It's Only Alimentary, Dear Watson

From: Ama...@dcfwatch.com (Ama...@DCFWatch.com)
Date: 10 Feb 2003 09:53:05 -0800
Subject: Re: Otherwise lovely dog hard nipping back of daughter's leg.

If you hit your dog when it does wrong, your dog will bite the
children or others when they hurt it. Teaching dogs and children
violence is the answer to misbehaving will only teach them to hit
others when they get angry as well. I have never seen a good old
fashioned, loving, wise spanking do anything along the lines of
preventing a behaviour. A nice talk with respect and love goes a long
way. Spanking only makes a child or dog fear getting caught.


I know hundreds of families who do not spank their children and have
wonderfully behaved children. I know many families who spanked their
children with love and the people grew up to break every family rule.


The decline in children today is due to a lack of parental
involvement. A decline in spanking is not the cause. Every single
child I have ever known who had what society would easily refer to as
a "discipline" problem is spanked. Hitting a child is loving nor wise.
When a 20 month old tries plugging something into an outlet, a swat
on the hand only shows you lack the true respect to sit them down and
explain OUCH! or HOT! A child understands hot or ouch, they don't
want these things. Surely they don't want them coming from a parent.
It takes the same amount of effort to distract a child away from a
misbehaviour with better results than it does to smack them and insist
they stop.


Any moron can smack, hit, scold or spank a creature into behaving
properly. The true test of love is being able to do it with respect
and love. Those who succeed in raising children without hitting them
when all else fails go on to have wonderful members of society, who go
on to do far more than their physically abused counterparts in
therapy.


"Trentus" <The_Supe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
<news:T5M1a.44563$jM5.112806@newsfeeds.bigpond.com >...
> "Ama...@DCFWatch.com" <Ama...@dcfwatch.com> wrote in message
> news:91381045.0302081047.6d6232d8@posting.google.c om...
> > You would hit an animal just because a majority suggests it even
> > though you know already that this is the wrong thing to do?

> Yes, I would, in fact I would do ANYTHING to protect my kids
including
> KILLING the dog if my kids were seriously in danger. These nips are
not
> playful. They leave a visible mark, and have in one instance drawn
blood.
> Even the non-bleed ones cause her enough pain to cause her to cry.
> Anyone here who would put a dog before their own children oughtn't be
a
> parent.


> However,
> 1.) I knew the majority WOULDN'T recommend it.
> 2.) I knew that if they DID recommend it then it would be because it

> WORKED, and that is the aim here, to find a solution that WORKS to
protect
> my daughter, and for the dog.


> I might add though, that I wasn't talking about ME hitting the dog,
but it
> being done by her IMMEDIATELY at the moment that he bites.


> And as for NEVER SMACKING:
> Coat a power lead with a bitter-agent to stop the dog chewing it.
> Dog chews, dog gets bitter taste, dog doesn't like bitter taste, dog
stops
> chewing lead.
> Where is this different from : - Dog does "wrong" behaviour, dog
gets
> "bitter taste" of smack on rump, dog doesn't like smack on rump, dog
stops
> behaviour.
> It's the same damned thing, you just let the bitter product do your
smacking
> for you, and it's a smack to the tastebuds rather than the rump.


> I'm not one who totally refuses to use corporal punishment either in
animals
> or kids. Corporal punishment USED to be the norm, and we USED to have
NORMAL
> human beings. Look at the youth around today - all the ones whose
parents
> refused to smack them - are generally a pack of low-life scum. My
kids have
> recieved corporal punishment on occassions. They are also here at
home not
> out vandalising, graffiti painting, shoplifting, tossing shopping
trolleys
> in the local lake for a laugh, or leaving their broken beer bottles,
and
> used syringes under the kids playground equipment in the park.
> People from the generation of my great grandparents were almost all
decent
> people, people from my grandparents generation were almost all decent

> people, even many of my parents generation were decent people, all
were
> disciplined with corporal punishment in varying forms as it was the
"norm"
> and so were decent kids the norm. Then you got this bambi-brigade
crying out
> "oooh, you can't SMACK your kids, you'll ruin their psyche". This
mamby
> pamby generation of "thou shall not smack thy child" seem to be
bringing up
> completely conscience-less, irresponsible, immoral, unethical,
cretins, and
> crying "Where did I go wrong". You have ten year olds taking toddlers
from
> shopping malls and beating them to death on railway tracks FCOL!


> Open your eyes people - NON CORPORAL DISCIPLINE ISN'T WORKING!!


> Almost without fail, where I've found parents whose well adjusted
children
> don't conform to this new "norm" I've also found they have been
brought up
> by parents who use corporal punishment with love and wisdom. The
Bible
> actually says "spare the rod and spoil the child" I'll follow it's
teachings
> rather than those of the bambi-brigaders any day thanks kindly.
> Just because some parents have taken corporal punishment, and turned
it into
> abuse, does not mean you throw the baby out with the bathwater. Used
with
> love, used with wisdom, and used in the most sparing possible
amounts, and
> combined with other methods when appropriate such as withdrawl of
> priviledges, reasoning and explanation, etc. It's a time proven
formula.
> Even for animals.


> Trentus