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HOWEDY doctor john bennett,

You tell us to HURT dogs to train them...

HERE'S THE RESULT:

Subject: Re: Dog is petrified of Thunder Storms

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HOWEDY ron m.,

"Ron M." rmorg...@austin.rr.com wrote in message

news:d7fc3008.0406021251.c45f585@posting.google.co m...

> Puppy Wizard? I can't believe this idiot is STILL around.

Yeah. And he's fixin to come to the huntin
dog grouos pretty soon where HE'LL likeWIZE
IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT you
and your mentally ill lying dog abusing punk
thug coward pals who like to hurt dogs.

> Please ignore him.

Seems you're OBSESSED with The Amazing Puppy Wizard.

> He's a psychiatric patient in an Independent Living
> facility, and has never even been near a dog. Do NOT
> respond to his posts.

You're a lyin dog abusing coward, ron m. The
Amazing Puppy Wizard doesn't gotta LIE to
PROVE IT. All HE gotta do is QUOTE YOU.

> Anyway... it's not unusual for dogs to develop
> a fear of thunderstorms,

Fear of thunder is caused by mishandling, not thunder.

> and it's hard to predict when it will happen.

That's a load of crap you mentally ill dog abusing ignoramus.

> I had a golden retriever that did the same thing.

BWEEEHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!

Dogs FEAR thunder cause their ABUSER
can't CON-TROLL the thunder, ronnie.

>She would fold her ears back and pant heavily,
> eyes bulging with fear.

Cause you told her YOU was IN CONTROL
yet you can't stop the thunder. Even your
dog knows you're a lying dog abusing punk
thug coward mental case, ron m..

> I don't know what started it;

YOU ABUSED HER, ron m.. THAT'S HOWE
COME DOGS GET SCARED of noises.

> she was about 5 years old, and it just started
> happening out of the blue.

No. Not HOWETA the blue. Five years is a
developmental stage, according to Scott &
Fuller. Your dog FEARS you cause NATURE
TELLS HER YOU'RE A FRAUD.

> It got to where we couldn't sleep at night -

Poor ronnie.

> she'd come in and put her feet on the bed
> and pant over you. If you closed the bedroom
> door, she'd paw it into splinters.

BWWEEEEEHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

WHAT A PATHETIC DOG ABUSING
SCHMUCK YOU ARE, ron m..

BWWEEEEEHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

> We ended up getting a tranquilizer from the
> vet to give her. ANYTHING would start it - a
> light rain, a distant flash of lightning, anything,
> and there was absolutely nothing you could
> do to calm her. NOTHING.

Did you try burnin her on your shock collar, ronnie?

> Sometimes it's very severe:

CAUSE YOU'RE A DOG ABUSER, ronnie.

> I've heard of dogs that would develop this
> and then go into grand mal seizures when
> a rain started.

Like matty's DEATHLY ILL dog Rocky.

BWEEHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!

> One theory

BWEAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!

> is that some condition develops

Yeah. It's called MENTAL ILLNESS,
you pathetic dog abusing coward.

> where the dog is hypersensitive to barometric pressure,

Or your shock collar. There's NO evidence
any PRESSURE other that ABUSE causes
dogs to FEAR.

> which usually drops precipitously in rain/storm
> conditions, and it causes some kind of inner-ear
> disturbance in the dog's head which scares and
> confuses it.

You're full of crap you lying dog abusing
mental case. You choke and shock your
dogs THAT'S HOWE COME they FEAR.

BWEEHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

AND THAT'S HOWE COME YOU
CAN'T POST HERE NOMOORE.

> It's as good an explanation as any,

It's a load of crap you DHOWEbletalkin hypocrite.

> I suspect.

You're the PERPERTRATOR.


> There is absolutely no pattern to this thing.

Perhaps you should increase your anti psychotic meds, ron m..

> Ron M.

HERE'S HOWE COME YOUR DOGS LIVE IN FEAR:

"Ron M." <rmorg...@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
ews:d7fc3008.0406060541.344ca3cb@posting.google.co m...

> I've trained Sally, my chesapeake, extremely well
> using an e-collar. It has saved both me and her a
> lot of time and hassle. The problem is that it's
> something that HAS to be used correctly.

YOU GOTTA BE A MENTAL CASE.

