Re: Pit Bull Ban

HOWEDY elegy,

PRYOR to Pit Bulls it was Rotties and Dobies...
but the PROBLEM REMAINS, so therefore IT MUST
BE YOU and your mentally ill lying dog abusing
punk thug coward pals who choke shock spray
aversives in dog's faces bribe intimidate and
lock them in boxes who WILL BE NEXT <{) ; ~ ) >

elegy wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:58:38 -0500, "Lemony Fresh"
> <lemonyfreshness@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >elegy wrote:
> >> see, i don't get why breed plays into it at all. i think it's a
very
> >> good thing the owner/s are being held accountable. that's what
needs
> >> to happen ALL the time, and that's what is going to stop the dog
bite
> >> problem. these dangerous dog laws need to be applied to ALL dogs
that
> >> bite/attack/whatever, not just the media "darlings".
> >
> >Hi Elegy (it's me, Jean, wearing a cloaking device!)
>
> lemony fresh eh? bwahaha.
>
> >I think the real problem is the damage the dogs tend to do, not the
frequency of
> >bites. It's the destruction potential that frightens people. I mean
if you look
> >at the stats for bite incidents pits are pretty low. Poodles
probably bite more
> >than pits (I guess it'd be more) but they don't rip off the bitee's
faces. Add
> >that to the fact that pitbulls so often end up paired with
idjits..and you just
> >can't legislate idiocy out of existence.
>
> but any of the large breeds can have a strong bite. and besides,
given
> that most dog bite victims are children, it doesn't take that much
> strength to do major damage. even a pomeranian is capable of killing
a
> baby.
>
> but yes, pit bulls are often paired with lousy owners. but the
problem
> is *still* not the pit bulls, it is the lousy owners. so hold the
> owners responsible, don't just nuke the dogs. or legislate the dogs
> out of existence. or punish the responsible owners who just happen to
> like this breed of dog.
>
> >I realize that responsible dog owners like you are likely the
majority but when
> >you have an animal that's very dangerous given the right conditions
you have two
> >choices - eliminate those conditions (very, very difficult) or
eliminate the
> >animal (fairly simple). That's not a literal thing - no pitbulls
currently
> >owned by Ontarians will be destroyed, it's just that nobody will be
allowed to
> >bring new pits into the population. No doggie holocaust.
>
> unless you're a pit bull in the shelter. or a pit bull now dumped in
> the shelter because your owners can't afford the million dollars in
> insurance. or a pit bull who lives next to hysterical owners who call
> animal control and accuse you of being menacing.
>
> you're not going to get rid of irresponsible owners by outlawing pit
> bulls. they will either a) ignore the laws and own pit bulls anyway
or
> b) move on to a different breed. the danger is not from the breed. it
> is from the irresponsibility and poor ownership.
>
> breed banning is also very difficult and expensive to enforce. what
> about dogs who have no pit bull in them whatsoever but have this
> misfortune of being stocky and muscular (boxer x lab comes to mind).
> this law puts the onus on the owner to prove that their dog is *not*
a
> pit bull. how is that fair?
>
> why not just enforce already existing leash laws for crying out
loud??
> that's half the problem right there.
>
> >So far as the 'media darlings' thing, I am not sure if all dog
attacks other
> >than pitbull attacks get ignored, I'd have no way of knowing that,
but it just
> >seems that when a pit does attack another dog or child or even
adult, the damage
> >done is pretty spectacular compared to the damage done by the family
poodle.
> >This is just Jean Q. Public's impression, so I guess all things
considered I'm
> >not against the pitbull ban.
>
> here's a good site (and good book) that talks about the real
> statistics behind fatal dog attacks <http://www.fataldogattacks.com>
>
> here's the bite stats for just winnipeg, who outlawed pit bulls in
> 1990 <http://www.doglegislationcouncilcanada.org/WinnipegBites.htm>
>
> 10 years ago it was dobermans in this seat. before them, rottweilers
i
> believe.
>
>
> --
> my best friend is a pit bull.
> http://shattering.org
> x-no-archive: yes in headers

