TheAmazingPuppyWizard@Mail.Com

HOWEDY Mark,

Re: Cant we get rid of this muppet!!!

Mark DeMarcus wrote:
>
> I thought it would be good to read something off of this newsgroup

LikeWIZE <{) : - ( >

> and have spent the last half hour or so reading over material
> from quite a few folks.

Seems we got mostly lairs dog abusers cowards and
active acute long term incurable mental cases who
HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER dogs and LIE abHOWET it.

> Dog counselors to individual pet owners.

DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE, EXXXCEPT to say
"THANK YOU, The Amazing Puppy Wizard your METHOD
SAVED MY DOG'S LIFE. G-D BLESS YOU!" and then they
NEVER POST HERE abHOWETS again <{) ; ~ ) >

> I am fortunate enough to have the time to be around
> all 3 of my dogs all day until we all sleep in the
> same bed at night.

LikeWIZE. EXXXCEPT we don't share the bed... but
that's O.K. if that's your PREFERENCE <{) ; ~ ) >

> I am so thankful for the time that I get to spend with these
> girls every day and a million per dog would not come close
> if a price tag got involved.

LikeWIZE.

> They ARE my life and ALL of it as well.

LikeWIZE <{) ; ~ ) >

> What I cant understand is after reading some of the
> paragraphs in these newsgroups I am now sitting here
> crying.

NO PROBLEMO! You'll GET USED TO IT:

"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."

> Why is that we all must have so much anger and hatred in this world.

THAT'S on accHOWENT of we got LYING DOG ABUSING
MENTAL CASES who HURT INTIMDIATE and MURDER dogs
and LIE abHOWET it.

> The very fact that I began to read in here this
> evening was a direct result of the love I have
> for any animal but after reading some of the
> things I have from dog beatings to husband/wife
> beatings I wonder if there is ever hope for this
> planet.

NOT so long as we got DOG LOVERS like the MENTAL
CASES you been readin RIGHT HERE on The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Forums and School Of HARD KNOCKS
and HUMAN BEHAVIOR RESEARCH LABORATORY <{) ; ~ ) >

> Whoever you all are please just know that if
> this forum is as useful as I originally suspected
> it was then something bad has taken place here.

INDEEDY. Sumpthin VERY BAD has been happening here
since DAY WON <{) : ~ ( >

It's CALLED HUMAN NATURE.

> Please whoever try to forgive one another

That's IMPOSSIBLE. The DOG LOVERS here abHOWETS
GOT TO DEFEND THEIR ALLEGED RIGHT to HURT INTIMIDATE
and MURDER DOGS as they've done since DAY WON <{) : ~ ( >

> and remember what your objectives are.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard CAME HERE to IDENTIFY
EXXXPOSE and DISCREDITE the Gang Of Lying Dog
Abusing Punk Thug Coward Active Acute Long Term
INCURABLE MENTAL CASES who HURT INTIMDIATE and
MURDER dogs... like captain arthur haggerty and
his tribe of BABOONS and professor SCRUFF SHAKE
dermer and his UNIVERSITY TRAINED BABOONS <{) ; ~ ) >

> To love and protect these great friends of ours
> (both dog and cat and all the rest).

HOWER DOG LOVERS HURT INTIMDIATE BRIBE CRATE and MURDER
innocent dumb critters and do likeWIZE to their children
who pass THAT along to the next generation of MENTALLY
ILL LYING DOG / CHILD ABUSING MENTAL CASES who'll DO
and SAY ANYTHING to DEFEND THEIR ALLEGED RIGHT to DO
AS THEY BEEN TAUGHT by THEIR ABUSERS <{) ; ~ ) >

> They (the animals are why I rise each morning.

LikeWIZE <{) ; ~ ) >

> They always make the days worthwhile.

Yeah, but that ain't NUTHIN compared to comin HERE
and IDENTIFYING EXXXPOSING and DISCREDITING these
LYING DOG ABUSING PUNK THUG COWARD MENTAL CASES
someMOORE. Most of them have gone elsewhere, but
we STILL GOT the HARD CORE MENTAL CASES postin...