> You do NOT, repeat, you do NOT "shock" the
> dog with it during normal training.

That so?

> The whole concept of "burning" or "shocking"
> the dog is inherently fallacious.

Right. Shocking dogs doesn't HURT them.

> At the most, it's an annoying distraction,

Like when you get put in a locked mental ward, ron m.?

> sort of like somebody tickling your eyelash.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard could KILL a person
by tickling them, ronnie. You're a pathetic lying
dog abusing mental case, ronnie.

> Yet I'm constantly hearing people say things
> like, "hey, yeah, if Rover doesn't behave, he
> gets zapped!" It sends shivers down my spine.

And makes your dogs fear thunder, you pathetic
sack of dog abusing crap.

> It's very important that the dog already be trained
> in basic obedience before starting with the ecollar.

BWEEEEJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAAA!!!

You mean you train the dog to the epitome
of perfection and then you BURN IT IT.

BWEEEEEHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!

YOU'RE A FRAUD.

> The ecollar works

BURNING dogs to make them behave
only works if you can burn them EVERY
TIME they make a mistake or you're
VARIABLY REINFORCING the behavior
and the dog won't work.

> because it gives you a range (some go up to
> 2 miles), and most importantly, the dog doesn't
> associate the stimulate with you.

THAT'S INSANE. Dogs KNOW it's YOU pushin
that big red button marked BURN. You'll do and
say ANY THING to defend your alleged right to
hurt and murder innocent dumb animals.

You know where you can always find The
Amazing Puppy Wizard if you want to defend
your "manhood," you pathetic dog abusing weasel.

> You completely circumvent the dog perceiving
> anything like, "oh, he's mad at me.."

You mean, for TICKLING his eyeylash, you
simpleton? You think the dog DON'T KNOW
IT'S YOU TICKLING HIM?

> In almost all cases,

Dog abusers are mentally ill or liars.

> you can train using only the tone, or "beep" and
> not use the electrical stimulation ("tickle" would
> be more accurate)

Right. Time for your anti psychotic meds, ronnie.

> at all, once the dog connects the beep to the stimulation.

Well, that's just plain DEAD WRONG, ronnie.

> Once this connection is established,

Your dog will run HOWET on you or attack
you if he can. Dogs don't take kindly to bein
TICKLED, you dog abusing mental case.

> you can habituate certain behaviors very quickly,

By BURING your dog when IT doesn't listen
to you cause you're a pathetic EXXXCUSE
for a human being, ronnie. THAT'S HOWE
COME your dogs won't listen to you unless
you can BURN them.

> instead of dragging the dog through weeks
> or months of dreary, stressful training sessions,
> and scolding and jerking and yelling.

Oh, well no WONder HOWE COME you
PREFER to SHOCK your dog INSTEAD
OF BEATIN and CHOKIN IT.

> The ecollar permits split-second, instant responses,
> even if you're half a mile away, and the dog does
> NOT perceive it as coming from you.

You mean, the TICKLING, ronnie?

Looks like you're AFRAID your dog will
think it's YOU TICKLING HIM.

> It takes you out of the picture completely.

You think dogs are as STUPID as the dog
abusers you're writing to, ronnie? You're a
dog abusing lying coward mental case.

> It works great with Sally.

You mean, when you TICKLE her cause
otherWIZE she won't even look at you
when you tell IT to do sumpthin.

> If I wanted to, I could walk her through a
> shopping mall the last Saturday before
> Xmas, and she'd walk at perfect heel
> position, off-leash.

IMAGINE? Suppose your battery burns HOWET?

Your dog will go to Santa's HOWES with him.
He don't shock or choke and beat his critters.

> There's much more to be said,

You've said all that needs be said, ronnie.
You make The Amazing Puppy Wizard's case for HIM.

> but I don't have time to write an essay here.

And you ain't welcome to write here noMOORE, either.
Looks like you've shot your shot, eh ronnie?

> Personally,

Personally, you're a dog abusing lying mental case.

> I think there should be more control over who
> buys these things.

Right. People who own dogs shouldn't
be allHOWED to buy instruments of
abuse and torture.

> Sure, they are a wonderful device,

Only if you're a pathetic dog abusing mental case.