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TheAmazingPuppyWizard@Mail.Com	Re: Pit Bull Ban HOWEDY elegy, PRYOR to Pit Bulls it was Rotties and Dobies... but the PROBLEM REMAINS, so therefore IT MUST BE YOU and your mentally ill lying dog abusing punk thug coward pals who choke shock spray aversives in dog's faces bribe intimidate and lock them in boxes who WILL BE NEXT <{) ; ~ ) > elegy wrote: > On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 08:58:38 -0500, "Lemony Fresh" > <lemonyfreshness@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >elegy wrote: > >> see, i don't get why breed plays into it at all. i think it's a very > >> good thing the owner/s are being held accountable. that's what needs > >> to happen ALL the time, and that's what is going to stop the dog bite > >> problem. these dangerous dog laws need to be applied to ALL dogs that > >> bite/attack/whatever, not just the media "darlings". > > > >Hi Elegy (it's me, Jean, wearing a cloaking device!) > > lemony fresh eh? bwahaha. > > >I think the real problem is the damage the dogs tend to do, not the frequency of > >bites. It's the destruction potential that frightens people. I mean if you look > >at the stats for bite incidents pits are pretty low. Poodles probably bite more > >than pits (I guess it'd be more) but they don't rip off the bitee's faces. Add > >that to the fact that pitbulls so often end up paired with idjits..and you just > >can't legislate idiocy out of existence. > > but any of the large breeds can have a strong bite. and besides, given > that most dog bite victims are children, it doesn't take that much > strength to do major damage. even a pomeranian is capable of killing a > baby. > > but yes, pit bulls are often paired with lousy owners. but the problem > is still not the pit bulls, it is the lousy owners. so hold the > owners responsible, don't just nuke the dogs. or legislate the dogs > out of existence. or punish the responsible owners who just happen to > like this breed of dog. > > >I realize that responsible dog owners like you are likely the majority but when > >you have an animal that's very dangerous given the right conditions you have two > >choices - eliminate those conditions (very, very difficult) or eliminate the > >animal (fairly simple). That's not a literal thing - no pitbulls currently > >owned by Ontarians will be destroyed, it's just that nobody will be allowed to > >bring new pits into the population. No doggie holocaust. > > unless you're a pit bull in the shelter. or a pit bull now dumped in > the shelter because your owners can't afford the million dollars in > insurance. or a pit bull who lives next to hysterical owners who call > animal control and accuse you of being menacing. > > you're not going to get rid of irresponsible owners by outlawing pit > bulls. they will either a) ignore the laws and own pit bulls anyway or > b) move on to a different breed. the danger is not from the breed. it > is from the irresponsibility and poor ownership. > > breed banning is also very difficult and expensive to enforce. what > about dogs who have no pit bull in them whatsoever but have this > misfortune of being stocky and muscular (boxer x lab comes to mind). > this law puts the onus on the owner to prove that their dog is not a > pit bull. how is that fair? > > why not just enforce already existing leash laws for crying out loud?? > that's half the problem right there. > > >So far as the 'media darlings' thing, I am not sure if all dog attacks other > >than pitbull attacks get ignored, I'd have no way of knowing that, but it just > >seems that when a pit does attack another dog or child or even adult, the damage > >done is pretty spectacular compared to the damage done by the family poodle. > >This is just Jean Q. Public's impression, so I guess all things considered I'm > >not against the pitbull ban. > > here's a good site (and good book) that talks about the real > statistics behind fatal dog attacks <http://www.fataldogattacks.com> > > here's the bite stats for just winnipeg, who outlawed pit bulls in > 1990 <http://www.doglegislationcouncilcanada.org/WinnipegBites.htm> > > 10 years ago it was dobermans in this seat. before them, rottweilers i > believe. > > > -- > my best friend is a pit bull. > http://shattering.org > x-no-archive: yes in headers