> Thanks...

THANK YOU for noticing...

> I wont interrupt again.

You've just made A LOT of ENEMIES here, who LOVE
to HURT INTIDMIATE and MURDER INNOCENT CRITTERS.

> Sorry

NO PROBLEMO!

> <TheAmazingPuppyWizard@Mail.Com> wrote in message
> news:1114793242.853694.151460@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
> HOWEDY matty,
>
> Rocky wrote:
> > dollymarie said in rec.pets.dogs.health:
> > Re: Cant we get rid of this muppet!!!
>
> > > Thankyou, I am away this weekend but I will do it on Monday
> > > and get back to you.
> >
> > We'll also talk about quoting and attributions.
>
> INDEED?
>
> You mean, LIKE THIS?:
>
> From: Rocky (2...@rocky-dog.com)
> Subject: Re: How to handle aggressive situations
> Date: 2004-10-19 19:42:54 PST
>
> Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> > I try really hard not to yell. The times that I have, Solo
> > joined in and then lunged to the end of the leash.
>
> Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers,
> thinking I'm angry at him - a reason I don't "yuk out"
> others' dogs at agility trials or training.
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> From: Rocky (mbon...@sunada.com)
> Subject: Re: Leg Humper
> Date: 1999/09/14
>
> Bioso...@aol.com (Jerry Howe) wrote in
> <37D698CF.405B0...@bellsouth.n***et>:
>
> >By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume that you are
> >suggesting that the people knee the dog in the chest. If
> >that's what you meant, just say it, instead of beating around
> >the bush to avoid criticism from people like me. That kind of
> >crap has got to stop, and that's why I'm here, to help wean
> >you guys off of the abuse and into the proper methods of
> >dealing with behavior problems.
>
> Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation
> up until this last paragraph.
>
> Why did you blow it?
>
> --Matt
>
> "Rocky" <> wrote in message
> news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAaustralianshepherdca@130.133. 1.4...
>
> > Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> > > When you compare using sound and
> > > praise to solve a problem with using
> > > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
> > > how can you criticize the use of sound?
>
> > There's nothing more to be said, then.
> > You've made up your mind.
>
> > But you've impressed me by mentioning
> > that you're a professor with 30 years of
> > experience.
>
> > So, can you cite some examples of
> > people recommending "shock collars,
> > hanging, and punishment"?
> > --
> > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
>
> > > > Jerome Bigge writes:
> > > > I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often
> > > > make the dog either aggressive or a fear biter,
> > > > neither of which we want to do.
>
> > > And neither does anyone else, Jerome.
>
> > > No matter what Jerry Howe states.
> > > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> "The Best Way To Teach Him To Stay Away Is To
> Step On Him Once. Seriously," "Hold Back The
> Dobie Girl So That Izzy Can Put Simon In His
> Place." BINACA bethFIST-
>
> "Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
> Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
> Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
> Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
> The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
> mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.
>
> You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
> MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???
>
> "Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
> A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
> Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
> Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
> Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.
>
> You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
> SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
> is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?
>
> "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
> Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
> Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
> But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
> "Courteous Canine."
>
> You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
> is COURTEOUS?
>
> "I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
> your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
> as possible. What does this mean?"
>
> Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.
>
> "When you bring home the Bitter Apple for
> the first time, spray one squirt directly into
> the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog
> won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore
> him and continue your normal behavior."--Mike
> Dufort author of the zero selling book "Courteous Canines"
>
> You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?
>
> Date: 2003-04-28 18:09:04 PST
> "Tara O." wrote:
> Labs are a breed that are normally trained for
> field work with ear pinches, e-collars and other
> forms of physical interaction without making them
> fearful or aggressive.
>
> "I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
> Humane is one of those hot words that people
> can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
> There are people who would call a regular chain
> link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.
>
> "I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting the
> whole cruelty thread again so I'll state my opinion once and
> won't defend it further: any method can be cruel for some
> dogs.
>
> Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the
> beginning, but w e'vecomealongwaysincethen.Shet**rusts
> us now as I mentioned in a recent post. Point is, she's been
> rewarded for coming, but she's never been punished, even in
> the mildest way, for not coming.
>
> Is it time for that?
>
> What might I look for to tell?"
>
> "Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@attbi_s51...
>