> but I think 90% of your dog owners out there
> have NO business using one;

Make that 100% and you can post here again.

> they simply don't know what they're doing,

Perhaps cause they didn't take their
anti psychotic meds, eh ronnie?

> and it's the dog that ends up suffering.

So you'll just MURDER IT and get a new WON
that can withstand the rigors of trainin, eh ron m..

> Just push that button ONE time at the wrong
> moment, and you can ruin a dog, maybe even
> permanently.

Pushin the button WON time at ANY moment
may ruin your dog, ron m.. We've had a lotta
DEAD DOGS and attacks thanks to your shock
collars, ronnie.

> It can be very difficult to predict exactly what
> the dog will associate the stimulation with.

You gonna make all The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's arguments FOR HIM, ronnie?

You tryin to put The Amazing Puppy Wizard
HOWETA BUSINESS???

You want a JOB? With competition like you
ronnie, The Amazing Puppy Wizard will never
need to prove shocking dogs is cruel and mentally
ill behavior for decent human beings.

> Sometimes it can be the direction he's moving,
> something he has in his mouth, or even a nearby
> bush or tree or object. And once you've pushed
> that button, there's no "undoing" it, at least not
> without several months of re-training.

Oh. Well perhaps that's on accHOWENT of
you don't know nuthin abHOWET dog behavior?

> That's my experience.

As a dog abuser a liar a coward and hypocrite.

> Ron M.


From: Ron M. (rmorg...@austin.rr.com)
Subject: Re: Retreiving question
Newsgroups: rec.hunting.dogs
Date: 2003-05-27 10:43:59 PST
Teri Keefe <Terike...@aol.com> wrote in message
<news:1ef.9516df4.2bfb9207@aol.com>...

> There ARE ways to teach a dog to
> retrieve without inflicting pain.

Right. That's what your shock collar is for.

> There are also other ways to teach a dog
> to deal with pressure without pain.

PRESSURE, ronnie? You mean PAIN. Don't you.

> I agree. This may make me a pariah in
> some dog training circles,

Well ronnie, you can't post here abHOWETS
noMOORE cause you're a dog abusing coward
and lying mental case, ronnie.

> but I utterly abhor the concept of force-fetching.

That so? You PREFER to SHOCK your dog
instead of pinchin an twistin ITS ears. That
make you a freakin humanitarian, like St.
Frances, eh ronnie?

> My position is

You're all over the place you dog abusing coward.

> that if a dog's retrieving instinct is so weak

You mean cause you can't TRAIN a dog
unless IT is a NATURAL cause you got
NO IDEA HOWE a dog thinks and learns.

> that pain-compliance techniques

Unlike the TICKLING of your SHOCK COLLAR?

> re needed to make him retrieve something,

You just BURN the dog till IT does it, ronnie.

> you've got the wrong kind of dog,

Not if you know HOWE to BURN your dog pupperly.

> even if his breed name does include the word, "retriever."

BWWEEEEHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!

> My first retriever, Crystal, a golden-lab mix
> I bought for $35, went dove hunting and
> retrieved birds consistently with NO training
> other than some basic obedience.

"dragging the dog through weeks or months
of dreary, stressful training sessions, and
scolding and jerking and yelling."

Well, just THAT was enough to make her fearful.

> She learned to mark falls with a little fun
> training in the evenings.

You mean TICKLING her, ronnie?

> BUT... she had good retrieving instinct.

OtherWIZE you'd of needed to TICKLE her someMOORE.

> Even as a 7-week-old puppy, she would
> jump into a cold, windswept lake and
> retrieve a thrown object.

BRILLIANT. You're a IDIOT.

> My chesapeake, Sally, will instinctively
> retrieve until she drops dead from exhaustion,
> if I let her.

You mean, if you don't stop TICKLING her.

> Things like dropping early, chomping, bring
> to heel releasing to the hand, etc. were easily
> taught using a little repetition

"dragging the dog through weeks or months
of dreary, stressful training sessions, and
scolding and jerking and yelling."


> and occasional ecollar work,


You mean TICKLING her, ronnie.


> using her basic obedience knowledge as a reinforcer.


"dragging the dog through weeks or months
of dreary, stressful training sessions, and
scolding and jerking and yelling."


