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HOWEDY matty,

PERHAPS THAT'S HOWE COME you jerk
and choke and spray aversives in their faces
and lock them in boxes an try to get HOWET
callin THAT, trainin?

jhowe2@bellsouth.net (The Puppy Wizard) wrote in message
news:<92C9A56542376@216.168.3.30>...
> Thank you marilyn. HOWEver, you are in peril of being
> killfiled for not snipping text and trimming cross
> posts and not putting NINNYBOY in the header.

You're Welcome. I do what I feel best at the time, prepared to take the
consequences, and learn from
them if appropriate.

> Was matty mistaken or just plain LYING, marilyn?

Mistaken

> "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will
> Seem Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe.
> This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few
> Times It Happens, But You'll Get Over It."
> mike duforth, author: "Courteous Canine."

Should anything we're told to do to our children
and pets make us cringe, then in my opinion we
should not do them.

> "I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
> your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as
> possible. What does this mean?
>
> When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
> spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
> away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
> ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
> --Mike Dufort
> author of the zero selling book
> "Courteous Canines"

I've heard about this method. I wouldn't advise anyone do it.

> > > > Jerome Bigge writes:
> > > > I do know that hitting, hurting your dog
> > > > will often make the dog either aggressive
> > > > or a fear biter, neither of which we want to do.

> > > And neither does anyone else, Jerome.
> > > No matter what Jerry Howe states.

People do hit and hurt their dogs, and their children.
Hopefully, one day, there will be restrictions and laws
protecting our future generations and other species
from the aggressive behaviours learned and accepted
by our human race.

> > > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> > > You're scary Marilyn.
>
> > > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual.

Hostility disturbs me.

> I feel very sorry for her and her family.

Hostility disturbs my family too, but we have
learned to deal with it reasonably well.

> > > BUT, giving you the benefit of the doubt,
> > > please provide a quote (an original quote,
> > > not from one of Jerry Howe's heavily edited
> > > diatribes) that shows a regular poster promoting
> > > or using an abusive form of training.

Every day I see and hear about forms of training
and teaching that I consider abusive. However,
it's usually not the intention of an individual to
cause harm nor suffering. Mostly, these methods
derive from views passed down (points of view
and opinions) that have been accepted as appropriate
and affective, but put together with little or no
consideration for the long-term consequences.

Several years ago I learned that in order for someone
to realistically discuss their own points of view and be
taken seriously, it's necessary to substantiate them.

My point of view is that it's not necessary, nor
appropriate to teach in a way that causes intimidation,
fear, or emotional and/or physical pain...

and further more, if it's not appropriate nor necessary,
why do it when there are effective and reliable methods
available to us all, that do not do this?

best regards,
Marilyn Bergeman
>
> help@puppyhelp.co.uk (puppyhelp) wrote in
> <847ec4c0.0211170637.6114208c@posting.google.com >:
>
> >>jhowe2@bellsouth.net (The Puppy Wizard) wrote in message
> >>news:<92C8E0A832376@216.168.3.30>...
> >> HOWEDY People,
> >>
> >> Reflexive thinking is when a reflexive behavior
> >> overrides all other thoughts. The reflex behavior
> >> happens pretty much all on it's own, like when
> >> you flinch if something is thrown at you.
> >>
> >> With training you can override that reflex to catch
> >> or deflect that which is coming towards you, and
> >> with a few repetitions that trained behavior will
> >> become your new reflex.
> >>
> >> The brain wants to reflex to it's most resourcessful
> >> states. It's a form of self reward, if you will.
> >>
> >> That gets the entire everything in order and
> >> learning and memory retrieval are maximized.
> >>
> >> That we can PREDICT a dog's reflexive behaviors
> >> gives us the OPPORTUNITY to effectively interrupt
> >> those behaviors AS THEY'RE BEING TRIGGERED,
> >> to effectively distract that thought with a
> >> CONDITIONED brief, variable, sound, INSTANTLY
> >> followed by PROLONGED, SINCERE, EXUBERANT, NON
> >> PHYSICAL PRAISE.
> >>
> >> The procedure is repeated until that undesirable
> >> behavior is fully extinguished. Should only take
> >> a few repetitions and then we repeat the process
> >> in several different venues to generalize and
> >> habituate the new desired behaviors.
> >>
> >> During the extinguishment process, often other
> >> undesirable behaviors are selected by the dog
> >> as possible alternate behaviors. PRAISE THOSE
> >> behaviors.
> >>
> >> Although they may be undesireable, if they are
> >> preferable to the original behavior, we may be
> >> able to accept it temporarily, and then you can
> >> choose to use the techniques to beak that
> >> inappropriate alternate behavior once the inital
> >> REALLY bad behavior is extinguished.
> >>
> >> Example. The dog ordinarily attacks people coming
> >> in the front door. We interrupt and praise the attack
> >> and the dog jumps up on the couch and barks at them.
> >> THAT'S GOOD. He's not attacking. If we can tolerate
> >> him on the couch for a few moments, we can allow
> >> THAT inapproprate behavior to take the place of the
> >> attack behavior, till we have jumping on the couch
> >> and barking as the replacement behavior to attacking.
> >>
> >> Then we break the dog of getting on the couch and
> >> barking. So he may stand on the floor and bark. Fine.
> >> We'll tolerate that for a few minutes till we're ready
> >> to address any barking. At that time the dog may take
> >> to jumping back on the couch, so at this time, we might
> >> want to break him of that behavior as we are going to
> >> eliminate ALL inappropriate behaviors, but in their order
> >> of importance and in relation to our situation.
> >
> >
> >Brilliant Post!
> >This morning, I decided everyone would have
> >their dogs come back immediately when called.
> >6 new young dogs racing around the park ...
> >at first the three terriers were
> >running rings around the boxer, lab and red-setter... but
> >before long they all took turns in 'touch-tail, tumble'.
> >'Call your dogs', says I.... and so they did, but the
> >pup-dogs were having far too much fun. So, we had a
> >little discussion... walked the family pack exercise,
> >and tried again. Success! but one lady said 'I read
> >what you suggested and tried it at home, but he came
> >charging in, and jumped up'. Yes, I said... one thing
> >atta time..... reminds me of when I was taking a first
> >aid course, and when questioned about a certain technique
> >for reviving heart beat, the St. John's chap said "Nothing's
> >more important than him being alive".
>
> >Great Post Jerry!!! Thanks.
> >best regards,
> >Marilyn