> > After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
> > Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
> > is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
> > keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
> > up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
> > and the vet agrees.
> > --Lia
>
> "Things are beginning to get much worse day
> by day and the vets seem unable to help.
> http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorR**ufusMed.WMV
> http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorR**ufusSmall.WMV"
>
> THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
> MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
> to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
> Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
> LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and
> ASYLUM ESCAPEES.
>
> BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!!
>
> http://tinyurl.com/389al
> In this video, the dog is constantly jerking his
> head all around. I'm not SHORE why he's doing that.
> If he's doing it because he is being shocked repeatedly
> into getting onto that skateboard, then it is my
> opinion that Fred Hassen is a dog abuser in the
> extreme. As would anyone be, no matter how much
> "experience" they had shocking dogs, nor how
> nationally "respected" they are/were.
>
> If, HOWEver, the dog is jerking his head all around
> because he is happy and for no other reason, well,
> then, never mind. I've just never seen this kind of
> behavior from a dog before, so maybe Fred can
> explain what would cause a dog to move his head
> like that.
>
> Here's a other:
> http://tinyurl.com/2v9oh
>
>
> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040324071828.07753.00000001@mb-m18.aol.com...
>
> > He was next to me and I could see his neck
> > muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
> > Janet Boss
>
> "sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> > "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:20040323173916.10096.00001938@mb-m17.aol.com...
> > > > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > > > dog like a Lab.
>
> An INSENSITIVE DOG???
>
> > > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > > I had apointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
>
> > > BUT, giving you the benefit of the
> > > doubt, please provide a quote (an
> > > original quote, not from one of Jerry
> > > Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
> > > shows a regular poster promoting or
> > > using an abusive form of training.
> >
> > > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
>
> THAT'S sumpthin to be PR-HOWED abHOWET, eh matty?
>
> "Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
> Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
> lynn.
>
> lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
> For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
> pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
> When he barks, use the line for a correction.
>
> - if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
>
> Lynn K.
>
> "I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
> one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
> schedules and duties causes a great deal of
> scheduling overhead.
>
> And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
> volunteers get the meaningful experience that
> they work for.
>
> Someone has to be responsible for that
> Volunteer Program, and it is best done
> by a non-volunteer."
>
> Lynn K.
> ------------------------------**---
>
> Paxil Princess psychoclown wrote:
>
> "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
> things is something you twisted out of
> context, because you are full of bizarro
> manure."
>
> "Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper
> wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable
> dogs may require you to progress to striking them more
> sharply.
>
> REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG.
>
> Now you are ready to progress to what most people think of
> as force-fetching: the ear pinch.
>
> Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent that
> resisting your will fades in importance.
>
> but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to
> escaping the ear pinch even get a studded collar and pinch
> the ear against that if the dog still does not open its mouth,
> get out the shotshell.
>
> Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the
> collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the
> dog will give in
>
> With your hand on the collar and ear, say, 'fetch.'
>
> Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick.
>
> Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy.
> You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of your
> thumb; Say 'fetch' while pressing the dummy against its lips
> and pinching its ear," lying frosty dahl.
>
> lying frosty dahl sez she doesn't twist:
> "None of my posts, prior to or subsequent to
> Jerry Howe's attacks, encourage anyone to
> twist ears, beat dogs, confront, intimidate,
> frighten, or any of the crap he constantly
> attributes to me.
>
> I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog I Do Not
> Believe There Is A Single Circumstance Ever, Where
> Slapping A Dog Is Anything But Destructive," "I don't see
> why anyone would want to choke or beat a dog, or how any
> trainer could possibly get a good working dog by making
> them unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying
> frosty dahl.
>
> Here's lying frosty dahl BEATING A DOG to TRAIN IT:
>
> Borrowed from: "Puppy Raising Tips" from
> professional trainers, John and Amy Dahl.
>
> "Around four months many puppies can withstand a
> correction. Unfortunately this is the time they start
> teething and if their mouth hurts, they may act
> generally sensitive. If this is the case, be patient and
> wait for all those baby teeth to fall out.
>
> In training, retrievers often respond to physical correction
> better than verbal correction. While "NO!" is extremely