> She does beautiful doubles, and in the field
> she's awesome - she constantly scans the
> sky, searching for approaching birds, then
> tracking them visually in case I shoot it down.


The birdies like that, ronnie?


> Then she still holds position (in case there's
> a second bird to mark) until I release here with
> a "fetch" command.


WHOWEI!!!


> But tying up a dog on a table and pinching
> its ears and twisting its toes, to "force" it to
> retrieve?


S-HOWENDS LIKE TICKLIN, ronnie.


> Sorry, I just can't see it.


Well, you just gotta learn HOWE to
pupperly HURT a dog instead of just
TICKLING them, ronnie.


> Ron M.


BWEEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >


HOWEDY FRAUDreck,


Perhaps you didn't GET IT?


Even the DOG ABUSERS and MENTAL
CASES here don't wanna see you HURTIN
dogs to make them do stupid parlor tricks.


Some of the bums here believe it's unsafe
to even open your video files, thanks to your
pal Master Of Deception blankman warning
them that she don't use those sorts of software
cause they can TRACK your shoppin and THAT
could be damaging when you're shopping for
mental illness supplies.


BWEEEEEHAHAHAHHAHAHAAA!!!



"Sitmeanssit" <sitmeans...@aol.com> wrote in message


news:20040610194321.20909.00000651@mb-m23.aol.com...

<snip stupid pet gettin shcoked trick>



> Fred Hassen


BWEEEEEEEEHAHAHAHHAHHAAAA!!!

From: m i chael (spam_urs...@spamyourmamma.com)


Here is a video from Fred which I have a few concerns
about (and maybe Fred can weigh in if he sees fit).


This is a video about Nero being taught to get on
a skateboard.


http://www.studioonline.com/playvide...E284B9ABDFCE0F


or


http://tinyurl.com/389al


In this video, the dog is constantly jerking his
head all around. I'm not SHORE why he's doing that.
If he's doing it because he is being shocked repeatedly
into getting onto that skateboard, then it is my
opinion that Fred Hassen is a dog abuser in the
extreme. As would anyone be, no matter how much
"experience" they had shocking dogs, nor how
nationally "respected" they are/were.


If, HOWEver, the dog is jerking his head all around
because he is happy and for no other reason, well,
then, never mind. I've just never seen this kind of
behavior from a dog before, so maybe Fred can
explain what would cause a dog to move his head
like that.


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Here's your former pal who's dog you heelped murder:


<"Terri"@cyberhighway



> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
Robert Crim writes:


I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.


The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.


To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog
into good behavior. Naive is believing that people that
hide behind fake names are more honest than people that
use their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante
dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey
(lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than
those that have studied and lived by their craft for
decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.

> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
> actually admit to buying and having success with his
> little black box.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.

> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
> to him! LOL!

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

>Terri

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)


"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message
news: 16990-3CAB1F8...@storefull-2293.public.lawson.webtv.net...

I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive.
I do know she's not here with us.

I really can't blame anyone here for her loss.

I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it
because of how you write/wrote.

I was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a
shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not
wanting to stay home.

Up until I started using it my main concern had
been keeping my dogs in their own yard.

Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my
concern became how to keep them from running
off for days on end.

I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled
in the anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.

I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the
world now <g> A Wits End Trained dog, one
who is completely housetrained, doesn't chew
up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all
the time. IOW a great companion and friend.

Thanks Jerry!

=====================

misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6946-3B6337A1-329@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net...

> We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.
> Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and
> no collars.

> Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want
> to come back in the yard and would run for days.
> The last time, Peach didn't come back home.


> I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how
> to train my dog. She is now border trained. A few
> minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in
> the yard.

> She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop
> her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes
> when we walk around the yard.

> I can not say loud or long enough how much I
> hate the e-fence and its collars.

> If you can't get a regular fence then you need to
> train your dog. I will never rely on an electronic
> collar to keep my dog in our yard again.

> The price was too high:-(

> ~misty

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"Ted Rumple" <rumplem...@kalbar.net> wrote in message
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> Jerry, I am forever in your debt. The system you have
> created for training dogs is absolutely amazing!

> I can't wait until the new version is available for human
> children!

> Thank you for your service to humanity!


Here it is: http://makeashorterlink.com/?G34D2527A

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