ill- mannered, They're ANIMALS, malinda <{) ; ~ ) > > pushy, and uncooperative. Those are LEARNED QUALITIES, malinda. > I really don't think there's much you can do about cats Kats, malinda? KATS AIN'T GOT PROBLEMS on accHOWENT of people TEND to leave them alone <{) ; ~ ) > > except keep them away from your dog. Dogs and kats can be TRAINED to LIKE each other NEARLY INSTANTLY if you know HOWE to pupperly handle and train a critter, malinda <{) ; ~ ) > > Siberians are extremely predatory. That so? They don't walk nice on leash or come when called or stay behind shock fences well, accordin to the EXXXPERT Sibe lovers <{) ; ~ ) > > That does not mean, however, that they're predatory towards humans. His dog wasn't fixin to EAT the kat or he woulda. > Dollars to doughnuts that the change in the dog's behavior > has to do with a change in your behavior, not because he > got to kill a kitten. Notwithstandin the FACT that the dog MURDERED the kat on accHOWENT of the original poster PROVOKED the dog and made the kat a valuable commodity to be fought over. > I'd lay off the alpha rolls and all that physical dominance nonsense "Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn. > and start making the dog work for everything it > gets (no dinner unless he sits for it, no pets unless he > sits for it, and so on). BWEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!! THAT'S INSANE. > I'd also give serious consideration to talking to a behaviorist, A WIZE IDEA. Invite your BEHAVIORIST to TALK BUSINESS with The Amazing Puppy Wizard RIGHT HERE on The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Forum and SCHOOL of HARD KNOCKS and HUMAN BEHAVIOR RESEARCH LABORATORY <{) ; ~ ) > > because I'm pretty sure you're not going to be able > to work this out on your own. On accHOWENT of you don't know HOWE to train a dog not to be afraid of bein jerked choked shocked sprayed in the face with aversives crated bribed and intimidated. > And I'd definitely, definitely get the dog into > a beginner obedience class. BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHHAHAAAAA!!! WON like janet, leah, lying frosty dahl, jo wolf lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn, booby maida, uncle matty, and captain arthur haggerty teach, malinda? > -- > Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - shore@panix.com > Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver: For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it. When he barks, use the line for a correction. - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar. Lynn K. "I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in one shelter.) But their ability to set their own schedules and duties causes a great deal of scheduling overhead. And it takes effort and thought to ensure that volunteers get the meaningful experience that they work for. Someone has to be responsible for that Volunteer Program, and it is best done by a non-volunteer." Lynn K. --------------------------------- You AIN'T SEEN NUTHIN YET... "You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn. lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs: "This Article Is Something We've Put Together For SF GSD Rescue From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com) Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats Date: 1999/11/20 ginge...@my-deja.com wrote: > How can I get him to quit chasing the cats. Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K. "Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in this situation. Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or whatever other reward system was being used." 8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is why you have the dog muzzled). If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your voice and the collar. This is important - the correction must be physically very strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need to be corrected at all)." Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message <news:04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@TeraNews>.. . Lynn, looks like he got you there if these quotes are true. In the posts below you take responsibility for making those calls. In your post above, you state you do not make those calls. Which one is it? WORDS OF WISDOM from our own Lynn Kosmakos 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day For Twenty Years I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM "I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic- depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day. I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to learn more, while happily sharing pertinent information I have learned. But if I were ever to post such sht, I would hope that every other reader of this group would be rightfully outraged." "Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn the right to participate in by observing the easily understood rules and contributing to in constructive ways." Lynn K. -------------------------------------- If you knew anything abHOWET HOWE dogs are traditionally handled and trained you'd KNOW HOWE COME dogs BECOME AFRAID enough to attack people or other innocent critters "FOR NO REASON". Dogs DON'T DO things for "NO REASON". Take ANY LIVING CRITTER and lock IT in a box with no food water or toilet and spray IT with aversives when IT cries or IGNORE his cries and jerk and choke IT on pronged spiked pinch choke collars and shock scruff shake alpha roll bribe and physically restrain IT and you'll quickly TRAIN a very dangerHOWES criminal. "The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior Never Change, Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Would Not Obtain Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results For All Handler's And All Dogs, For ALL FIELDS And ALL UTILITIES ALL OVER The Whole Wild World NEARLY INSTANTLY, As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual," The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) > You can TRAIN ANY DOG KAT BIRDY or CHILD in a few minutes to NATURALLY WANT to do ANY THING you ask if you DON'T follow the ADVICE of the lying dog kat birdy and child abusing MENTAL CASES you're askin for HEELP. You GET The Critter You TRAINED A DOG Is A Dog; As A KAT Is A KAT; As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY; As A CHILD IS A CHILD; As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES. ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING ALL Critters Only Respond In PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways; To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment Which We Create For Them. Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture." We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions And GET BACK What We TAUGHT. Here's your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual: http://makeashorterlink.com/?G**34D2527A