> useful if puppy is about to bite an electrical cord or steal
> food off the table, when you are teaching them something
> (like obedience) a sharp jerk on their lead or swat with a
> stick gets the message across with less emotion and less
> effect on their confidence.
>
> If they drop the dummy and act like their mouth hurts
> when they are teething, stop all retrieving and wait for
> their mouth to feel better. A correction should be just
> severe enough to get the dog to respond.
>
> Repeated weak corrections are very stressful to the dog."
>
> =====================
>
> Amy Dahl writes:
>
> "From where I sit, there is a difference. I haven't noticed
> any of the contingent who like Koehler trying to force
> their method on everyone, or calling others names because
> they do not use the method.
>
> I personally believe the Koehler method is a more
> humane way of teaching than any alternative I have
> studied.
>
> And I am not averse to learning--I have studied a
> number of methods.
>
> Koehler, of course, stops far short of the specialized
> work I do with retrievers, and some of the things in his
> book, such as making the dog walk behind the handler
> on the "finish," are inappropriate for retriever work.
>
> Why do I think Koehler's method is more humane than others?
>
> First, I don't believe "corrections vs. no corrections" is as
> significant to dogs as it is to people. Applied correctly,
> Koehler's method uses *no* intimidation, fear, or emotional
> manipulation. It is clear and definite, and the handler's
> actions are always predictable. The method is masterfully
> designed to prevent confrontation or vying for control in
> any way. It places high demands of responsibility on the
> trainer, and takes a great deal of commitment to do correctly,
> so it is not for the casual "dabbler." When done well,very
> few corrections are needed.
>
> In brief, I think the clarity, predictability, and absence
> of emotional blackmail weigh more strongly in the method's
> favor, than the occasional brief unpleasantness of correction
> weighs against it." lying frosty dahl.
>
> "I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
> every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
> effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
> older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.
>
> Should I have refused to groom them?
>
> Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
> had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."
>
> Lynn K.
>
> "You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
> Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
> Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
> Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
> LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
>
> lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:
>
> "This Article Is Something We've Put Together
> For SF GSD Rescue
>
> From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
> Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
> Date: 1999/11/20
>
> ginge...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.
>
> Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.
>
> "Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
> forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
> better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
> this situation.
>
> Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
> should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
> to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
> take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that
> time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
> whatever other reward system was being used."
>
> 8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
> Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
> works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
> dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
> you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
> walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
> why you have the dog muzzled).
>
> If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
> cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
> voice and the collar.
>
> This is important - the correction must be physically
> very strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need
> to be corrected at all)."
>
> Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message
> <news:04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@TeraNews>.. .
>
> > >> Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
> > >> quotes are true.
>
> > >> In the posts below you take responsibility for
> > >> making those calls.
>
> > >> In your post above, you state you do not
> > >> make those calls.
>
> > >>Which one is it?
>
> WORDS OF WISDOM
> from our own Lynn Kosmakos
> 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day
> For Twenty Years
>
> I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT
> LITHIUM
>
> "I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-
> depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50
> mg of Zoloft every day.
>
>
> I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to
> learn more, while happily sharing pertinent
> information I have learned. But if I were ever
> to post such sh*t, I would hope that every other
> reader of this group would be rightfully outraged."
>
> "Community is an evolutionary thing that we
> earn the right to participate in by observing
> the easily understood rules and contributing
> to in constructive ways."
>
> Lynn K.
>
> ------------------------------**-----------
>
> "It wasn't that meds didn't work for her
> - she wouldn't take them. I particularly remember
> a comment she made about scarey side effects of
> Lithium. Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think
> I'm qualified to say that the very low risk of
> any side effect is far less frightening than the
> very real dangers of life without it."
>
>
> Lynn K.
> ------------------------------**-----------